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[edit] Changes to introductory paragraph

Re: changes to introductory paragraph. 1. I can't find one Eagles song about "Rock n Roll". I only left in the reference to cars because of "Ol' 55". 2. by the fourth album the country sound was gone. 3. I can't think of songs like "Witchy Woman" as completely innocent. Jgm 19:15, 13 Aug 2003 (UTC)

The entire Desperado album is about rock and roll. The outlaw is meant to be analogous to a rock singer.

[edit] The band name

The band is called 'EAGLES' not 'THE EAGLES' big difference.

'The Eagles' were a band in the 50's that originally recorded the song 'Baby What YOu Want Me To Do' later made famous by Elvis Presley.

I'd say it's a moot point. While the albums were consistently labeled as being by "Eagles", the band has consistently referred to itself (including in recent press releases publicising the upcoming tour and the official Don Henley site) as "The Eagles"; they certainly have never made an issue out of the name one way or another. I'd imagine that anybody looking for the article on the band is more likely to type in "The Eagles" which takes them to the band article; anybody typing in "Eagles" goes to the Eagle page which starts with a link to the Eagle (disambiguation) page which in turn links to The Eagles. So, since the band's official position on the name is vague I think things are best and most useful how they are now. Jgm 13:56, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Fair point. The band's official website is EAGLESBAND.COM not THEEAGLES or anything else. The company that Henley and Frey own is Eagles LTD. If this is ment to be a dictionary and factual, the band should be called EAGLES, not THE EAGLES (the entry name EAGLES (band) ). Their first album is titled EAGLES, not "The Eagles". So I'd appreciate it if people stopped changing that to FALSE information. And I'd hope the person who erased that change would ATLEAST leave it be. Or atleast buy the album to see for him/herself or use google. Thank you. I like facts, I hope people who write entries would do too.
Excuse me but the Eagles are the 70's band that everyone thinks about when they hear it said. Who ever heard of a 50's band called The Eagles. Who would care. 50's music is tinny and hard to listen to anyway. 71.28.243.28 23:18, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
One of my friends would take exception to that. He is a fan of the original "The Eagles". RashBold 21:25, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, the band name is "Eagles", not "The Eagles". Definitive evidence: check the picture that's illustrating our very article. You'll notice that the banner behing the very band says "Eagles", with no "the". This article will be moved momentarily, unless compelling evidence is provided otherwise, which I don't think will happen, being that the band's name is in fact "Eagles". Regards, Redux 01:14, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, I can't find any album cover sporting the definitive article. So I say go ahead and move it. However for all bands whose title would take the form "{Noun}s (band)", the redirect "The {Noun}s" should be kept, as it will be the most widely query searched for by (and the most intuitive target for inbound links created by) the average user. BTW, The Eagles Greatest Hits, Vol. 2 should be moved at about the same time as it has no "The". — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 04:58, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Move with caution - I have no objection to moving the article, and the grounds for the move appear techically correct. I would request that the person or persons doing the move ensure that it is done properly (retaining the page history) and completely (fixing all of the many double-redirects that you create). Engineer Bob 15:30, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
It is done (the album's entry as well). I've taken care of almost all the redirects already, but the list is quite extensive, and it includes many mislinks, where the objective was to link the animal eagle, but it was in the plural and people just linked [[eagles]]. So this is something of a work in progress, although the more significative part of it has already been done by me. Regards, Redux 06:40, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Most of the album articles say 'the eagles', so they need to be changed too -- Tarquin 19:28, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
I would like to note that on the side of the CD version of the most sold album of all time in the U.S. it says "The Eagles: Their Greatest Hits". I know that the band is entitled "Eagles", but it is fairly clear how people could have made this mistake. Bsd987 01:03, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
it's not a major difference at all, as their de facto name is always 'the Eagles'. say "eagles are my favorite band" out loud. it doesn't make sense, and nor does this article. Joeyramoney 17:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Joe Walsh, Organ Player

Sorry I'm new to this site otherwise I'd change it myself but Joe Walsh also plays the organ as well as the guitar (check the sleeve notes to any of the Eagles albums he plays on or watch the DVD they released recently and see for yourself). Randy Meisner is also a vocalist (he sang lead vocals on Take It To The Limit, Take The Devil, Try and Love Again, and Try and Love Again amongst others. (Sleeve notes of any of their first 5 albums will confirm this). I can't agree with the person who posted above that the Eagles country sound had gone by the 4th album - watch the Hell Freezes Over DVD on which Glenn Frey describes "The Girl From Yesterday" (off their 7th album) as a country song, I'd say that Lyin Eyes and After the Thrill is Gone (4th album), and New Kid In Town (5th album)are also Country songs but that's only my opinion.

