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[edit] Dingly Dell (nb Lindisfarne (band))

Got your message, trust you can find your way out of your Dell (DLL Hell) without too much trouble, all the best. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 07:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem - sanity is better. All the best and thanks for all your work. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 07:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Novels auto lists

no change on the suggestions mentioned the other day. Please just go ahead with those if you are able. I think you must have archived the talk items! :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 07:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Novels Newsletter for July

Not that I am rushing you in any way - but I have written a draft Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Outreach/Newsletter July 2006 - if you would like to look it over - and edit the auto list section I have established for your use - - if your are not ready for a few days - not a problem - just let me know & I can hold publication. cheers :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 14:54, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] real message

But the pratical joke one pops up on whatever page you are on such as the REAL one. How do u do that, Eagle? Peach12 Talk [Contributions] [Email me] 20:21, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, my template takes you to YOUR talk page. Go to my page and click the message. :) Eagle talk 20:22, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] I knew that

I knew that, I was asking about the pratical joke one though Peach12 Talk [Contributions] [Email me] 20:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] My response

<div class="usermessage"><div class="plainlinks">'''You have [[Special:Mytalk|<span style="color: #002bb8">old messages</span>]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Mytalk?diff=last <span style="color: #002bb8">last change</span>]). {{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTYEAR}}: {{CURRENTTIME}}:{{CURRENTSECOND}}</div></div> Above is the full code, as you copied and pasted. This part: sets the style and color of the box, leave it alone.

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Hope this helps... Eagle talk 20:34, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My talk

Could you spice up my talk with a blue background and a box linking to my userpage my block log and every other link that is shown on my userpage? Thanks

Respond ASAP

Peach12 Talk Contributions Email 21:13, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Note: user turned out to be the sock of a banned user.Eagle talk 04:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/NovelsWithoutInfobox

It looks to me as the Category:Novels has been "sorted" / "depopulated" of actual novel articles. Category:Mystery novels is now nearly done, a re-run of that would be nice to check we have everything. SO, this leaves this with option of adding other "genres" or scanning other categories such as "yyyy novels". Could you try adding Category:Satirical novels, Category:Romance novels, Category:Political novels, Category:Western novels, Category:War novels or any others that appear worth doing. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Book_stubs_that_probably_should_be_novel_stubs

Forgot where we got to with this one, Might be good to re-run this as in the newer style and existing criteria and see what it produces. If there are any obvious "categories" we can mine then we can doo that later perhaps. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/NovelsInCompleteInfobox

I can see this is being used to trial a few things, but how far away is the version that actually "does what it says on the tin". Also are you near a stage when we can publish our plans on the newsletter. Sorry to press but it would be really good to get this moving again. Thanks for your efforts. Please say if I am expecting too much. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Book stubs to Novel stubs - New format (section) - think this section is fine - also think the threshold should go up to 500 words. Other than that let's go with this pretty much how it is. Thanks :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 10:33, 4 July 2006 (UTC)-
Responded with: yes I will put the infobox complete today. Will move the book to novel to the proper page, And sorry for the delay, I was waiting on you to respond. Eagle talk 15:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that I will probably publish the newsletter tomorrow morning (based in UK). I fyou want to adjust the message on the auto lists or other thing do so by then!. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 16:02, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
On the input front, I must admit I would have more to imput if I had more idea what your selection criteria are currently, and what problems you have grappled with. This would give me (and anyone else) somemeat to chew on - as it were. You could record your current criteria somewhere that we (ie. anyone really interested) could see them. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 16:02, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Novels Auto List talk

The obvious place for this would be the talk page related to each list. How would that be. Could get a bit distracting for those just wanting to talk about the editing work - but I'm sure we can live with that. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 06:11, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Novels WikiProject Newsletter July 2006

Here is the new edition of our monthly newsletter. The July 2006 issue of the Novels WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 13:35, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Novels Auto List talk

The obvious place for this would be the talk page related to each list. How would that be. Could get a bit distracting for those just wanting to talk about the editing work - but I'm sure we can live with that. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 06:11, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Novels WikiProject Newsletter July 2006

Here is the new edition of our monthly newsletter. The July 2006 issue of the Novels WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 13:35, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help

