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other countries eagles

I'm a little bit worried about having the history of the Philippines Eagle scout here. Would that thereby state that we should go through the history of the highest rank in scouting for each country with a scouting program? or should each of those be seperate pages, linked to the scouting pages of each country? Lyellin 05:26, Dec 31, 2003 (UTC)

  • So far, with only two awards represented, it seems OK. If we do evolve to many more Scouting program's awards (if they are named Eagle) then someone could do a reorganization. Perhaps a page that indexes all Scouting program's highest awards (whatever their names) would be interesting. Bevo 19:54, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)


  • I think perhaps the best method would be to create a page indexing all of the various Scouting's highest honors, and then seperate ones for each one. It's more work, but I also think more appropiate, especially if we begin to list histories in the like. Maybe I'll start to do that. Anyone know of other scouting award pages on here yet? Lyellin 01:57, Jan 2, 2004 (UTC)
I've done some searching off what links to the scouting page, and I can't seem to find any other highest awards that have articles yet. Gentgeen 07:24, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

copyright of content

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  • I have reverted the edits you made to Eagle Scout. While I appricate your illingness to help, we are not allowed to copy content from other sites. The copyright of this site says that all of the information used here needs to be explisitly decaired as free content. I'm sure that some of this information is quite usefull and we can definatly put it back so long as we do it in the correct manner. If we are to use statictics like the number of eagle scouts, we need to cite where they came from. For the list of eagle's please check out List of Eagle Scouts (it needs some work, i did most of it myself.) also there is a whole page devoted to List of BSA rank requirements which you might want to help on. In any case, welcome and if you have any questions of ir I can be of help, please contact me on my talk page. Cavebear42 20:35, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Statistics on number of U.S. Eagle Scouts

Can anyone find a source for the claim that "Only two or three percent of Scouts who join ever attain [Eagle Scout]."? And perhaps some more detailed numbers? --Slowking Man 10:16, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)

Not every boy who joins a Boy Scout troop earns the Eagle Scout rank; only about 4 percent of all Boy Scouts do so. scouting.org Cavebear42 07:27, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
someone has added that it is only 2% in California. I think that this is interesting but 1. im not sure if it relivent to the article as a whole and 2. it isnt cited. i got the 4 percent number as cited above. please list your citing here before readding. for now, i will remove it. Cavebear42 21:10, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Removal of the two examples of Eagle Scouts

The part about the two black Chicago kids was removed because I thought that it seemed to have just been stuck in. Not that it belonged in that particular paragraph. Also, the two kids have not gone on to be of any historic note. They weren't the first blacks to attain the rank, the article didn't state that they had any learning disabilities that they overcame, etc. If someone wants to expand the article to include a section as to the statistics of being both an Eagle and being black, then that's fine. Talk about Hank Aaron or Willie McCool would fit more for that section of the article than just two kids who went to college, in my opinion.

Dismas

the link to the court of honor web page fits right in with this. i have removed the text and the link we are disscussing before. this appears to be the personal agenda of someone who feels that this is special. WHile I aggree that it is special when a scout make eagle, it only belongs in this article if it affects the badge or its standing in america. i dont think that the first black eagle or famous eagles would even belong here, we maintain a List of Eagle Scouts on another page which is for famous eagles. a stat about black eagles might fit but in the spirt of the brotherhood of scouting, i would prefer that we dont attempt to start segragating our eagles into racial groups. Cavebear42 08:31, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Once the Court of Honor page gets set up, there will be different sections, since the Eagle Scout Court of Honor is a different ceremony all by itself. Zscout370 21:54, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Response to Above Comments

When an African American young man attains the rank of Eagle, it is noteworthy indeed. It is a rarity for anyone to attain this rank, especially black inner city kids. The efforts of these young men should be included on the Eagle page. Either that or a separate page created with a link to it. The Court of Honor link shows the public what can be included in this important ceremony. It depicts an example of an Eagle Court that was well organized. This is especially helpful to anyone in the process of planning such an event. Therefore, it should stay.