This wasn't meant to be a list of all the instruments each person played. Meisner should have "vocalist" mentioned, but organ player or whatever the term for Joe Walsh is unnecessary. His playing of the organ is for studio work. In concert, he is the band's bassist. You don't mention every instrument each person plays; just look at the liner notes for R.E.M.'s Out of Time and you'll see just how impossible that is. Additionally, nowhere in the article did it say that the Eagles' country sound was gone by the fourth album. The article states that the band gravitated towards rock, and that is true. Bsd987 11:47, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
In concert I thought that he was lead guitarist and Timothy B Scmidt was the bassist. Wally 12:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I've seen the Eagles live 4 times and can assure you he played organ at each every one of them. Also if you watch the Hell Freezes Over and Farewell Tour DVDs he plays organ on them as well. As for not listing every instrument - the reason I mentioned this is that you have Don Henley down as a guitarist - although he does play guitar he is primarily the bands drummer - Joe Walsh plays more organ than Don Henley plays guitar!

[edit] Platinum Eagles

I've heard they got the RIAA's first platinum album, but not the year. Can somebody confirm & include? Trekphiler

Also Their Greatest Hits is the best selling album of all time in the U.S.? Why isn't this included? --Drowse 10:23, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
They also had the first album to be certified diamond (10 million) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.161.49.25 (talk) 03:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Link hit singles?

I'm not up on the "official rules," but shouldn't the songs under hit singles be hyperlinked to articles if they exist? e.g. Hotel California, which I found difficult to get to from the main page. Garble 22:23, 13 Jan 2006

[edit] Interpretation of the songs

I removed all the different interpretation of the songs as they are not supported by any documents. For examples, I heard so many different interpretations of Hotel California (reference to the State, the US, an nut-house in Ventura County, the 666 Beast, the Music Industry, ...), that short of actual "official" interpretation by the original song writer, it is not factual. Tony Bruguier 17:45, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Added vocalist on Leadon

Added vocalist on Leadon's "instruments"

He sang lead since the 1st album (and backing vocals of course). Eagles songs he sang lead on include "Train Leaves Here This Morning", "Earlybird", "Twenty-One", "Bitter Creek", "My Man" and "I Wish You Peace"

[edit] Verify tag

Hi all,

I recently put a verify tag in this article and I have been asked to say why I did so. My first concern is about the billboard results. Look at this edit. It is probably a mistake/vandalism but I didn't find a good source for this. The second concern is the "Success & breakup" section. The whole thing may se some quotation but the one sentence that bothered me was: "Only three more songs until I kick your ass, pal"; it'd be great if we have a source.

Tony Bruguier 01:47, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I researched your chart position question on AllMusicGuide.com and uncovered the facts -- "Hole In The World" did reach #5 on the Adult Contemporary chart, but was only #69 on the Hot 100, so the last editor was correct. I'm going to check a few other singles to confirm that they reference the proper chart, then remove the {verify} tag from that section.
Based on your comments above, I'm also converting your {verify} tag in the History section to a few {fact} tags on the handful of quotations that appear to need a source. That will make it easier for readers and other editors to identify the disputed content.
-- Engineer Bob 06:39, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar

Why does the article say "Eagles are" if we are talking about a[n American] band? It should say "Eagles is. . ."; one wouldn't say (in American-English anyway) "Nirvana are a grunge rock band from Seattle", I mean, we are talking about a group after all, not a plural category. Basically, if we are going to adhere to the fact that the band name is "Eagles" and not "The Eagles" we ought to be consistent and also refer to it as "Eagles is an American. . ." 71.76.135.102 20:21, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Such is the way of the world of non-definitive-articled-pluralized band names. The band themselves (in interviews as well as more formal press releases) have never hesitated to use the the with the band name to make conversation easier, even as they avoided it on album covers and the like. We should follow suit. Jgm 01:57, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Eagles are a kind of bird. the eagles are a band. in common diction, there is always a "the" placed before the name. just saying "eagles" doesn't sound right at all. similarly, the band name is plural, so it's the eagles are.Joeyramoney 17:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Telstar (song)

Here's a question: Did the Eagles ever cover the song "Telstar" ? See Telstar_(song) and note that the list of artists who covered it includes "The Eagles (60s band)"

Just a thought. Can anyone confirm or deny this one?