You responded to an editor requesting help. However, he was informing you of facts that are not correct. Now he removes my comment on this.[1] Evidently this is unusual behaviour. Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 10:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I thought the link was sufficient, but this it what I refer to User_talk:Zer0faults#WP:POINT. Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 03:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Not that I know of, but there is one against him. Untill now I did not comment on it in an attempt to prevent more anymosity, however his recent behaviour towards me (see the helme note) makes me think outside intervention may be the only answer. My comment here was only to inform you that his note was not entirely neutral and lacked important facets of our confrontations. This misrepresenting the facts is the principal problem I have with this user. Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 03:38, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Don't let it get to you. If I were you, I would make a small comment about the removal of the comment and provide the diff. Do so in a nuetral and polite manner (as you have been doing) and you will be fine. If you need helf with this, feel free to ask me. Eagle talk 03:47, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Might I ask you to take a look at this and ask you to help out? Perhaps you could find a solution. However, should you decline that is OK. Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 20:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Apparently the case is to difficult so the cabal has forwarded it to somethingh else. Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 07:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Incomplete List

Thanks for doing all the work for this, in answer to you ISBN question:

United Kingdom in 1966 by the booksellers and stationers W H Smith and originally called Standard Book Numbering or SBN (still used in 1974). It was adopted as international standard ISO 2108 in 1970. This is from the ISBN article. Should I use 1966 or 1970?

I would go with 1966 and be more inclusive in the list. A note at the head of the list in explanation / guidance might help. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 07:45, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Books

Do you think WP:BOOKS would like one I would think they might, ask them User:Feydey is the person there. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 07:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Hols?

Sounds like some hols coming up - if correct have a really good time - forget about all this and seriously enjoy yourself. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 07:51, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Volunteer work! you have me intrigued. Domestic or overseas. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 07:59, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regional Municipality of Peel, Ontario mediation

We're not getting very many signups for the mediation case. Should I/we post messages to the users requesting their attention to the matter? --AbsolutDan (talk) 04:42, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, by the looks of the drastitic improvement since I step in... this case may be closed soon. Eagle talk 07:43, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes I have been working to cite the content in the article, however I'm still chasing an edit war -- the section about the conflict is simply, in effect, a revert to a previous version. One editor removed WikiDoo's insertion completely, adding a shorter version of it to a different article (see the "oops" section), and another editor re-incorporated the 2 paragraphs that WikiDoo did not like. Since the current version does present both viewpoints I went ahead and cited both sides last night, but I fear that once WD sees this he will revert again. Time will tell though, I suppose... --AbsolutDan (talk) 14:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
P.S. I know setting the archive bot to a shorter timeframe would shorten the page length... I'm thinking about dropping it down some. Probably not as low as you have it, as sometimes I have discussions that span weeks and I like to keep them together... thanks for the suggestion though --AbsolutDan (talk) 14:21, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Template thing

The template FrankB is bemoaning is {{Category redirect|Books available as e-books}}; I don't know if anything can be done about it, and fortunately there are fewer than 100 items in it. I can do that standing on my head. <g> The novels list is truly awesome. In light of the hard work y'all are putting in, I will promise to try and create a complete infobox for the articles I split off in the films-based-on-books project. Back to my (real) job for a bit...! Cheers, ♥ Her Pegship♥ 16:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VandalProof problem

Hi Eagle,

around the end of may you invited me to use VandalProof, and I did for a time without problems. However, having come back to the project after a short break (for exams) I now find myself unable to login to Vandalproof. can you shed any light on the subject?

Regards, Chrisd87 23:21, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

-Already got the new version of Vandalproof, nothing changed. Sorry I can't be any more specific. Understood about you being away, no problem Chrisd87 22:26, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Hi via Pegship's

User_talk:Pegship#Book_.27Tools.27_and_such_topics! // FrankB 18:30, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

and (part II) regretable (for you) User_talk:Pegship#.5B.5BWikipedia:WikiProject_Novels.2FNovelsInCompleteInfobox.5D.5D <g> // FrankB 18:50, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks on the 'nice catch', but it wasn't... I'm really the only one adding content in that series. I was just twitting you since you twigged on my template somehow.
See my last answer to Pegship interleaved on my talk. You guys got to figure out which cats book templates should go into, and it looks like the one you left beats the one she left hands down... so now we re-edit. (Same ole wiki-day!). // FrankB 22:55, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Yah - I get how cite book is meant to be used, but do you get that since it's about books, that someone may expect to find it in one of the categories about books? Better yet, all the main cats about same. I haven't done a lot of footnoting as I'm more into fillng in (sometimes astonishing) gaps of younger editors san my years, so I took a while to realize the actual usage of the template. One of my pet peeves... poor documentation on purposes and usages in a lot of places. Starting with most categories pages (e.g. category:Shared universe— the person who created it hasn't been active in a long while, so I sent them an email last night since it showed up on something I do edit... 1632 series.), and most templates (That at least has historical system software as a causal factor! It wasn't possible until roughly a year ago. SO ... I document for the next editor e.g.Category:Middle Ages and children) To do otherwise, is to steal time from our co-editors, IMHO!