Lastly, I removed names from the Eagle list who are criminals for the reasons listed below:

This section should be reserved for those individuals who have attained scouting's highest rank, the Eagle Scout award. Listing the name or names of serial killers and pedophiles is a disgrace to the badge. Anyone who has earned the Eagle award as a youth, then later becomes a serial killer, rapist, or any other type of criminal, forfeits his award or the right to claim name to it. That person is a disgrace to the others who behave in law-abiding ways and uphold the honor of the badge. I was appalled to see the name of a serial killer and pedophile listed here. So to get the attention of the Wikipedia community, I feel it is necessary to add this statement in defense of the Eagle Badge. I will only identify myself as the proud leader of an Eagle Scout. I would like to see the badge's good name upheld. I am sure that every Eagle Scout and Eagle family would agree with me. If I see another criminal listed, I will remove his name in order to PROTECT THE DIGNITY AND HONOR OF THE EAGLE BADGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please respect this very unique badge and list only those individuals who are living up to the standards of an Eagle Scout, both in the past and especially in the present!!! Please help to uphold the dignity and honor of this distinction by keeping Arthur Gary Bishop's name off of this privileged list! This also goes for any other criminal!!! According to the BSA, only those who are living up to the high standards of the Eagle rank have the right to claim name to it. Criminals do not even measure up to God's standards so you know they don't measure up to scouting's!!! Thanks. Tina Reed, MA, LPC (Scout Leader/Minister-in-Training) --Sistertina 16:06, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Protecting the dignity of the eagle badge. Look. There is a boy at my school who is an Eagle Scout. He's black. He's an honor student. He's made tremendous achievements. But he doesn't deserve an entry. To be on a list like this solely because of a list like this defeats the point of the list. I'm sure that they are great kids, but there's no reason for them to be on the list if they have not done something noteworthy outside of the community they are part of. The killers on the list are noteworthy for something outside of the community they are part of, and are listed here for reference purposes, not to detract from the badge. All you do by removing those entries is alter the Wikipedia in a negative way. This has nothing personal against the Boy Scouts. It's just a list of those who are noteworthy who happened to be Eagle Scouts. If there were a list of Christians, would you remove the killers and criminals from that list, solely because they "do not measure up to God's standards"? I'm sorry if this comes off as a bit harsh, but I can't understand your reasoning. Please leave a message on my talk page, so we can talk more in-depth, troop leader to ex-scout. Segekihei 21:24, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I am an Eagle Scout, and I believe the addition is inappropriate. The only Eagle Scouts listed here should be ones who are famous for a reason unrelated to being an Eagle Scout. It does not matter if they are famous for feeding the poor or raping children -- to prove that these criminals are an exception, you need only compile a more complete list, where this handful of bad people will be obvious exceptions to the rule of greatness. Tuf-Kat 21:58, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
I am an Eagle Scout as well. Troop 52, Hinsdale, Illinois. Does it bother me that someone who acheived their Eagle rank went on to become a murderer/serial killer? Yes. Although I can see why those men have been listed here. They have made history in some way, however dubious and despicable. And they acheived their Eagle rank. President Nixon resigned his office before being impeached. President Clinton was impeached. Should they be removed from a list of Presidents because of the disgrace they caused to the office of the President? Meanwhile, Mr. White and Mr. Reed have not had a significant historical impact. Yes, they probably overcame adversity while growing up in Chicago. This is not of historical note since many people find their way past growing up in bad neighborhoods and continuing on to college.
A Scout is reverant and should be reverant of not only his own religious beliefs but those of others as well. Since not everyone even believes in a god we cannot go by any one god's standards. It is similar to the old adage about the victors writing the history books. If we write the articles by what we interpret one god's standards to be then we are ruling out everyone else's ideas that don't meet those requirements.
As for the Court of Honor link, I suggest you write an article for the Court of Honor since there still isn't one. If you provide your link as an external link it may be approved by the Wikipedia community. Dismas 02:56, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Before I begin, I'll state that I, too, was a scout in my youth. However, we must remember here that we're creating an encyclopedia, not a family album or a scouting yearbook. Wikipedia has no need to protect the dignity and honor of the scouts any more than we have to protect the dignity and honor of the IRA, the Nazi party, the KISS Army, the Church of Satan, or the Lower Wilimington Ladies' Crocheting Club. In other words, the purpose of an encyclopedia is not to make anyone look good (or bad, for that matter), but to present a well-verified and complete view of the cold, hard facts. It is one of the cruelties of history that "bad" people are often more well-remembered than "good" people. My grandfather was a great man, but will his life ever be as well-studied and widely recognised as Hitler's, or Genghis Khan's? Of course not. Our task as encyclopedia editors is not to prune history of the facts we don't like, but to present a complete and impartial viewpoint and let the reader choose for themselves. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 18:29, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
  • Just thought I should also weigh in. I am an eagle scout. I think that this list, as incomplete as it is, already shows that the few bad are nothing near the majority of great eagles in this world. To the comment "I am sure that every Eagle Scout and Eagle family would agree with me." we have already shown this as wrong and I hope that this page reads as that the majority of eagles who are also wikipedia editors have shown up to say that we don't feel that the dignity of the badge is in question, truth is more important image, and we need to quit fighting over these few edits and stick to the rules of an encyclopedia. Noteworthy makes the list, whether you like them or not. Listing 2 scouts because of their race is not noteworthy, we've covered this in detail. We will take votes or protect pages if we have to but I think that we can come to an agreement here as reasonable people. Also, wikipedia is not a collection of links. I feel that that page (which I read pretty closely) is not a very helpful resourse for planning eagle courts. It would be more helpful to find a link to the offical BSA planner (should one exist) but I too would not be opposed to it being in the external links section of Court of Honor. Cavebear42 08:56, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

