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[edit] Wiki with sources

Hello there! I follow your advice and started to look around several libraries regarding the sources for the articles in question (that is, the Ecuadorian Peruvian dispute). There are some that are available on English, but some are not. What should I do? I can't translate them. Do I still consider them as reliable sources? Thanks! Messhermit 14:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Messhermit's Talk Page

Yeah, I was planning to do that but I barely know how. As you can see, the only thing that I have actually modified was my profile. Messhermit 23:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiVoter beta available?

An chance the WikiVoter beta is available? Thanks - Williamborg (Bill) 22:18, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

YOU REPLIED: Note, you are required to have 250 mainspace edits. (I can't bypass this as it is in the code) —— Eagle (ask me for help) 23:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Probably not a problem. Williamborg as researched with Interiot's Edit Count Tool a couple of weeks back shows:
Username        Williamborg
Total edits     5543
Distinct pages edited   1370
Average edits/page      4.046
First edit      20:56, 27 March 2005
        
(main)  4092
Talk    297
User    330
User talk       513
Image   42
Template        18
Category        155
Category talk   4
Wikipedia       69 (and rising as this is my recent focus)
Wikipedia talk  23 (and rising as this is my recent focus)
YOU REPLIED:I can e-mail you a version of it in a few days, but before doing so I would like to speak to you on IRC. (has not been released even for testing). Also as it is new software, I would appreciate it if you would report any bugs/features that are missing or need changed. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 22:59, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Bug reports understood. As to IRC, I Wiki from an employers computer—IRC not allowed for security reasons. Perhaps email (mine's active)? Williamborg (Bill) 23:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


Well in the lack of an IRC... I had a few questions.

  1. Please tell me how you ran into WikiVoter, as I have not advertised it anywhere.
  2. Do you do AfD's often? (these are the people I want to test it...)
  3. What is your OS (operating system)?
  4. What version of IE do you have?
  5. You do have cookies enabled right?
  6. Have you ever used AWB? (I have a reason for asking this :)

That should start :) —— Eagle (ask me for help) 23:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Answers below:
  • Please tell me how you ran into WikiVoter, as I have not advertised it anywhere.
Response: I just recently took up AfD's. After doing if for a while I realized I went through the same steps time after time and thought there must be a better way. Went hunting around to find one. Found your page.
  • Do you do AfD's often? (these are the people I want to test it...)
Response: Didn't until I was asked to stand for Administrator and failed almost as miserably as anyone ever did. Decided I ought to figure out Wiki-policy. The only way to really understand things is to get involved in it. So recently I've lived in AfD and similar such.
  • What is your OS (operating system)?
Response: Microsoft XP Version 5.1 with Service Pack 2
  • What version of IE do you have?
Response: Version 6.0.2900.2180
  • You do have cookies enabled right?
Response: Can enable or disable as appropriate for the application. Currently enabled.
  • Have you ever used AWB? (I have a reason for asking this :)
Response: Nope. Thought about AWB once, but most of what I’ve done while editing is more content oriented (I do a fair amount of translation).
You didn't ask about computer proficiency directly. Hardly great. I'm a physicist by education, but my son's degrees are in computer science and when I get stumped (more often than I like to admit) I call him.
Cheers - Williamborg (Bill) 23:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Ok, then before you can use....

responses in small type

  1. Regarding the last question, about AWB... you are going to need to follow the installation proceedure for AWB (don't have to download it, but the .NET framework is critical) Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser#Using this software, look in the second section (called download).
  2. No, the questions were not to computer know-how, but to whether or not your computer will work.
  3. Regarding you as an experianced AfD person. I have a few questions.
  1. when a AfD is opened, does the nominator's opinion count to the final tally (yes I know it is a disscussion, but part of WikiVoter is a statistics module.) Any advice here is welcome!Yes, I think the nominator's vote must count. I do find it irritating that some folks nominate but don't explain why & would prefer not to ocunt them, but it seems only fair. That said, I don't think the Admin who reviews it should consider it a straight vote, but should consider the merits of the discussions/arguments.
  2. is Query a valid response, (seen several), should the statistics module look for this and like statements? Queries are certainly some of the more important portions of the discussion, so yes, it is useful to look for them in the statistics.
  3. bullet points are the proper way to put your opinion right?I like bullets.

