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[edit] spamming

you posted a message on my talk about helping to stop spamming so i found an irc to download but i dobt know how. it is mirc.please tell me how to download it.Bwyard 16:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Yep, I responed on the users talk page this one time. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 23:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why was Zoom Schwartz Profigliano edit reverted?

You reverted an edit to Zoom Schwartz Profigliano by 74.97.100.67 with this this reversion edit. While 74's edit may not have been a great addition, it didn't seem like like overt spamming, vandalism, or other negative behavior that deserves nothing more than reversion without further comment. As I think the link is interesting as it would appear to document a specific variant that I know is played elsewhere, I'm considering re-adding it. Since you didn't say why the original edit was reverted, I don't know if you had a compelling reason why it should not be present. So, why the reversion? Alan De Smet | Talk 01:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

yeah, please use it in a citation. Remember we are not a link farm. If it is a reliable source and you are able to add, with the addition of some text to the article (not just the link, use some infomation from the link and it will be fine. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 01:19, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please Explain What This Is About

Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that exist to attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam policies for further explanations of links that are considered appropriate. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. See the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 03:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

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I certainly did NOT add inappropriate links to Wikipedia, for advertising or other purposes. Perhaps you don't know who I am or what I do. I track the world's oldest people. Any link added is added because some have claimed "this claim is not verifiable" when in fact, it is, and they are simply too lazy to check it out. If you do check it out, you will find that you were mistaken. → R Young {yakłtalk} 03:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Exactly, you are adding links to websites that you are affiliated with. Please read this as was asked of you in the message, and this. Thanks!! —— Eagle (ask me for help) 04:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Native Hawaiians

May I ask why you removed the link to the Native Hawaiian Education Council on the Native Hawaiians page? I have no link to the organization, and in fact have never heard of them before, but their inclusion in the article seems inoffensive and appropriate and not in violation of any of the principles you are admirably intent on upholding. I'm not opposed to removing the link either -- I'm only asking for a reason. Aloha. Arjuna 04:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Please read this and our stuff on citations. We also have guidelines on reliable sources. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 04:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, but it doesn't really answer my question. Why specifically was this link not acceptable -- it was under "External Links", not references etc. It did not appear to be a commercial organization, but rather one with information on education issues for Native Hawaiians. Thanks. Arjuna 09:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

well, it is really easy to add a link to a site and not use it to improve wikipedia. use the link as a citation. Improve the wiki rather then just linking to websites. We are not a linkfarm. We don't need every "relevant" site linked. If it is relevant, then use it as a citation. Remember we are building a encyclopedia. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 09:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I see your point. The site in question was admittedly rather lame -- harmless and not splog, but lame nonetheless. Btw, it wasn't me who put the link up, I was just concerned that there be a good reason for removing it. I take your point, although it would be possible to take that too far (not in this case, however) -- although their use should be judicious, in many cases the External Links are quite useful. Aloha. Arjuna 09:16, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spamming Websites

Hello, I recently added link to Wiki's Goaltender section about a website that contains weekly goaltender rankings of NHL goaltenders - directly related to the goaltender section. This site uses a mathematical formula based solely on statistics to rank and stat goalies weekly. I am associated with the site, however I don't believe that this is advertising as our site receives several hits daily already and we aren't concerned about advertising. It's also a freewebs site which means we make NO money by getting hits on our websites. We basically volunteer our team every Sunday to complete a legitimate goalie rankings list for hockey fans. We feel this would benefit Wikipedia, as it provides a link to a site that has REAL information, and is also updated. There is a link provided in the "Goaltender" section that is for Hockeygoalies.org. That site is run by one guy who has devoted his time to create a comprehensive record of goaltenders to play in the NHL. This so called legitimate Wiki link, has recognized our site and provides a link to it.

As for being reliable. We use stats that have been compiled by the Official site of the NHL and put them into a formula to give a ranking. I reitterate, we are volunteers, who provide quality information on goaltenders, information that cannot be found anyone else on the web, we make no money by getting hits. Our rankings are always updated, and are legitamate and our own.

Thanks

24.109.220.45 04:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Basically if you are not interested in advertising then why are you so interested in getting this link into wikipedia? —— Eagle (ask me for help) 05:08, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Advertising is the wrong word. Advertising essentially means selling something or adding something to make money. We are volunteers, who take the time to provide an excellent resource for Goaltenders and goalie fans alike. The point I'm making is we are recognized on other sites already so we get hits, however you can never broaden your knownness enough. We are ranked at the top of the 2nd page on google, and #1 on MSN. Other goalie sites have already checked our site out and added it.