That cover version was done by The Eagles (UK band), which was active in the 60s. I've fixed the link in the Telstar article. -Engineer Bob 22:52, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edits

There were a recent bunch of copy edits, some of which were incorrect - I've changed them back, assuming I saw all of them, and would ask editors to check guidelines and the rest of the article before making wholesale changes. For example, album titles should be in italics and song titles in quotes, and then there is the matter of "Eagles" vs "The Eagles". I personally think it sounds absurdly awkward to say "Eagles" alone much of the time, so I didn't change back those recent edits, but they weren't done consistently either so I did attempt to make it consistent. As for commas outside of quote marks - see WP:MOS. A much more important guideline, however, is WP:BLP which requires citations for claims about living people, particularly claims that could possibly be libelous. And also the universally agreed on style rule that if you say "Joe said recently" or "Jim has said" etc., you need to provide citations for those quotes. This article has a number of both problems, and I've added {{CN}} or {{fact}} where I noticed them. I think editing energies would be better spent trying to track down some citations for the claims and quotes than on debating the use of the definite article or placement of quote marks. IMHO. Tvoz 19:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] T.N.T.S.?

In the article for the album On the Border, the vocal credit for the title song says "Lead vocals by Don Henley and T.N.T.S.". Who or what is T.N.T.S.? I asked in the talk page of that article awhile ago, but haven't received a response yet so I figured someone here might be able to help. - Ugliness Man 18:29, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I've posted a response on the album's talk page. -- Engineer Bob 00:21, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] trivia section

I have nothing against trivia (although some wikicops are allergic to it) but I removed this trivia section because it is either already included in the article, unverifiable gossip and speculation, or idiotically trivial - I' ve noted as such below. Do other editors agree?

  • On the last night of an acrimonious 1980 tour, Glenn Frey and Don Felder spend the entire show making on-stage threats to each other. 'Only three more songs until I kick your ass, pal,' said Felder near the end of the set. The gig soon descended into a mass on-stage brawl which was only broken-up by a dozen roadies.
ALREADY IN ARTICLE
  • Don Henley was known as 'Nikon Don' for his habit of filming home movies with young female fans while on tour.
POSSIBLY LIBELOUS UNVERIFIED GOSSIP AND DOESN'T BELONG IN EAGLES ARTICLE ANYWAY - HENLEY OR NOWHERE
  • Glenn Frey now has Teflon lining in his nose due to his cocaine use, he used to arrange it in an aerodynamic crescent and snort it an eighth of a gram at a time.
POSSIBLY LIBELOUS UNVERIFIED GOSSIP AND DOESN'T BELONG IN EAGLES ARTICLE - FREY OR NOWHERE
  • Legend has it that a 'backmasked' message on 'Hotel California' says 'Yes, Satan had help. He organised his own religion. How nice it was - delicious. He puts it in a vat and fixes for his son and gives it away.' It was also widely believed that the sinister figures at the window of the 'Hotel California' album sleeve was Anton La Vey, founder of the infamous Church of Satan. Joe Walsh denies this saying 'It was just one of the publicity guys from Elektra, he was a little tired.'
"LEGEND"? PURE SPECULATION AND SO WHAT
  • Joe Walsh ran for U.S. President in 1980 and vice-president in 1992 under the banner 'Free Gas for Everyone'. He also once wrecked a hotel with a chainsaw in an attempt to convert four separate rooms into one larger suite.
FUNNY IF IT WEREN'T SO SAD, BUT ALSO UNVERIFIED AND DOESN'T BELONG IN EAGLES ARTICLE - WALSH OR NOWHERE
  • Itailan footballer Roberto Baggio is an Eagles obsessive, he learnt all the lyrics to 'Hotel California' at ten.
YOU MUST BE KIDDING.
  • Glenn Frey featured in an episode of Miami Vice and did an advert for Pepsi.
OK, BUT INCOMPLETE (DIDN'T YOU SEE JERRY MAGUIRE?) AND ANYWAY IT BELONGS IN FREY NOT EAGLES

--Tvoz | talk 01:24, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

  • I pretty much agree with your reasoning on all points. Also, the backmasking thing, if there's any merit to it at all, belongs in the specific article for that song, rather than the band's article. Nearly every noteworthy song over the last 40 years that has been the target of accusations of backmasking is a song that has a Wikipedia article of its own. - Ugliness Man 12:13, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Of course you're right about that - backmasking is interesting stuff, and I don't care that it's speculative, but I'd hope there was more than "legend has it" - lots of things have been written about "Paul is dead", for instance, that talk about "turn me on deadman" etc - I hope they are referenced so people can read more about it, not just rely on the recolection of a Wikipedia editorTvoz | talk 18:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Ditto from me. Trivia sometimes has its place on Wikipedia, but none of the stuff you deleted belongs in this article. Thanks for doing the cleanup, and for stating the reasons so clearly. -- Engineer Bob 17:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
sometimes it's easy Tvoz | talk 18:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Long Road OUT OF Eden or The Long Road TO Eden

...I see an article edit today changing the name of the new album from "The Long Road TO Eden" -->to--> "The Long Road OUT OF Eden"
Does anyone know for sure? I've heard credible sources for both (the Single is definitely "TO") so I didn't want to revert the edit by 24.89.247.99
Thomas Dzubin Talk 00:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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