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[edit] Photo?

Having a bear of a time finding a PD photo of Hunt, will keep looking. Also need to do a once over on the article and expand a bit before he was in OSS which is more or less where this bio starts. --Wgfinley 20:27, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Technical/Procedural issue

I'm curious as to why the article lacks the current events marker and this statement, which I've seen on the articles of other recently-deceased individuals:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/02/Current_event_marker.png/55px-Current_event_marker.png "This article is about a recently deceased person. Some information, such as the circumstances of the person's death and surrounding events, may change rapidly as more facts become known."

CrashRiley 02:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grassy knoll?

The article says that Newsweek said that a man resembling Hunt and a man resembling Sturgis were found on the grassy knoll after the assassination. I've always thought that the "three tramps," (including "Hunt" and "Sturgis") were found inside a boxcar in the railroad yard behind the grassy knoll fence. --Thomas Graves 05:50, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

As part of the Liable trial, and claims by Mike Canfield and A.J. Weberman that Hunt had been on the grassy knoll 11 22 63, hunt claimed to have been eating with his oldest son at a Chinese Diner. Canfield and Weberman proved in spite of Hunts testamony and that of his oldest son, that the chinese diner in question did not exist in 11 22 63. In the March 20 2007 Los Angeles times, pages A10-A11, Hunts oldest son, St. John, states that his father asked him to lie and provide Hunt with an alibi. And yes, the three tramps were found in the boxcar near the grassy knoll. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.191.144.152 (talk • contribs). 21:04, 20 March 2007
Article in question: Carol J. Williams (March 20, 2007). Watergate plotter may have a last tale. Los Angeles Times. The two Hunt brothers' version is disputed by other family members:

It had always been suspected that Hunt shared his Cuban exile friends' hatred of Kennedy, who refused to provide air cover to rescue the 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion that Hunt helped organize. "He told me in no uncertain terms about a plot originating in Miami, to take place in Miami," said St. John. He said his father identified key players and speculated that then-Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson was responsible for moving the venue to Dallas, where the Texan could control the security scene. But the memoir's published passages about the assassination have an equivocal tone. Hunt provides only a hypothetical scenario of how events in Dallas might have unfolded, with Johnson atop a pyramid of rogue CIA plotters. The brothers insist their father related to them a detailed plot to assassinate Kennedy. Hunt told them he was approached by the conspirators to join them but declined, they say. That information was cut from the memoir, the brothers say, because Hunt's attorney warned he could face perjury charges if he recanted sworn testimony. Hunt also had assured Laura before they married in 1977 that he had nothing to do with the assassination.

The reporter adds, "The materials they offer to substantiate their story, examined by the Los Angeles Times, are inconclusive." Jokestress 22:30, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] flight 553 crash

The article says that no suspicious material came out of the investigations.

It is known, that some White House source informed Lawrence O´Connor who took just that flight from Washington to Chicago, almost each week, not to join it that day.

Charles Colson, who was one of the "tricky Dick´s" personal staff, also for peculiar jobs, highly involved in Watergate, told a Time Magazin reporter in 1974, the following: "I think they killed Dorothy Hunt". Dorothy Hunt was the wife of E. Howard Hunt, one of the Watergate-"plumbers", who pleaded guilty, after his wife beeing killed in the crash.

Also on board was the CBS reporter Michelle Clark. She travelled with D. Hunt, doing an interview with her. One day before the flight, she anounced that the story [given to her by D. Hunt] would "destroy Nixon".

Survivor of the crash was Harold Metcalf, a DEA agent, who was seen climbing out the plane, dressed in a flight suit. How came that a passenger wore that type of clothing?

Michael Stevens of Stevens Research Labs in Chicago, who had prepared eavesdropping devices for the White House "plumbers", said that D. Hunt´s "death was a homicide", telling that he also was threatened, anonymously.

Even before arriving airport rescue team, a "battalion of plain clothes operatives" where seen taking controll of the planes wreck, said eyewitnesses from the neighbourhood. They´de been waiting there, even before the crash, showing up in cars "unmarked". Later FBI admited, that they came there, "arriving even before airport rescue personnel" - a fact tecnically imposible without having been there waiting.

The accident was provoced by a tripple error, absolutly impossible: 1.) All the planes cockpit tecnology failed, on the way down to the targeted airplane, 2.) the runway´s Visual Range Recorder shutted off, 3.) the outer marker system of the airport shutted down also. All that in the same moment and just for the minutes untill flight 553 had crashed - later on the systems did work again and without faults.

Not only possibly much larger sum of money, than the $ 10.000,- mentioned by FBI, did disapear from the wreck when FBI personal controlled the scene, but also a briefcase with highly explosive documents of Northern Natural Gas Co., carried by Carl Kruger, who also died on that plane. The papers were to reveal corruption by Nixon´s Attorney General, John Mitchell.