For Wikipedia, it's a win win. Wiki benefits by providing a quality link to relevant, regularly updated information, while we as volunteers get nothing in return except a good feeling knowing that we are being more widely recognized. 24.109.220.45 05:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, let me try that agian, you are promoting your website. Bare links don't help wikipedia. We need citations. What you are doing is promoting your website, free or not it fails our external link guidelines. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 05:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Just to let Wikipedia know, your guidelines are obviously faulty because this website (no matter who's it is) provides accurate, true information based on facts about goaltenders which is directly related to the goaltenders page. It's a wonder how many other legitimate websites are denied access by such silly guidelines. Promoting means nothing if you aren't making money. I've contributed a lot of information to Wikipedia, including the ENTIRE Wikipedia Ron Tugnutt page.

I'm very disapointed with Wikipedia. 24.109.220.45 05:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunatly we get a ton of spam daily. Why don't you join in at #wikipedia-spam on the freenode IRC network. (irc.freenode.org). —— Eagle (ask me for help) 05:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adding Inappropriate Links?

What inappropriate links did I add? Cdngurl83 05:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

We generally don't find a blog a reliable source. http://blog.softtechvc.com/2005/10/the_facebook_un.html . —— Eagle (ask me for help) 05:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)`
Ahhh. I was simply reverting a deletion from another user, I didn't think to check the link out. Apologies. Cdngurl83 05:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
No problem —— Eagle (ask me for help) 05:40, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] mycalcdb

Hello,

Your're are right to say to not add "spam" links, I also hate to fall to inappropriate sites :-( But I think that the links that I add have a real added value to the wiki site because they shows pictures from the described calculator. Exept error, the links are always related to pictures. As writter from the MyCalcDB site, I see that what most of people are looking for are pictures, but the first vocation from MycalcDB is an early electronic calculators database, the calculators pictures are those from my own collection. You can also see that I not doing any commercial use from my personnal site. I've nothing to sell, not a penny to earn... Please reconsider your position, and think to the visitor which will have useful pictures

Philippe —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 09:57, November 14, 2006 (talk • contribs) Mycalcdb.

Err... please read our policy on spam and our guidelines on external links. Thanks —— Eagle (ask me for help) 21:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Guided Bus

This morning I edited the Guided Bus article but it was very quickly changed back. I don't fully understand why.

It may have looked as if I'm connected in some way with the system I added information about, but I'm not. I merely visited Eindhoven last weekend and used what seemed like a marvellously efficient system. On seeing that the guided bus page of wikipedia didn't have a reference to this system I added one, including the links. The existing wikipedia page refers to magenetic guidance as a futuristic concept, but here it is in use daily on a real service (and it has been so for a couple of years). I felt this should be documented.

About the links. The first was to the manufacturer of this particular guided bus. This has various bits of information from them and is obviously commercial, but I've not found a better source of information about this system. I'll repeat that I have no connection at all with the company, I just found the implementation of this system to be interesting.

I live within half a mile of where the controversial Cambridge system mentioned in the article is to be built, but my work is in an area which couldn't be more distantly related to this subject.

The second link was to a web site of my own on which I'd put some youtube videos of the area around the bus.

I can understand how the wikipedia policy might make the second link inappropriate, and if that's the case then so be it, but surely the first should be included in an article which is trying to be authoritative about guided bus systems as should a reference to this apparently successful (and certainly impressive) system.

David. 82.6.108.251 10:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

The first link is fine, the second link (to your page) is not. Please read our external link guidelines, and our reliable source guidelines. Thanks!

[edit] IRC SPAM PROJECT IS RECRUITING

Whats up Eagle, tell me, you want want people to join the spam project, somewhere it said I need to install the irc client on my pc. What is this, advantages, disadvantages?--Walter Humala |wanna Talk? 13:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I replied on their talk page. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 21:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] help

yes could you please point out some freeware irc for me post them on my talk page pleaseBwyard 15:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Freware and links to the download pages:

[edit] links

i dont understand what the problem is. I am adding relevant information to pages as external links. The info i am adding is similar to other links on these pages yet you are not blocking them. please explain. No65560 21:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Have you read our guidelines on reliable sources? Also read this and this. Your addition of one link to over 100 articles worried me as to the intent. Bare links don't improve wikipedia. Citations do. We are not a linkfarm. If you have a problem with other links that you think should be removed, let me know. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 21:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

eagle i understand your concerns. But what i was attempting to do was direct people interested in delving deeper into chess players to helpful and very deep analytical information about these players and their games. At chessworld.net we provide this information in a searchable and codified manner unsuitable for including in the main page here. My reference to other sites was for instance chessbase.com which provides purely game information. what we do is to take this information to a deeper level of analysis. A spin off from my work on these links is that I have identified many chess players that you have listed that we do not, and vice versa. My advice to our webmaster was that I should continue and add our data to wikipedia and that your data should be provided to our masters database organiser for inclusion and research. a sentiment that I hope would sit well with Wikipedias aims.