btw- I reactivated the Wikiproject:Book Series per Peg's suggestion. Can use someone to look over things and add 'standards' from the parent projects - Books and Novels. Get your two cents worth in on the Books notability guideline proposal. Best! // FrankB 00:25, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm talking cat... as in show up in a cat where another editor can see the tool... you're talking to usage... which is (almost) irrelavant until and unless you have a need. But if you don't know about it, how can you use it. That's all I'm saying. // FrankB 01:11, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
See example: {{commonscat4}} etc. You can put a ton of cats inside noinclude blocks, just as you can add such usage notes. OTOH, {{commonscat2}} and '4' do add an overt category when used. But, {{commonscat1Ra}} does not... yet all are in the same 'template list' categorys. Q.E.D. It's a matter of visibility. Hmmmm, I better get that usage template finished! ttfn // FrankB 02:53, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Films that are also novels issue

Hi Eagle, and thanks! I am checking the list now for false hits and find that several items are showing up which showed up in previous searches. I know why, too: They're not based on books, so I didn't add the "split comment" to the article. Yet the program finds them again because of the "trip words" in the text, which I assume are words like "book", "novel", "based on" etc. My suggestion: Can the program exclude articles with the word "novelization" or "novelisation" in the text? That might eliminate some of the repeated false hits. Either that, or come up with an alternative "split comment" phrase, such as <!--No book split necessary - Please do not remove this comment-->, which I can apply to those articles. Any thoughts? (P.S. I'm out of town sans Internet as well, until July 19, so no rush on this one. Have a good break.) ♥ Her Pegship♥ 00:21, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Wikiproject Novels

I got your message greeting me to Wikiproject novels; next time, could you sign your messages? Thank you for the pointer to your novels without infoboxes page, but the strategy I've been using (and will continue to use) is surf the novel categories and click on any random novel. 95% of the time, there is no infobox, but all necessary data is in either the article or Amazon.com usually. LittleDantalk 02:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Novel infobox missing autolist

Just wanted to let you know that the list is empty, I see that you will be back tomorrow and I would appreciate it if you could repopulate the list, as I have no idea how to do it myself and it makes things a whole lot easier. Thank you. -- Gizzakk 18:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the quick response! -- Gizzakk 00:37, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Novel already has infobox

I was working on the new list you put up today, and found that The Hound of the Baskervilles already had an infobox, so I am contacting you as per your request. -- Gizzakk 01:14, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

  • No problem -- Gizzakk 01:36, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You

Thanks for your help. I finally relized how to get the userboxes up where I wanted!

                                   Thanks Again!

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[edit] Welcome home

Nice to see you are hame and back at work. I think the criteria for isStub isNotStub are fine, we might adjust the word cound aspect later but it looks good for now. All the best. I trust the voluntary work was successful and fulfilling! :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 18:00, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Leave all at 450 for now - we can mark up the critera vergage at the head of each list with details of this watershed sometime. On the YYY novels issue put it in where you best think for now (amy even be best as a seperate list - not sure) and we can adjust how it appears later. Always difficult to design in a vacumn. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 18:17, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
On the subject of creating others lists (particularly for other Novels users), yeh go ahead if they appear reasonable just do it. Although I do a lot I don't have a monopoly on these things. What I would say is if we create a list let a few know, the requester, myself and maybe one or two other regulars; we can iron out any problems (if any) and only then (maybe) add it to the official set of lists. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 07:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Mainspace Edits

Heh. I have to edit articles more, and edit user talk pages less, because I have twice the amount of edits in user talk than I have on article. Oh crap, I just edited another user talk page :P Fredil Yupigo 20:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] "All Men are Mortal" by Simone de Beauvoir

Do have a first American edition of this novel (i.e., 1955 World Publishing Company), and it still has its original paper dust jacket with a red and black design. Cam have it photographed for input to Wikipedia, assuming there is no copyright problem. --Spritzer 03:49, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Responded with simple instructions and offer to get better help than me. (I suck at images!) Eagle talk 03:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cat:year novels

I was wondering if it is possible to make a list of those novels that have {{Infobox Book}}, but aren't listed in the various year novel categories? I keep running across a novel every so often that doesn't have one.Grey Shadow 07:27, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Reply to User talk:Grey Shadow #Cat:_year_novels
I'm not sure how to go about finding them. (Which is why I asked.<g>) I'd probably do a search with paramaters to include of {{infobox book}} and a Category that included a four digit number. I didn't even think of working with the "what links here" link. While I was at it, I'd also do a search that includes "page titles that included (book)" so we have a list we can work on to change to "page title (novel)". Does that make any sense? Grey Shadow 15:27, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
The list looks great! Just what I was looking for! Thanks. Will starting working on them now. Grey Shadow 00:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] name(book) to name(novel)