I have more, but that should do, (if at all possible, let me know if you are able to get onto IRC from home... have a few more questions like the above (about AfD in general)

Also one heads up, the program will randomly check to make sure that you are logged in under the same username (if not it will recount your edits as if you were opening up the program). This is to make violating WP:SOCK harder. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 00:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC) Not a problem. Ran on an IP for my first hundred edits, but have had one name since. You don't get to this number of edits while working full time and running sock puppets besides. Plus I've been lucky to avoid major wars; all mine seem to resolve with simple discussion that doesn't require dirty tricks.

Also you said you were a physicist, as in physics? This is my intended major... (along with mathematics...)That's the right combination. My undergraduate degrees were physics and math. . So I have to ask... what do you do as a physicist, what do you study? Is really interested —— Eagle (ask me for help) 00:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC)Did my graduate work in nuclear physics. Wound up using the technical skills for only a few years. Mostly been a technology development manager; no research since almost forever. Think it was a good direction for me; you still get to do lots of interesting work, even if you don't do physics research.

Headed out for the evening. Mañana - Williamborg (Bill) 00:54, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

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For going that extra mile to help others including myself. -- SynergeticMaggot 06:31, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] WikiVoter

I'd like to give this a whirl if you're willing. I've alphatested things before and bugs and missing bits don't scare me. I have AWB installed already so presumably have the right .net framework. Heard about it on IRC, in the admin channel (I'm an admin on en: so I think I've the edit count bit sussed :) ). Thanks! ++Lar: t/c 11:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Books list for WP:BOOKS (remember?)

It's a nice list at: Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/NovelsInCompleteInfobox. If You would have time to make one for the WP:BOOKS project too (would be nice). What information do You need? feydey 20:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Let's start with exactly the same sorting, BUT the infobox "genre =" field must have "Non-fiction" filled in, i.e. we want to get Non-fiction book articles with infoboxes (with missing info). Put them to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Books/InCompleteInfobox. Is that doable? feydey 21:08, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Yep, "Genre = non-fiction" as in 1776 (book). feydey 21:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Just work with WikiVoter, so no hurry with this list. Just to clarify, if "Genre = anything else than non-fiction" then the article is not listed. feydey 21:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I hope this helps:
  • if genre = (nothing) it is incomplete / No Action
  • if genre = (non fiction) then it is complete (for that field) / process the article and check if the infobox has problems with other fields then list those to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Books/InCompleteInfobox
  • if genre = (something else) it is complete... / No Action
Best, feydey 21:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiVoter

It looks interesting. Can I try it? If you'd like, you can add the cat to my userpage, or I'll add it once you accept me. (Hope I meet your minimums ;)) Regards, alphaChimp laudare 05:05, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

You don't have email enabled. alphaChimp laudare 06:43, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi from Novels

All the autolists within the Novels WikiProject have been worked on in their current form for sometime. I think a refresh (using currect criteria) would be useful.

Also being the end of July we have a new newsletter due for August - would you like to add anything in the autolist section. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Novels/Outreach/Newsletter_August_2006 thanks. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 14:35, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Novels WikiProject Newsletter August 2006

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[edit] Wikivoter

Hey there. I am a Vandal Proof user and while doing some WP:AFD voting yesterday, I noticed that User:Mboverload was using this program. I was wondering if I might be able to use it as well; you can see my activity in WP:AFD here. Let me know. Cheers! -- moe.RON talk | done | doing 22:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] vandalproof

you told me to post at the vandalproof discussion however nobody helped me. I was wondering if you could. I cannot log into vandalproof since I switched my username from Patbaseball2221 to Wikipediarules2221. Thanks a lot. Wikipediarules2221 23:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Novels autolists

Did we get the existing lists re-run with existing criteria. You did say they would be done, thanks. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 07:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:BOOKS and WP:NOVELS joint list?

I'm quite happy with this idea. You might like to float it more generally to the project on the either the General Forum page or on a particular autolist talk page. It would depend for success on the clarity of purpose and a clear indication in the list for which item was which. That in itself might get difficult to achieve. I have no object, but it may not prove too practical. Happy to see something mocked up and open for comment for format and usefulness. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 07:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with all Kevin's comments. Still I also echo the "it may not prove too practical" comment. feydey 11:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
By joint, I mean that I would simply put all the results in one group. Then the two projects can work togather to fix all of them. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 18:12, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bob Hirschfeld

Hi Eagle--You offered help, but just referred me to new user posting, which I've read and complied with. If you read the article I don't think you'd find it violates any intent or Wiki concept. I'd love to hear more justification. Many thanks. Bobhirschfeld 23:19, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia!!!