Your comments would be welcome No65560 23:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

You may take any infomation from wikipedia that you like, as long as you use the correct copyright infomation ect. As far as you adding links to wikipeda, you probably should look at this policy. Basically what you are doing is adding a link to a site that you are affiliated with. That is a no-no on wikipedia. If your link is truly relevent, others not affiliated with your website will add it for you. Also, when they add the link, the hope would be that it would be added in a citation As far as the other links, let me know the articles that they are on, and I will go and look to make sure that they conform to our policies and guidelines. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 00:01, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I noticed this user's links and I thought that they were a great asset. One of the sources of controversy on Wikipedia are between editors who want to add stats and editors who remove stats. Here is a perfect compromise, a link to a statistical database.
OK, so he is affiliated with the web site he is linking to, but I think this is one of the times to ignore the rules. Are you volunteering to add the links? I have no enthusiasm for doing the work even though I think it is a great idea. I say let's encourage this editor.
And, speaking of ignoring the rules, you conveniently ignored the rule to not bite the newcomers when you came down all hard and heavy on this guy.
LittleOldMe 19:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Newcomer? Personally, I think someone who efficiently carpet bombs Wikipedia with hundreds of links to his site is well beyond 'newcomer' status. This is not some newbie who is trying to make a positive contribution but went wrong somehow, so let's not treat him like that. He should not be encouraged because he is only here to use Wikipedia to promote his web site. SubSeven 11:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
OK, I'm not saying that, by definition, this type of activity is not link spamming, but answer this if you can. Why were hundreds of edits, reviewed by hundreds of new page patrollers, allowed to stand untouched for over a week? Surely this is consensus that the editor was contributing positively and not spamming!
LittleOldMe 12:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
As far as his newcomer status goes, he may be an efficient editor because of his interests and activities, but as far as his experience of Wikipedia, he is a newcomer. Check his talk page and my talk page if you are in doubt.
LittleOldMe 12:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Main Page FAs

The thing is, FAs recevie a high number of edits and a lot of vandalism duirng their time on the front - that's just the way it is. But please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Semi-protection policy - you're not the first admin to have started semi-protecting main page FAs and I was concerned that I may have got policy wrong in thinking it was wrong to do so. It seems that I was probably right. In the end, I would expect semi-protection on a main page FA if it were having 250 edits over an hour, not over an entire day. But see this log for today's FA of the sort of conditions, and maximum protection length, that semi-prod can probably be justified.

In the end, all three of your protections on main page FAs over the last few days have been stopped by other admins; its just worth thinking about, is all--Robdurbar 07:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I did do the last one as it was over a short time. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 07:56, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Meeee!

Slight issues with my internet - So I can't join the chan or load the bot for about another 2 hours. Leave me a talk page message - I can get those :) --Sagaciousuk (talk) 20:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I should have myself and the bot up and running again in the next few days. I've also been in hospital the last few days - I got diagnosed with some virus which was nasty and mean and ZOMG teh crap. --Sagaciousuk (talk) 19:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blind Guardian

Hey, I'm your friendly cabal mediator, Piet Delport has for a mediator in the dispute you are having. I'm looking into the case, and if you accept me as the mediator I hope to see you on the talk page. - Francis Tyers · 15:15, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion about links to ChessWorld.net at WikiProject Chess

Hi, I started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chess#Links to chessworld.net - you are welcomed to contribute. Greetings, --Ioannes Pragensis 17:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks
Thank you for the Support and offer of nom

I'd like to express my huge thanks to you, Eagle 101, for your support in my recent RfA, which closed with 100% support at 71/0/1 (and my apologies, for not telling you about it earlier (ie - for not being on IRC :P)). Needless to say, I am very suprised at the huge levels of support I've seen on my RfA, and at the fact that I only had give three answers, unlike many other nominees who have had many, many more questions! I'll be careful with my use of the tools, and invite you to tell me off if I do something wrong! Thanks, Martinp23 14:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] links 1234

OK, I got the message, I didn't think that I was spamming. I Added a link as a reference to a web page of a book that deals with the Temple Mount on a few pages here tat deal with the same issue. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Theknowledgeable (talk • contribs) 17:42, November 18, 2006 (UTC)

Yah, that is fine if you do it to one page, not to 20. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 19:40, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

OK Eagle,

I see you removed not only my links but also my post about KOMP (the Knock Out Mouse Project). So you feel that Wikipedia should not have an entry about this project? On what consideration did you base your editorial decision?