The article is right in saying that the investigation reports, by Egil Krogh, Nixon´s chief "plumber" who took controll of FAA and NTSB a few hours after the crash, said that there was no suspicious, but the article should tell the hereby listed facts (or more), to avoid, that 1972´s Nixon cover up of just another mayor crime of the US politician-inteligence-banker-oilmen-establishment still is hold up after more than 3 decades. Killing all progresive figures in our history, bombing out half of the world since WW II finished, just to asure our buiseness, at least we should be able to stand to our Mafia-like form of governing by threat and murder. --bushboy 16:00, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for not adding this to this talk page's article. If you can document it (and don't get murdered for suspicion of being a progressive) it's not impossible for it to become a separate article.
--Jerzy·t 19:20, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
bushboy, you devote this much time & effort to COINTELPRO, the assassination of Fred Hampton, Óscar Romero and other such incidents? -- LamontCranston 22:19, 5 Oct 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Libel Suit

If there was a second trial, there has to have been an appeal in between. An appeal is not a second trial. Failure to mention appeal detracts from the clarity and credibility of the passage.
--Jerzy·t 19:20, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Victor Marchetti was the author of the story in Spotlight, not Mark Lane. 66.245.12.99 22:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC) David Fox

[edit] texas?

Why on earth is is part of a project on Texas? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.55.141.119 (talk) 01:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] JFK conspiracy

Moved this to talk page:

The Rockefeller Commission of the U.S. Congress, in 1974, regarded Hunt and Watergate burglar Frank Sturgis as suspects in the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Support for this claim came from a figure from the 1960s counterculture, Kerry Thornley, who believed that on several occasions from 1961 to 1963 he had conversed with Hunt (whom Thornley claimed used the alias "Gary Kirstein") about plans to assassinate Kennedy, while Thornley was living in New Orleans. Newsweek magazine reported and printed photographs of two men similar in appearance to Hunt and Sturgis who were detained at the grassy knoll shortly after the assassination. The article stated the official reports that the men were released as "railroad bums" who had found shelter sleeping in the boxcars of the trains located near the grassy knoll. According to the article, the men were released without further inquiry; readers were invited to draw their own conclusions from the pictures published.
Many conspiracists thought two of the tramps to be Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis, although several other men were also identified as tramps. The mystery was apparently solved in the early 1990s when researcher Mary LaFontaine discovered documents identifying the men as Harold Doyle, John Forester Gedney, and Gus W. Abrams. Both the F.B.I. and independent researchers confirmed the identifications.[1]

This needs better sourcing. According to the one source, this conspiracy theory was debunked. At best a footnote. Jokestress 02:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

he died, sumone needs to put that up —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.244.43.200 (talk • contribs).

Moving this to the talk page as well:

It is curious to note, that not only was Hunt a "Watergate Plumber," but almost a decade earlier he was accused, though never proved, of being one of the "Three Dealy Plaza Tramps" in the rail yard behind the grassy knoll. Additionally, years later when he was jailed for his watergate activities, Hunt demanded a one million dollar payoff to "keep his mouth shut" over what Nixon said was "the whole Bay of Pigs thing" - which many believe to be psuedo-speak for the "Kennedy assassination." This has lead to the speculation that the crash of the plane which carried his wife, and the subsequent recovery of a large sum of cash in the wreckage, speaks to the possibility that it was not an accident but a "silencing."

Again, reliable sources required. Jokestress 01:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Texas?

I would be curious to know why the Howard Hunt article would be part of a project on Texas. Editdroid 19:02, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

My guess is because of conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination. See information above removed from article for discussion. Pretty tenuous if you ask me. Jokestress 19:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
If that is the case I'd say it's tenuous to the point of absurdity. Editdroid 02:42, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fidel, Che Guevara, and Bay of Pigs

First, I believe Hunt's date of birth is well established as 10/9/1918. The article lists date of birth with a question mark.

Second, this article could be much improved by including a few additional facts. For one thing, they would make Hunt's importance in the Cold War made clearer. They are fact which also highlight his involvement in U.S. role in Latin America over the last 60 years.

Hunt was CIA station chief in Mexico City. His role in organizing the Bay of Pigs fiasco is pointed out as is reference to Watergate. However, the Watergate information should include some clearer reference to time (year, context). In addition, it is important to understand why Hunt says the break-in happened--again the Cuban obsession--to find out if rumors that McGovern's campaign had received contribution from Fidel Castro were true.

In addition, Hunt played a central role in the death of another Cuban figure of continuing global significance--Che Guevara. The CIA and Bolivian Army monitored Guevara's radio communications via radios that Hunt feed to the guerrillas through his CIA contacts.

With approval, I can provide references to these pieces of information for inclusion. 24.41.66.249 16:46, 27 January 2007 (UTC) Tayacan

[edit] Recently deceased tag

The tag says, "Some information, such as the circumstances of the person's death and surrounding events, may change rapidly as more facts become known." Puhleeeeeze. The man is dead. Period. Nothing is "likely" to change, let alone "rapidly", and if it does, so what? Just change the info in the article, dude. Please read this essay on tags for a better explanation of just how stupid this is (though the author of the essay is much more diplomatic than I am being right now). This tag serves no purpose other than making some editor feel important for being able to contribute something to an article on which he otherwise likely knows very little. And besides, even if this kind of tag ever served any purpose, it has now been over three weeks. What is the limit on what constitutes "recently" deceased? Look, we are not writing a newspaper, we are writing an encyclopedia. If you don't know the difference, then perhaps you shouldn't be working here. Unschool 20:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I admit it. I'm in a rotten mood today. I apologize for my rude language. Such language is never helpful, and it is especially unnecessary on such a small matter. I still feel that this tag serves no purpose here, but will discuss it more civily in the future. Sorry! Unschool 20:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spotlight Magazine

Why isn't the trial against Spotlight Magazine mentioned ? You would think this was a major event in his life, considering that he lost the case. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 91.149.12.201 (talk) 01:46, 10 March 2007 (UTC).

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