Talk:Dyspraxia
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I have just created the dyspraxia page, and it is my first contribution. I'd like some help with making sure it fits in with the concept of wikipedia, and that it is NPOV enough! Thanks - PurpleHeather 22:36, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The only NPOV problem I see with the page is the mention of the UK. I'm not quite sure what is meant by "support agencies" is this context, but I doubt they only exist in the UK, and if there aren't any mentions of UK-specific agencies then there's no reason to mention the UK. I'm not going to change it myself since I have no knowledge of the subject and don't know what the intended meaning was, so what I put in place might not be accurate. Isomorphic 05:28, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Theres no intro paragraph, but other than that its OK.
Oh, and as goes support agencies, they could easily be UK only - its not even recognised as existing in the Republic of Ireland. I've got some level of dyspraxia, but as it "doesn't exist", its ingored by schools, etc/ Kiand 17:45, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] Support Agencies, Uk and Ireland
Sorry if this is covered in article, I am attempting to share knowledge with Kiand
I am a 55 y.o. male who discovered dyspraxia about 5 years ago. Sometimes referred to as DCD for Development Coordination disorder. There is Dyspraxia Foundation in UK but they tend to concentrate on kids and families. Because of tremendous overlap with other related conditions there are some multi ND (neuro diverse) organiasations for adults. I do not know about Ireland. In UK there is D.A.N.D.A. (I can never remember what the iniytials actually stand for but they have a web page. there are also about 300 or more of these characters in a Yahoo Discussion Board that has links and info for things all round the world and some very knowledgeable members. I'll attempt to post a link, I regret I have yet to understand the Wiki way of linking but in it's raw form, cut and pasted, try going to http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Dyspraxia as a start. It is a members only site but the moderators usually deal with applications in a day or so, sometimes in hours ( I used to be one!)
[edit] Citations and clean-up needed
"In spite of this, Dyspraxics are usually of average or above-average intelligence." - phrases like there are around the article and need citations. This one is particularly posionous because it encourages the view that dyspraxia isn't a actual disability, merely somthing educational researchers made up as an excuse. It also ignores the large amount of undiagnosed dyspraxics that were ignored because they didn't have the right background for it to be noticed 85.210.8.223 21:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. Dyspraxia is a SpLD (specific learning difficulty) so it does not affect overall IQ &/or ability, it just affects particular aspects of development. In my family, unusually high IQ & dyspraxia are associated - nearly everyone with dyspraxia in my family also has a postgraduate degree. The view that dyspraxia is associated with below-average intelligence is potentially damaging in two ways - it can prevent people who are otherwise obviously able from obtaining appropriate help, and it can mean that people diagnosed with dyspraxia are treated as globally learning-disabled when they can be very able in other areas.
(PLEASE sign your edits with 4 tildes so its easy to see who edited what) I deleted the quote anyway, because I couldn't find any formal text from the official sources that could back it up. I was using it as an example of original research that seems dominant in that section of the entry. I am trying to fix this by finding citations for the parts that do have basis in psychological study. Arthmelow 01:40, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
"Madeline Portwood makes the distinction that dyspraxia is not due to a general medical condition, but that it may be due to immature neuron development." who is Madeline Portwood? 85.210.8.223 19:29, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Madeleine Portwood: Specialist senior educational psychologist working for Durham County Council Educational Psychological Service. Specialises in children with emotional and behavioural disorders as well as 'Early Years' (pre 5)child development. Previous trustee of the Dyspraxia Foundation.
I've started by marking out the comments that need citations. I know some of it is on the dyspraxia foundation website or other places, and I also think some of it smacks of original research, and some of it I experience as a dyspraxic myself, but original research is not part of wikipedia, so we either need to find a proper source, or it has to go. 85.210.8.223 19:39, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
The "Developmental Profiles" needs to be changed so it emphasises that dyspraxia is a life long disorder, not merely a childhood one. Possibly have a profile then have a heading about the typical symptoms during childhood?85.210.8.223 19:47, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
DSM & ICD-10 have it down as a 'developmental disorder' so problems have to be apparent during childhood to obtain a diagnosis. However, I agree - not enough emphasis is given to the fact that dyspraxic children grow up to be dyspraxic adults.
"Role of support agencies Within the United Kingdom there are several agencies that are able to support children with dyspraxia. They may provide reports on the child’s progress" We possibly need to explain that outside the UK dyspraxia is often not seen wholeistically and is diagnosed as DCD, or Developmental Coordination Disorder, and in some of Europe it is called DAMP (Deficits in Attention, Motor Control and Perception) and is sometimes used to describe people who have signs of both DCD and Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD). Possibly have DCD link to the dyspraxia page and explain that DCD is almost a subset of dyspraxia, focusing mainly on the physical side of things? 85.210.8.223 19:52, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
DAMP is also diagnosed in the UK - theoretically it is broader, practically there's very little difference except that DAMP overlaps more with ADHD so Ritalin is prescribed more often.
I have searched for citation for the "general diffuculties" section, and have been unsuccessful, but can confirm it to be mainly true (i am dyspraxic myself) so im sure there will be a mention someware --Kitten 21:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
The problem is that wikipedia has a "no original research" policy: so we *need* to find citations for the statements, even if we do agree that they are true. I think there are tonnes in the links, we just need to find them :-) Arthmelow 21:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Limited geographic scope
I think this article has a huge bias towards the UK in general.--HisSpaceResearch 00:54, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes this is true. Not really sure what to do to fix it currently. Arthmelow 22:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC) Thinking about it, the last "role of support agencies" is the main bit that needs globalisation. The rest isn't as bad Arthmelow 22:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I have found a few US based links which may help matters. It seems that Apraxia is the more standard name in the states, although a few use the term "dyspraxia". The main problem seems to be that it is under the NVLD umbrella there Arthmelow 19:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Ignore previous comment, have been put right! Have removed the strongly UK-based section of the article Arthmelow 17:24, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Merge with Apraxia
It seems that "apraxia" is more prevalant in the United States and "dyspraxia" is more prevalent in the UK, Ireland, Australia and New Zealand. Discussion over how and if we do it below please. Arthmelow 20:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
RE: Merge with Apraxia: Please don't! Apraxia is a symptom, rather than a specific condition, and can be defined as an inabilty to plan and sequence motor tasks (one definition - others are simlar). Apraxia may been in all sort of different conditions - inlcuding stroke and dementia. The "A-" prefix before the 'praxia' bit mean 'absence of'. The same actually applies to the term 'dyspraxia' - i.e. the word refers to a symptom caused by many things, rather than a specifc condition. The 'dys' in dysprxia means disordered or dysfunctional (as opposed to absent. Agruably the dyspraxia page itself should probably be relabelled "Development co-ordination disorder" (or whatever term you prefer) since it is a specific disease / syndrome that is being written about here - rather than just the the symptom 'dyspraxia'. In practice the word 'dyspraxia' is not often used in its strict sense (i.e. to describe a milder version of apraxia), which is why its has been able to be used as a label for 'development coordination disorder'. Don't confuse diseases with symptoms. (Jon, Lecturer in Medicine, UK)
I'm having difficulty finding sources: I may have jumped the gun a bit on the 50th page of google results. Merge tags are removed, and thank you if you did the introduction rewrite! Arthmelow 17:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