As with some of the names on the Eagle Scout list, we should only add if needed. And as with anything, there is some people who wear the Eagle with honor and those who tarnish it. Granted, there are those who tarnished the Eagle Scout rank and those who wore it well. But when you get to some of the names, like Michael Moore or the young Eagle Scout that sued, we could be fighting over their names for ages if we have a list of Infamous/Famous Eagle Scouts. BTW, I am also an Eagle Scout, however, a Scout is Honest and we must tell the truth about our own, even if the truth hurts. Zscout370 19:14, 7 Feb 2005 (EST, USA)

I agree with most of you. Why we're deleting ANYONE from the list of Eagles, IMHO, is junk. Once an Eagle, Always an Eagle, whether you're the best person or the worst person in the world. Part of the charge that we all took was to the Scout Oath and Law, and I see nothing in there that says that we have to disown our own brothers, especially ones like Michael Moore. Scouting teaches us to be respectful of others, even if we disagree, and what kind of example do we really set for future Eagles if we can't even acknowledge a guy who used his love of film for his Eagle project and the improvement of the world? - Jeremiah Cook 03:03, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

eagle scout oath

I just saw this added to the page. I can find no official mention of an eagle scout oath anywhere in bsa literature. i did some searching on the net and came up with this discussion where they appear to have agreed that there is no eagle scout oath. I'm pretty sure about this but would love for someone to prove me wrong if you can find it somewhere. Cavebear42 23:21, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I removed it because there is no official oath, AFAIK. I am an Eagle Scout and I never took any special oath (there is a Boy Scout Oath, however). The ceremony where someone receives the Eagle award may contain a special oath, such as the one cited, but there are no rules about these ceremonies. Any oath used in them must be specific to a certain troop, area or individual ceremony (an oath used by a lot of people, even if not official, could still be relevant for this article though). Tuf-Kat 00:32, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
    • Ok, but I do wish to mention that this Oath that I took was during my Court of Honor and I remembered other scouts took it when they achieved Eagle. However, I find it surprising that this oath is not universal. Sorry about that yall. Zscout370 03:28, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
      • You haven't seen it in the literature because it doesn't exist, and I speak from experience. There is an organizational oath, but not one specifically for Eagle Scouts. It may be part of a local (troop/district/council) tradition, or a part of a particular Court of Honor design. I know mine did not include such a thing.
        • There does exist an Eagle Charge (http://www.usscouts.org/eagle/eaglecharge.html) and the Eagle Challenge (http://www.usscouts.org/eagle/eaglechallenge.html). The Challenge is printed and published by the BSA (even though my referenced links are not). The Challenge only requires the Eagle to listen to the words. It should also be noted that at the time of the Court of Honor, which traditionally is when these are read, the Scout is already an Eagle Scout. For all intents and purposes, a Scout is an Eagle Scout the moment his application is signed by the Council Exec (after passing the Board of Review) and his application is submitted and accepted by the National Service Center. The official Scout Oath is the only oath required of any Scout attempting or advancing in any rank. Any responses required of an Eagle during his COH are purely for ceremonial pomp and dramatic effect, as he would be an Eagle with or without the Court of Honor. SoCalTed, Eagle Scout (04 JAN 2006)

Eagle Projects

Just heard about them and I'm wondering if someone in the know could describe them here. Sebastian 21:11, 2005 Mar 12 (UTC)