Hello Eagle 101, and welcome to Wikipedia! Here are some recommended guidelines to help you get involved. Please feel free to contact me if you need help with anything. Best of luck and happy editing! JD[don't talk|email] 04:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Getting started
Getting your info out there
Getting more Wikipedia rules
Getting help
Getting along
Getting technical


[edit] what does the "edit" button do?

as above. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 05:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Er, I think that's how you do the vandalisationing thing that people seem to come here for. Maybe that? --JD[don't talk|email] 05:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
funny... new word too!. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 05:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Yay I'm funny :D --JD[don't talk|email] 05:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VandalProof Application

Hi.. My application for VandalProof usage has been deleted without any confirmation for the second time now. I've noticed this was done by you, and just wanted to ask about what's happening. While I'm aware that I lack the 250 mainspace edits I'm not exactly new on Wikipedia either, and anyway I think I'd be notified of any disapproval. Take care --Xasf 09:03, 7 August 2006 (GMT+3)

[edit] Re: Help response

...I feel like I've bugged the admins too much so far and I'm getting really annoying, but here goes: I was trying to upload a file on Wikipedia Commons (I think it's called that), but it says I'm not logged in, and when I try to log in, it says there is no account under my name. Is this a glitch, or am I doing something wrong? TMNT Donatello 20:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)TMNT Donatello

Ok, thank you very much. TMNT Donatello 21:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)TMNT Donatello

[edit] Re: Stubsorting Barnstar

Aw, thanks. :) I guess I have done quite a few, heh. Thanks for generating these giantesque lists. Luna Santin 02:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] VandalProof login issue

Hi Eagle 101.

for some odd reason VandalProof will not log me in. I get Your log in reguest failed. Ive entered my username in right and I'm logged in. Any idea what the issue maybe? -- RobertM 07:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] youtube

um yea it shoud not have been reverted, have you checked youtube.com today? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.107.1.220 (talk • contribs).

Pointing out links with extreme POV and correction factual errors are not vandalism. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.107.1.220 (talk • contribs).

You are correct, I made a mistake due to testing a new version of VandalProof. I am sorry, and I apologize for my mistake. What happend was the program disconnected me immediatly before I clicked the revert button for the prior edit. When it reconnected it loaded your diff and and reverted you. For some reason I did not catch it do that until I looked at my history. I made a mistake, I am sorry. But please do check WP:CITE and WP:V. thanks. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 07:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
it's ok. the rules here are too strict. my edit can be considered a speculation (although I'm pretty sure, there was never such a large video on main page). time will tell and others will add it when there's no doubt about it. --Copy response from talk page of User talk:85.107.1.220. diff from 85.107.1.220] —— Eagle (ask me for help) 08:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject AfD closing/subpages

You recently created a few pages, WikiProject AfD closing/subpage1, WikiProject AfD closing/subpage2, WikiProject AfD closing/subpage3, WikiProject AfD closing/subpage4. My guess is that these were not intended to go in the main namespace? I'm just not sure where they should go or how to get them there. eaolson 23:35, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

  • OK, so just to be clear, you intended to create these in Wikipedia, and not under WikiProject:AfD closing? eaolson 23:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
  • No problem. Colons. So tiny, yet so powerful. :-) eaolson 23:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually. I created it. I'll fix them and put them into the proper namespace in a second, if you didnt already. SynergeticMaggot 23:54, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Not just colons mate - but wikipedia:'s. I have moved them (same as any of those above should have done instead of talking about it). -- RHaworth 23:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for being nice about it. SynergeticMaggot 23:57, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
SynergeticMaggot was trying to move them... but you got there first. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 23:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Hello!