Dear Eagle,

I request you restore my post about the Knock Out Mouse Project what I created under KOMP.

If you read my post you may have noticed that the project is a government-funded project of a consortium of universities and not-for-profit organizations. Therefore, no marketing campaign is to blame. The only external link, I used is komp.org that is a placeholder for the website that is under development. All the other links are internal to Wikipedia from pages like knockout, transgenic mice, mutation, etc.

If you don't restore my post, I will request mediation. I find your haphazard response to remove my post irresponsible.

Sincerely,

07:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)07:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)Kdawson66 07:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)Kevin

Ok, have you seen this?. Also please read on how nobody owns anything on wikipedia. If the project can prove that it is important to an enclyclopedia. I will be glad to restore. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 21:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

The da Vinci Barnstar
For your great and hard work with WDM and the spam channel - keep it up! Martinp23 07:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please do not bite the newcomers

May I suggest that you use {{Welcomespam}} or {{Spam (good faith)}} instead of {{spam1}} for newcomers.

Thanks

LittleOldMe 13:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Errm... I think {{spam1}} is actually quite nice... —— Eagle (ask me for help) 21:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcoming committee

I was wondering if you at wikipedia have a welcoming committee. If so how can i join please get back to me!The Dwarf_King 14:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes we do, it can be found here. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 21:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually the page is here GeorgeMoney (talk) 04:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Not sure about this...

Hi there. As a top spambuster, could you maybe advise me on a bit of policy? I'd like to clarify whether the following is evil spamming or a helpful addition to Wikipedia. All of Kidamprod's edits have been to add links to short documentary videos made by an entity named Kidam Productions (from their website: "a production film company based in Paris producing documentaries, short films, and music videos essentially dedicated to music and live performances"). Also, anon user 82.224.28.142 has added a couple more. I've not watched them all (just the Jeff Lewis one) but these videos are likely to be relevant to the articles and if I'd happened on them I may or may not have added them as external links myself. So what is the way to proceed? Keep the links as good additions to the articles or punish the spammer by removing them? --Spondoolicks 11:22, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Advertising..help with content please...

hiya...

Just got your message about advertising for promotional things...

Not advertising but sharing information and resources...how can I word the link so that it is acceptable to the Wiki policy? Latin America has pioneers in fund raising in this field and I think that they ought to be mentioned, but i´m not sure i´m using the right words...

Help! Thanks Jude —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jude in buenosaires (talk • contribs) 05:31, November 27, 2006 (UTC)

Why don't you read our policies and guidelines first. Try our guidelines on external links and our policy on spam links. Remember wikipedia is an encyclopedia. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 05:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I have read it I promise! That´s why i´m asking for help :( I want to do this the right way, my motivation is to share information and resources...could you explain to me instead of showing me links that i´ve read but obviously don´t understand?! Sorry...

Ok This will be blunt then. See WP:SPAM wikipedia is NOT for Advertising no matter how it is worded so stop. Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 05:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

OK. So Operation Smile have a wikipedia article. They are a charity. AestheticArgentina do the same thing but in Latin America. What is the difference out of interest? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jude in buenosaires (talk • contribs) 05:44, November 27, 2006 (UTC)

um, here you are adding links to mulitple pages (over 9 or so). —— Eagle (ask me for help) 05:46, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I thought it was relevant.

Is there one page it can be added to? I suppose the best fit would be non profit, or plastic surgery or something? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jude in buenosaires (talk • contribs) 05:47, November 27, 2006 (UTC)

No, we are not a linkfarm. perhaps think about creating an article? (that is if the organization is notable enough). No promises if the article is kept or not. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 05:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, thats really helpful, thank you. I´ll see if I can work out how to make an article, they are most certainly notable in my part of the world (buenos aires) but I would doubt that means much to you guys.

Thanks anyway.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jude in buenosaires (talk • contribs) 05:51, November 27, 2006 (UTC)

You are welcome. A proper article is far better (if notable) then links all over wikipedia. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 05:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Then create a page for this group, dont spread spam links Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 05:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok...if you can just be a complete sweetheart and give me one of those links to "making an article" I promise to never contact you with annoying questions ever again :)

Feel free to ask me any time! Here are some links.

Hope that helps —— Eagle (ask me for help) 06:05, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


Yes! You are the best. Now please add me to messenger one_nil_to_the_arsenal@hotmail.com because I am sure I will not be able to do it by myself and I hate this way of talking to you! ;))

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