In regards to second idea, "page titles that include (book)". I did a quick look at the Category:Science fiction novels and found Colony (book) and Cradle (book). As they are novels, we should get around to moving them to Colony (novel) and Cradle (novel). I've noticed that Kevin has moved a couple, but if we had a list it would be easier to work with. There may be some non-novels in the bunch which we could recat rather than miss-rename. Does that make sense? Grey Shadow 01:19, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd look for novels, so anything that has a {Cat:YYYY novels} cat that has in it's title the word "(book)". Once we get everything in a YYYY novel cat, we should be able to find them all. Grey Shadow 01:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
You could also include in the search that if the result has {Cat:YYYY books} to disregard. Grey Shadow 01:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Big categories

Category:Broadcasting stubs, Australian broadcasting stubs, Music stubs. Enjoy :) --JD[don't talk|email] 01:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deifr

I noticed your comments about the cleanup and stub tags. I couldn't find a good stub either. The Yorkshire stubs are split up into {{NorthYorkshire-geo-stub}}, {{SouthYorkshire-geo-stub}}, and {{WestYorkshire-geo-stub}}, and none of those fit, so I ended up putting {{England-geo-stub}}.

Also, there are more specific cleanup messages, such as {{wikify-date}}, {{inappropriate tone}}, {{confusing}}, {{intro length}}, etc. These are more specific as to what needs to be done to the article, instead of just "it needs to be cleaned up". You can see a full list at Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup. Have a great day and happy editing! ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 18:07, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, sorry for assuming you didn't know about WP:TC. I figure, better to be helpful and provide information just in case they don't know instead of being critical and assuming they're dumb.
Good luck with the cleanup, even if it is a year late... =P ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 18:13, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] stubs for zoos

Hi. you aked about "what stub is used for zoos and parks?" these use the geography stub relating to where the zoos and parks are (in the case of Navajo Nation Zoo and Botanical Park it was {{arizona-geo-stub}}). and ive restubbed Deifr (in the message before this one) to {{EastRiding-geo-stub}} and {{UK-hist-stub}}, since its as much a history thing as an east yorkshire thing. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 01:30, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the infomation. I try my best but when I am unable to I do my best to help those who come after me! Agian thanks for telling me what is the best choice, I had no clue! —— Eagle (ask me for help) 02:21, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Follow on from Cat:year novels

From previous discusion at User talk:Eagle 101#Cat:year novels

24: One Shot is on the list you made up. This one is already listed in the {cat:YYYY books} and {cat:graphic novels} cats. I'll keep looking. Grey Shadow 03:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Interesting question. As graphic novels are not part of the WikiProject Novels, I left those that I found in the {cat:YYYY books} and didn't change them to {cat:YYYY novels}. Thinking about it more, while they may not come under the Project, I really should have moved them as they are novels. Grey Shadow 03:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
But are they, just because the title they use is "Graphic novel" does that make them a novel. In the same way, Some refer to "comic" in magazine form as "comic books" (a Coloquilism as far as I am aware) does not make them true books. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 10:26, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I see your point. Not all fiction works are novels, but all novels are fiction. In library terms, a comic book is not a book, but a periodical. OK, I revise my opinion & concur that they should go under {cat:YYYY books} for now. ♥ Her Pegship♥ 17:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok, so I should make sure that graphic novels are not hit in the future? (p.s. can we move this conversation to a project page, this is a wiki after all!) —— Eagle (ask me for help) 17:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Adding a link

Hi. Would like some assistance with adding a link to my TEFL training centre websiteIsltefl 14:00, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Assistance provided.—— Eagle (ask me for help) 17:54, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] help

{{helpme}}hi im not exactly sure what you wanted me to do but could you please help me with this vandal that is intent on getting me blocked for an example please look on my talk page--Hunter91 19:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your advice. I think I'll go ahead and refound it. :-) --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 19:14, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Wikipedia Research Survey Request

Hello, I am a member of a research group at Palo Alto Research Center (formerly known as Xerox PARC) studying how conflicts occur and resolve on Wikipedia. Due to your experience in conflict resolution on Wikipedia (e.g., as a member of the Mediation Cabal) we’re extremely interested in your insights on this topic. We have a survey at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=400792384029 which we are inviting a few selected Wikipedians to participate in, and we would be extremely appreciative if you would take the time to complete it. As a token of our gratitude, we would like to present you with a PARC research star upon completion. Thank you for your time.

Parc wiki researcher 00:01, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
PARC User Interface Research Group

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