Thank you for participating in my RfA! Unfortunately, it ended with a final result of (32/31/5) which no consensus was achieved. Nevertheless, I'd like to thank you again for your support and to keep an eye out for me within the next 3 months. Also, please be so kind as to drop by my suggestions page for my next RfA :) SynergeticMaggot 21:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Isometry group

I edited the introduction to the article on isometric group. The definition was not clear . Saying that it is the 'set of all isometries with function composion as group operation' dosent specify the spaces between which we are establishing the isomorphism. In general isometry is a distance-preserving isomorphism between any 2 metric spaces but isometry group refers only to maps from the space onto itself. And that is precisely what I edited. I removed the part specifying that function composition acts as the group operation becuase that follows from the definition of isometry. It is absolutely needless to mention what the identity element of the group is.Besides, it never makes any sense with the current definition in place , i.e not mentioning the spaces between which we are considering the isometry.

I responded to this. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 04:24, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Two for you

For you good job! Æon Insane Ward 17:23, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
For your reverting of Vandalism, Personal Attacks and othe rthings Vandals reosrt to I Aeon present you Eagle 101 with this Barnstar Æon Insane Ward 17:23, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


I Aeon present you with the Purple Barnstar for having your userpage wounded by enemy (vandals) fire. Æon Insane Ward 17:23, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I Aeon present you with the Purple Barnstar for having your userpage wounded by enemy (vandals) fire. Æon Insane Ward 17:23, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Archives

I archive 4 days after last post.
Period Archive Link
Old stuff old stuff
March 2006 March 2006
April 2006 April 2006
May 2006 May 2006
June 2006 June 2006
July 2006 July 2006
August 2006 August 2006

[edit] Thanks for the offer :)

—— Eagle (ask me for help) : SPEAKING I appreciate your willingness to help test and find new features for WikiVoter (WV). Of course I am willing to let you test!

  1. if AWB will work, my program should work as well.
  2. WV will check that you are eligable when you start the program. (no moderators) :)
  3. What you do need to do is put {{user WikiVoter}} on your userpage. (or you can just put the category Category:Wikipedians using WikiVoter on your user page. either will do. (the program checks for this... similar to a signup list... just so I and admins know who is using this. (also makes WP:SOCK violations harder).
  4. Find me on IRC. I need you to send an e-mail to a e-mail address (so I can send you the program--- the e-mail is different from my e-mail for wikipedia) IRC nick is Eagle_101.

That should be all, once I get a stable version I will put it up for anyone to download! Have fun picking up the pieces when the program blows up! (attempt at a joke here!). Cheers! —— Eagle (ask me for help) 20:39, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

OK... I have put the category Category:Wikipedians using WikiVoter on my user page. I am usually on IRC in the admin channel as well as other, user Lar or Lar|(something) .. or you can send me the address you want me to use by using my mail link. I look forward to giving this a whirl. Does it tell you WHEN people voted? the first oppose vote a lot of the times when a thing goes down suggests influence more than a pile on oppose... I have this page on my watch so we can just continue here. ++Lar: t/c 21:53, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] copyright question

I have copy and pasted a whole text to post on my Wikipedia page. The information is all from my own website. I have all rights to the material on my website but my Wikipedia post was deleted. How would I go about licensing my document under GNU?Thanks Food Safety Network 19:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Please look at this help page —— Eagle (ask me for help) 19:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Trivia in Wikipedia

Hi Eagle101, I'm not sure which page you're referring to - please let me know. I argue that trivia sections in Wikipedia are contrary to Wikipedia policies. Here is the post to the Village Pump policy page I did recently: Articles on films, television shows, and celebrities often have a section at the end called "TRIVIA", in which editors list unimportant, obscure details related (sometimes distantly) to the topic. For example, in the Bill Clinton (former US president) article, there are 22 bullets of trivia, including information that he had "a male chocolate-colored Labrador Retriever named "Buddy" and a cat named "Socks"", that a television ad once depicted "Clinton and a voodoo doll", and that he makes a "thumb gesture". It can be argued that the inclusion of trivia goes against the core Wikipedia principles. Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia, "not an indiscriminate collection of information", "not a collection of ...trivia" or "A DUMPING GROUND FOR RANDOM INFORMATION" (all quotations from Wikipedia principles or policy pages, but emphasis added by editor). As well, Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy requires editors to cite "... verifiable, authoritative sources whenever possible"; the policy pages state that "WIKIPEDIA IS NOT FOR UNCITABLE MATERIAL". It can be argued that trivia-type information often is not derived from authoritative sources (e.g., other encyclopedias, almanacs, respected publications, etc.). ....Normally I move trivia to the talk page, where it can be discussed - perhaps I made an error in this case.