wow, maybe we need an article if you cant find it on the wiki. the eagle project is a community service project led by the eagle candidate. the scout must first come up with a written proposal. the project must benefit the community in some way a and show the scout's leadership skills. after getting it approved, the scout exeicutes the project and finally writes up a detailed report of what he did. the project's validity is judged on the above criteria. for a quick example we will use raising a flagpole as a project. a scout says that he wants to put up a flagpole at his church and help promote patriotism. project is approved seeing as how this can be a benefit to the community. scenario 1: scout talks to the pastor who approves the project and donates the money. scout then calls the flagpole company and hires them to do the job. case closed. this project would fail. scenario 2: scout gets pastors permission to do the job. he organizes fundraisers and has 20 scouts working under him to get them money. he calls the city and gets a permit for the task. he consults a professional who advises him how to best do the task and make sure that it is done correctly and safely. he then purchases the flagpole and organizes the team that will raise it. the team raises it under his direction. this project would pass. the point is that leadership was shown and that the job was done by the scout, not his friends and family on his behalf. hopefully this gives a good start to this discussion at least. feel free to hit my talk page for more info or emails. Cavebear42 08:24, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • Well, if you suggest of making a Wiki article for Eagle Scout projects, I think the basic requirements can be covered and examples of well known Eagle Scout projects. Those we can find on our own. Zscout370 19:13, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • i'm a little hesitant to create "well known eagle projects" because this could quickly turn into "add mine to the list" due to the fact that you would be hard pressed to find a project which people know about coast to coast. while i think that there should be an article and that example might be helpful, that could turn vanity real fast. Cavebear42 00:24, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • Agreed. I think the Boy Scouts had examples listed in the "Eagle Scout Package" they give everyone who wants to go from Life to Eagle. If you want, I can find this booklet and use the examples from there. Zscout370 00:34, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
        • More in depth info on how to plan and carry out an Eagle Project may be more appropriate for the Wikibook on Scouting. Tuf-Kat 00:39, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
          • Good idea Tuf, I like it. I know there is a PDF version of the booklet I mentioned before, and I personally think that might ok to include on here. Zscout370 00:44, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
            • Prob not. almost everything that BSA publishes is copywritten. it would not be appropriate to include it here or on wikibooks. if you wanted to read and write in your own words the examples in the packet with links to the bsa external pdf, it would be great. i dont regularly edit on wikibooks but if you were to work there, you must also create original content. Cavebear42 00:47, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
              • Indeed, BSA materials are copyrighted and can't be included verbatim on any Wikimedia project. Tuf-Kat 03:40, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
                • I added a little blirp on the Eagle Scout Project. Change it on what you think seems fit. I don't know if we should give it its own page though. I know from experience that I can write a lot more in detail about it, but some of it would be more tips and personal comments rather than anything that should be in an encyclopedia. Wikibooks could work for a guide to scouting though. RENTASTRAWBERRY FOR LET? röck 03:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
To me, this section reads more like a how to, than a section of an encyclopedia article. While it is good material, I do agree that WikiBooks would be a more appropriate place for this material. I have been thinking on this for some time: it might be time to start doing some work over at WikiBooks. --Gadget850

