Talk:East River
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Does East River not also qualify as a tidal estuary?
- Short answer: yes. -- Decumanus 02:24, 2005 Mar 18 (UTC)
Does the East River have fresh or salt water? Funnyhat 22:44, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Why don't you try it?
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- Well, I don't live nearby, so that's not too simple of a task. Funnyhat 19:35, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
So, by saying that it's a "tidal straight" ... that means that it flows both ways depending on the tide right? --Quasipalm 01:49, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the debate was no consensus. —Nightstallion (?) 08:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Name
It has been proposed below that East River be renamed and moved to East River (New York). Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~
- Oppose This is the primary usage, and mention of the East River without any futher explanation is quite common in literature; and should probably be discussed. (If it were usual to translate the name of the Chinese river there would be a better case, but the article suggests it is not. Septentrionalis 06:13, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Discussion
- Add any additional comments
At the moment, East Coast, West Coast, and Southside are all disambig pages, through plenty of references in literature would support use of those titles for the articles (or portions of articles) East Coast of the United States and even East Coast hip hop, West Coast of the United States or West Coast hip hop, and Neighborhoods_of_Chicago#South_side. East End is a disambig page. East Sea is a redirect to a dab page. Many generic names are used locally without qualifiers, such as The City or the airport, but in an encyclopedia the entry name needs to be specific. This is especially so since WP English covers subjects in the English language globally. -Acjelen 23:23, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Further evidence in support of moving this article: Downtown (a redirect to Central Business District) and Chinatown are articles about central business districts and chinatowns in general, though most instances in literature are to specific chinatowns. Upstate is a disambiguation page. -Acjelen 02:16, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
As I've also stated at Talk:North River: Would like to move, but no consensus. —Nightstallion (?) 08:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
[edit] Is it ALSO an estuary?
There clearly is a possible fresh water source for the East River - the Hudson. Fresh water can flow from the Hudson through the Harlem River to the East River. When tides are right & East River flows northward, the Hudson itself could contribute some fresh water. I think it was a mistake to flatly state there was no fresh water source - and to remove the statement about it also being an estuary. Comments?--JimWae 04:04, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Even the Hudson River is mostly salt water well north of Manhattan and the access point to the Harlem River. There is almost certainly some fresh water trickling over from the Hudson by way of the Harlem River to the East River, yet not enough (as I see it) to qualify the East River as an estuary. Even the Harlem River is defined as a strait, not an estuary, and the Harlem River was essentially man-made. The primary source of water in the East River is the tidal flow of seawater sloshing back and forth between New York Harbor and Long Island Sound. The competition, Brittanica's page for the East River defines the East River as a strait, with no mention of it being an estuary. I searched in Google and I don't see the East River defined as an estuary. Unless we can find a definitive, reliable source, I say it's a strait, not an estuary. Alansohn 04:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
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- All estuaries would be mostly salt water at high tide. Nearly all the fresh water of the Hudson must find its way into the sea, so there's a significant amount of fresh water somewhere. Some part of the Hudson itself must qualify as estuary - is that mentioned in other encyclopediae? --JimWae 05:36, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
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- Clearly the Hudson River meets every definition of an estuary, and this fact is made clear in an extensively documented paragraph in the second paragraph in the Hudson River#Geography article. I'd estimate that 99.999% of the Hudson's fresh water leaves through the Hudson itself. As the East River isn't really a true river, and as the only source of fresh water would be whatever might trickle over from the Hudson River by way of the Harlem River, I can't see defining it as an estuary. As I understand the concept of an "estuary," it has to have more than some fresh water, it has to be a river or stream that meets up with a tidal flow of salt water. Again, the East River perfectly meets the definition of a strait, and I'd say leave it as only a strait unless we can find documentation to call it an estuary. Alansohn 13:08, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Pollution
There needs to be something written about the cleaning up of the waters of this strait/estuary/river. The only info. I have is anecdotal i.e. I grew up in NY (not in "the City", though) and it was filthy then, however in 2000 I saw a guy standing on the bank at East River Park reeling in a big ol' bluefish... Ellsworth 23:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