Oops...forgot to sign last postNatMor 15:56, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Kim Hill

I moved the misplaced material on the other Kim Hill to her father's article, where I though it makes more sense to put it (see Fred Hill).--BillFlis 20:03, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Dear Moron

Dear Moron, please do not revert my edits that are clearly not nonsense. Did you even read the changes I made? I changed *** to ass. That's not nonsense buddy.74.132.119.197 20:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Wow. Warned for WP:NPA. alphaChimp laudare 01:40, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki with sources

Hello there! I follow your advice and started to look around several libraries regarding the sources for the articles in question (that is, the Ecuadorian Peruvian dispute). There are some that are available on English, but some are not. What should I do? I can't translate them. Do I still consider them as reliable sources? Thanks! Messhermit 14:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Messhermit's Talk Page

Yeah, I was planning to do that but I barely know how. As you can see, the only thing that I have actually modified was my profile. Messhermit 23:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiVoter beta available?

An chance the WikiVoter beta is available? Thanks - Williamborg (Bill) 22:18, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

YOU REPLIED: Note, you are required to have 250 mainspace edits. (I can't bypass this as it is in the code) —— Eagle (ask me for help) 23:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Probably not a problem. Williamborg as researched with Interiot's Edit Count Tool a couple of weeks back shows:
Username        Williamborg
Total edits     5543
Distinct pages edited   1370
Average edits/page      4.046
First edit      20:56, 27 March 2005
        
(main)  4092
Talk    297
User    330
User talk       513
Image   42
Template        18
Category        155
Category talk   4
Wikipedia       69 (and rising as this is my recent focus)
Wikipedia talk  23 (and rising as this is my recent focus)
YOU REPLIED:I can e-mail you a version of it in a few days, but before doing so I would like to speak to you on IRC. (has not been released even for testing). Also as it is new software, I would appreciate it if you would report any bugs/features that are missing or need changed. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 22:59, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Bug reports understood. As to IRC, I Wiki from an employers computer—IRC not allowed for security reasons. Perhaps email (mine's active)? Williamborg (Bill) 23:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


Well in the lack of an IRC... I had a few questions.

  1. Please tell me how you ran into WikiVoter, as I have not advertised it anywhere.
  2. Do you do AfD's often? (these are the people I want to test it...)
  3. What is your OS (operating system)?
  4. What version of IE do you have?
  5. You do have cookies enabled right?
  6. Have you ever used AWB? (I have a reason for asking this :)

That should start :) —— Eagle (ask me for help) 23:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Answers below:
  • Please tell me how you ran into WikiVoter, as I have not advertised it anywhere.
Response: I just recently took up AfD's. After doing if for a while I realized I went through the same steps time after time and thought there must be a better way. Went hunting around to find one. Found your page.
  • Do you do AfD's often? (these are the people I want to test it...)
Response: Didn't until I was asked to stand for Administrator and failed almost as miserably as anyone ever did. Decided I ought to figure out Wiki-policy. The only way to really understand things is to get involved in it. So recently I've lived in AfD and similar such.
  • What is your OS (operating system)?
Response: Microsoft XP Version 5.1 with Service Pack 2
  • What version of IE do you have?
Response: Version 6.0.2900.2180
  • You do have cookies enabled right?
Response: Can enable or disable as appropriate for the application. Currently enabled.
  • Have you ever used AWB? (I have a reason for asking this :)
Response: Nope. Thought about AWB once, but most of what I’ve done while editing is more content oriented (I do a fair amount of translation).
You didn't ask about computer proficiency directly. Hardly great. I'm a physicist by education, but my son's degrees are in computer science and when I get stumped (more often than I like to admit) I call him.
Cheers - Williamborg (Bill) 23:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Ok, then before you can use....

responses in small type

  1. Regarding the last question, about AWB... you are going to need to follow the installation proceedure for AWB (don't have to download it, but the .NET framework is critical) Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser#Using this software, look in the second section (called download).
  2. No, the questions were not to computer know-how, but to whether or not your computer will work.
  3. Regarding you as an experianced AfD person. I have a few questions.
  1. when a AfD is opened, does the nominator's opinion count to the final tally (yes I know it is a disscussion, but part of WikiVoter is a statistics module.) Any advice here is welcome!Yes, I think the nominator's vote must count. I do find it irritating that some folks nominate but don't explain why & would prefer not to ocunt them, but it seems only fair. That said, I don't think the Admin who reviews it should consider it a straight vote, but should consider the merits of the discussions/arguments.
  2. is Query a valid response, (seen several), should the statistics module look for this and like statements? Queries are certainly some of the more important portions of the discussion, so yes, it is useful to look for them in the statistics.
  3. bullet points are the proper way to put your opinion right?I like bullets.