With no other discussion, I deleted this section. The text would be very good as a start to a WikiBook. --Gadget850 19:16, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Eagle Scout Knot

Question, do you think it will be ok if we add an image of the knot to this page? Zscout370 02:54, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Seems reasonable since the article mentions it. You have an image handy? Dismas
Yes I do. I have a picture of the actual knot that I will upload. I will try to upload the medal and the Eagle palms soon, also. Zscout370 16:04, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
the knot and metal would be great. there is an Eagle Palms article where the palms would be better suited. Cavebear42 17:30, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I added a separate section in the article, called Eagle Scout Devices, where we can display the various devices worn by Eagle Scouts. Zscout370 19:38, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Eagle Scout of the Philippines Moved

The text regarding this award has been given its own page. The text remains unchanged.

Notice

Hey, I created an article: Court_of_Honor_(Scouting). I welcome anyone to edit it (once I remove the in use tag). Zscout370 (talk) 02:00, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Correct uniform placement of the medal?

I'm an Eagle Scout, wearing my uniform to church for Memorial Day.

I usually don't wear the medal for fear it'll end up in the wash.

But today being Memorial Day I thought I ought to wear it since I'm wearing my Class A Uniform.

But I didn't know which pocket to put it on. I googled for the answer, and here I am. It's not in here, and I can't edit it because I don't know the corrent answer. If anybody else knows, could you add that detail? Thanks. :)

The medal will be worn on the flap of the left uniform pocket (where the insignia is placed). This is placed below any knots you have earned. See http://www.mninter.net/~blkeagle/eagmedal.htm Zscout370 (Sound Off) 03:16, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
In addition, I have seen some Scouters wear their Eagle medal on a suit jacket on the left lapel at an Eagle Court of Honor, but I'm not sure if this is appropriate. KC9CQJ 09:11, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I wear a lapel pin in situations like that. My medal is in a case/shadow box. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 15:08, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The only thing I wan't to mention to you is that if you are an adult wearing the uniform you should only have the Eagle Knot on. If you are still in scouting you can only wear the medal if you don't already have the patch sowed on. RENTASTRAWBERRY FOR LET? röck 03:52, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
When two badges have the same meaning, only one may be worn. Eagle is the exception to this rule: the medal may be worn when the badge or knot is worn. Reference: Scoutmaster Handbook, 1981, page 334. Normally, this is for ceremonial occasions such as a Court of Honor or Scout Sunday. --Gadget850 17:01, 14 December 2005 (UTC) (oops, forgot to sign this)

Improvement

Since this article has been nominated for improvement, I thought I would make a few suggestions:

  • Move much of Eagle Scout rank in the BSA to the lead in. Move the NESA and DESA references here. Done, needs a lot of cleanup.
  • A short history. Started section, but no text yet.
  • Current requirements: tighten the text, more emphasis on leadership and service.
  • Expand service project.
  • Include palms (image?). Found it at Eagle Palm!
  • Move Interpretation of the badge design to Insignia. Tighten this up
  • Similar awards: move the lead in info on Philppinnes and Queens, add GSUSA Gold, Venturing Silver and anything that some folks might consider comparable.
BTW, scout should be lower case except when referring to specific persons or when it is a part of a name, title or rank.