I have more, but that should do, (if at all possible, let me know if you are able to get onto IRC from home... have a few more questions like the above (about AfD in general)

Also one heads up, the program will randomly check to make sure that you are logged in under the same username (if not it will recount your edits as if you were opening up the program). This is to make violating WP:SOCK harder. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 00:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC) Not a problem. Ran on an IP for my first hundred edits, but have had one name since. You don't get to this number of edits while working full time and running sock puppets besides. Plus I've been lucky to avoid major wars; all mine seem to resolve with simple discussion that doesn't require dirty tricks.

Also you said you were a physicist, as in physics? This is my intended major... (along with mathematics...)That's the right combination. My undergraduate degrees were physics and math. . So I have to ask... what do you do as a physicist, what do you study? Is really interested —— Eagle (ask me for help) 00:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC)Did my graduate work in nuclear physics. Wound up using the technical skills for only a few years. Mostly been a technology development manager; no research since almost forever. Think it was a good direction for me; you still get to do lots of interesting work, even if you don't do physics research.

Headed out for the evening. Mañana - Williamborg (Bill) 00:54, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] WikiVoter

I'd like to give this a whirl if you're willing. I've alphatested things before and bugs and missing bits don't scare me. I have AWB installed already so presumably have the right .net framework. Heard about it on IRC, in the admin channel (I'm an admin on en: so I think I've the edit count bit sussed :) ). Thanks! ++Lar: t/c 11:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Books list for WP:BOOKS (remember?)

It's a nice list at: Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/NovelsInCompleteInfobox. If You would have time to make one for the WP:BOOKS project too (would be nice). What information do You need? feydey 20:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Let's start with exactly the same sorting, BUT the infobox "genre =" field must have "Non-fiction" filled in, i.e. we want to get Non-fiction book articles with infoboxes (with missing info). Put them to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Books/InCompleteInfobox. Is that doable? feydey 21:08, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Yep, "Genre = non-fiction" as in 1776 (book). feydey 21:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Just work with WikiVoter, so no hurry with this list. Just to clarify, if "Genre = anything else than non-fiction" then the article is not listed. feydey 21:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I hope this helps:
  • if genre = (nothing) it is incomplete / No Action
  • if genre = (non fiction) then it is complete (for that field) / process the article and check if the infobox has problems with other fields then list those to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Books/InCompleteInfobox
  • if genre = (something else) it is complete... / No Action
Best, feydey 21:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiVoter

It looks interesting. Can I try it? If you'd like, you can add the cat to my userpage, or I'll add it once you accept me. (Hope I meet your minimums ;)) Regards, alphaChimp laudare 05:05, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

You don't have email enabled. alphaChimp laudare 06:43, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi from Novels

All the autolists within the Novels WikiProject have been worked on in their current form for sometime. I think a refresh (using currect criteria) would be useful.

Also being the end of July we have a new newsletter due for August - would you like to add anything in the autolist section. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Novels/Outreach/Newsletter_August_2006 thanks. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 14:35, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Wikivoter

Hey there. I am a Vandal Proof user and while doing some WP:AFD voting yesterday, I noticed that User:Mboverload was using this program. I was wondering if I might be able to use it as well; you can see my activity in WP:AFD here. Let me know. Cheers! -- moe.RON talk | done | doing 22:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] vandalproof

you told me to post at the vandalproof discussion however nobody helped me. I was wondering if you could. I cannot log into vandalproof since I switched my username from Patbaseball2221 to Wikipediarules2221. Thanks a lot. Wikipediarules2221 23:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Novels autolists

Did we get the existing lists re-run with existing criteria. You did say they would be done, thanks. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 07:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:BOOKS and WP:NOVELS joint list?

I'm quite happy with this idea. You might like to float it more generally to the project on the either the General Forum page or on a particular autolist talk page. It would depend for success on the clarity of purpose and a clear indication in the list for which item was which. That in itself might get difficult to achieve. I have no object, but it may not prove too practical. Happy to see something mocked up and open for comment for format and usefulness. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 07:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with all Kevin's comments. Still I also echo the "it may not prove too practical" comment. feydey 11:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
By joint, I mean that I would simply put all the results in one group. Then the two projects can work togather to fix all of them. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 18:12, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bob Hirschfeld

Hi Eagle--You offered help, but just referred me to new user posting, which I've read and complied with. If you read the article I don't think you'd find it violates any intent or Wiki concept. I'd love to hear more justification. Many thanks. Bobhirschfeld 23:19, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia!!!

Hello Eagle 101, and welcome to Wikipedia! Here are some recommended guidelines to help you get involved. Please feel free to contact me if you need help with anything. Best of luck and happy editing! JD[don't talk|email] 04:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] what does the "edit" button do?

as above. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 05:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Er, I think that's how you do the vandalisationing thing that people seem to come here for. Maybe that? --JD[don't talk|email] 05:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
funny... new word too!. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 05:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Yay I'm funny :D --JD[don't talk|email] 05:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VandalProof Application

Hi.. My application for VandalProof usage has been deleted without any confirmation for the second time now. I've noticed this was done by you, and just wanted to ask about what's happening. While I'm aware that I lack the 250 mainspace edits I'm not exactly new on Wikipedia either, and anyway I think I'd be notified of any disapproval. Take care --Xasf 09:03, 7 August 2006 (GMT+3)

[edit] Re: Help response

...I feel like I've bugged the admins too much so far and I'm getting really annoying, but here goes: I was trying to upload a file on Wikipedia Commons (I think it's called that), but it says I'm not logged in, and when I try to log in, it says there is no account under my name. Is this a glitch, or am I doing something wrong? TMNT Donatello 20:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)TMNT Donatello

Ok, thank you very much. TMNT Donatello 21:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)TMNT Donatello

[edit] Re: Stubsorting Barnstar

Aw, thanks. :) I guess I have done quite a few, heh. Thanks for generating these giantesque lists. Luna Santin 02:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] VandalProof login issue

Hi Eagle 101.

for some odd reason VandalProof will not log me in. I get Your log in reguest failed. Ive entered my username in right and I'm logged in. Any idea what the issue maybe? -- RobertM 07:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] youtube

um yea it shoud not have been reverted, have you checked youtube.com today? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.107.1.220 (talk • contribs).

Pointing out links with extreme POV and correction factual errors are not vandalism. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.107.1.220 (talk • contribs).

You are correct, I made a mistake due to testing a new version of VandalProof. I am sorry, and I apologize for my mistake. What happend was the program disconnected me immediatly before I clicked the revert button for the prior edit. When it reconnected it loaded your diff and and reverted you. For some reason I did not catch it do that until I looked at my history. I made a mistake, I am sorry. But please do check WP:CITE and WP:V. thanks. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 07:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
it's ok. the rules here are too strict. my edit can be considered a speculation (although I'm pretty sure, there was never such a large video on main page). time will tell and others will add it when there's no doubt about it. --Copy response from talk page of User talk:85.107.1.220. diff from 85.107.1.220] —— Eagle (ask me for help) 08:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject AfD closing/subpages

You recently created a few pages, WikiProject AfD closing/subpage1, WikiProject AfD closing/subpage2, WikiProject AfD closing/subpage3, WikiProject AfD closing/subpage4. My guess is that these were not intended to go in the main namespace? I'm just not sure where they should go or how to get them there. eaolson 23:35, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

  • OK, so just to be clear, you intended to create these in Wikipedia, and not under WikiProject:AfD closing? eaolson 23:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
  • No problem. Colons. So tiny, yet so powerful. :-) eaolson 23:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually. I created it. I'll fix them and put them into the proper namespace in a second, if you didnt already. SynergeticMaggot 23:54, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Not just colons mate - but wikipedia:'s. I have moved them (same as any of those above should have done instead of talking about it). -- RHaworth 23:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for being nice about it. SynergeticMaggot 23:57, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
SynergeticMaggot was trying to move them... but you got there first. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 23:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Hello!