Any other thoughts? --Gadget850 19:01, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

I am considering removing Interpretation of the badge design altogether, as it does not really add anything to the article. If we keep it, it really needs a lot of cleanup. --Gadget850 14:07, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Any objections to removing this section? --Gadget850 11:26, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

With no toher discussion, I deleted this section. --Gadget850 19:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, I have made some corrections to the History section, based on Terry Grove's excellent work on the Eagle Award. --Emb021 20:06, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Arrow of Light and Eagle

The Arrow of Light is Cub Scouting's highest award, and as such is on par with the highest awards/ranks in the other program areas. Hence the ability of Boy Scouts to wear the insignia past the age of 11 and of adults to wear the corresponding knot. Thesquire 08:59, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Exactly. Thus the use of comparable, not equivalent. I like what you did with that section. --Gadget850 10:18, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Badge/Medal

Looking at several references (Scout Handbooks, Insignia Control Guides, etc) the cloth patch is consistently referred to as a badge and the pin on emblem is a medal. Also the other rank pages use badge for the patch. --Gadget850 11:16, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Eagle Scout Userbox

How about making a Eagle scout userbox? Place it below. Dustimagic 19:35, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

See my user page for an Eagle scout userbox. It also adds you to the category. Rebelguys2 created it. Rlevse 19:45, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Eagle Scouts and the U.S. Military

Eagle Scouts who enlist in the US military may receive advanced rank in recognition of their achievements.

Is there anything out there we can cite? I've heard this before, but I haven't been able to find any verfiable sources with a quick Google search. I remember that Rlevse is retired from the U.S. Navy, and he could probably vouch for it, at least. -— Rebelguys2 talk 18:07, 29 January 2006 (UTC)



During my Army and Scouting careers, I jhave had Eagles Scout who enlisted at E-2. I changed this to may some time back, because it must be in the enlistment contract: there are other issues that may negate the Eagle.

  • Air Force: [1]
  • Marines: [2] (PDF)

--Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:15, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Very cool. Thanks! — Rebelguys2 talk 20:49, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, they can get E-2 or E-3 automatically, depending on what is being offered at the time they join and which service they join. Rlevse 22:30, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

The wonders of Google :-) Rather hard to pick it out though, but that's become a bit of a speciality of mine. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Revert War on Eagle Percentage

Stop the revert war on the percentage of BSA Scouts who make Eagle. As Gadget850 has provided an official BSA cite for it, this is settled. Not to mention the people who keep changing it to 2% don't even have the integrity to get an account and sign their name. Any further reverts from 4% will be reported as vandalism. Rlevse 22:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC), Scouting Project and Portal coordinator.

Returning of Eagle Scout Award

Anyone think something should be included about people returning their Eagle Awards to BSA HQ in response to BSA v. Dale or the atheist Scout being kicked out? Worldtravller 20:50, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

No. This is about the award, not people's feelings towards it or BSA. This is more appropriate for Controversies about the Boy Scouts of America. Rlevse 21:28, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Sounds good. Worldtravller 02:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Merge of Eagle Palms

Propose merge from Eagle Palms. The article is short, and can certainly be tightened up enough for s section in the Eagle Scout article. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:24, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Support I always thought it was odd to have palms separate. Rlevse 18:19, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Support What Rlevse said. --Naha|(talk) 20:00, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Support I've always kind of thought of the palms as a addition to the eagle rank not something seperate. --CCWorld 02:25, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

OK: I will do this in the next day or so. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:03, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

done --Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:43, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Badge Symbolism

I'm just too tired to look this up right now, but this looks like it was taken from one of the ceromonies. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:03, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I cut this as it seemed to be ripped from some of the ceremony stuff. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:44, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Eagle Award Kit

It might be good to show the award kit given to an eagle scout (ie. mothers pin, award, mentor pin, father pin, and i think there was something else in there. also, a picture of the eagle certificate would be nice. the two problems with that are that first of all we need to decide whose to use, and second of all, do we blur out the name. i'm fine with using mine but i'm afraid people will take it as me trying to gloat or something. any takers?--preschooler@heart my talk - contribs 06:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

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