Thank you for participating in my RfA! Unfortunately, it ended with a final result of (32/31/5) which no consensus was achieved. Nevertheless, I'd like to thank you again for your support and to keep an eye out for me within the next 3 months. Also, please be so kind as to drop by my suggestions page for my next RfA :) SynergeticMaggot 21:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Isometry group

I edited the introduction to the article on isometric group. The definition was not clear . Saying that it is the 'set of all isometries with function composion as group operation' dosent specify the spaces between which we are establishing the isomorphism. In general isometry is a distance-preserving isomorphism between any 2 metric spaces but isometry group refers only to maps from the space onto itself. And that is precisely what I edited. I removed the part specifying that function composition acts as the group operation becuase that follows from the definition of isometry. It is absolutely needless to mention what the identity element of the group is.Besides, it never makes any sense with the current definition in place , i.e not mentioning the spaces between which we are considering the isometry.

I responded to this. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 04:24, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

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For you good job! Æon Insane Ward 17:23, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

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I Aeon present you with the Purple Barnstar for having your userpage wounded by enemy (vandals) fire. Æon Insane Ward 17:23, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Thanks for the offer :)

—— Eagle (ask me for help) : SPEAKING I appreciate your willingness to help test and find new features for WikiVoter (WV). Of course I am willing to let you test!

  1. if AWB will work, my program should work as well.
  2. WV will check that you are eligable when you start the program. (no moderators) :)
  3. What you do need to do is put {{user WikiVoter}} on your userpage. (or you can just put the category Category:Wikipedians using WikiVoter on your user page. either will do. (the program checks for this... similar to a signup list... just so I and admins know who is using this. (also makes WP:SOCK violations harder).
  4. Find me on IRC. I need you to send an e-mail to a e-mail address (so I can send you the program--- the e-mail is different from my e-mail for wikipedia) IRC nick is Eagle_101.

That should be all, once I get a stable version I will put it up for anyone to download! Have fun picking up the pieces when the program blows up! (attempt at a joke here!). Cheers! —— Eagle (ask me for help) 20:39, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

OK... I have put the category Category:Wikipedians using WikiVoter on my user page. I am usually on IRC in the admin channel as well as other, user Lar or Lar|(something) .. or you can send me the address you want me to use by using my mail link. I look forward to giving this a whirl. Does it tell you WHEN people voted? the first oppose vote a lot of the times when a thing goes down suggests influence more than a pile on oppose... I have this page on my watch so we can just continue here. ++Lar: t/c 21:53, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] copyright question

I have copy and pasted a whole text to post on my Wikipedia page. The information is all from my own website. I have all rights to the material on my website but my Wikipedia post was deleted. How would I go about licensing my document under GNU?Thanks Food Safety Network 19:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Please look at this help page —— Eagle (ask me for help) 19:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Trivia in Wikipedia

Hi Eagle101, I'm not sure which page you're referring to - please let me know. I argue that trivia sections in Wikipedia are contrary to Wikipedia policies. Here is the post to the Village Pump policy page I did recently: Articles on films, television shows, and celebrities often have a section at the end called "TRIVIA", in which editors list unimportant, obscure details related (sometimes distantly) to the topic. For example, in the Bill Clinton (former US president) article, there are 22 bullets of trivia, including information that he had "a male chocolate-colored Labrador Retriever named "Buddy" and a cat named "Socks"", that a television ad once depicted "Clinton and a voodoo doll", and that he makes a "thumb gesture". It can be argued that the inclusion of trivia goes against the core Wikipedia principles. Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia, "not an indiscriminate collection of information", "not a collection of ...trivia" or "A DUMPING GROUND FOR RANDOM INFORMATION" (all quotations from Wikipedia principles or policy pages, but emphasis added by editor). As well, Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy requires editors to cite "... verifiable, authoritative sources whenever possible"; the policy pages state that "WIKIPEDIA IS NOT FOR UNCITABLE MATERIAL". It can be argued that trivia-type information often is not derived from authoritative sources (e.g., other encyclopedias, almanacs, respected publications, etc.). ....Normally I move trivia to the talk page, where it can be discussed - perhaps I made an error in this case.

Oops...forgot to sign last postNatMor 15:56, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Kim Hill

I moved the misplaced material on the other Kim Hill to her father's article, where I though it makes more sense to put it (see Fred Hill).--BillFlis 20:03, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Dear Moron

Dear Moron, please do not revert my edits that are clearly not nonsense. Did you even read the changes I made? I changed *** to ass. That's not nonsense buddy.74.132.119.197 20:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Wow. Warned for WP:NPA. alphaChimp laudare 01:40, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
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