Talk:Dwarf (Middle-earth)

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"he Dwarvish language, called Khuzdûl and created by Aulë, sounds much like Hebrew, and one may draw the similarities between the Dwarves and the Jews even farther."

I am curious as to how Dwarvish is like Hebrew...as far as I recall there is very little Dwarvish in the books, and Tolkien just didn't create a full language for them. And what other similaritiess are there with "the Jews"? Adam Bishop 05:48, 14 Aug 2003 (UTC)

The Dwarvish language is (IIRC) based on three-letter roots, like Hebrew and Arabic. Also, some folks think "Khazad" sounds like "Khazar". The obvious antisemitic stereotypes get in there, too. *shrug* It's overanalyzing, is what it is. --FOo 15:02, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I've removed it from the article. Notes on how Khuzdul resembles Hebrew may be at place in Khuzdul, not here. And we don't want any comparisons between Dwarves and Jews: gem hoarding, beards, etc.—could get nasty fast. — Jor 15:13, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Tolkien's own opinion on the matter is now in the article. The letter was to the person in charge of the Lord of the Rings radio dramatization, and the forn of the reply, especially the part about accents, does make me think that the question was about similarities between Khuzdul and Hebrew. — No-One Jones (talk) 15:18, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Removed to Khuzdul. Speculation on how Dwarves resemble Jews is not wanted here I believe, as it was mainly a philological musing by JRRT. — Jor 15:19, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)

No quarrel with that. — No-One Jones (talk) 15:20, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Did Tolkien ever really call them dwarrows? --Aranel 01:39, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

After looking it up in Letters and Appendix F, I've updated the article with information the term dwarrows and the origin of the term dwarves. Dwarrows is never used to refer to Tolkien's Dwarves, so I removed it from the opening of the article and did not put it in bold text. --[[User:Aranel|Aranel ("Sarah")]] 21:22, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It is used in proper names, such as "Dwarrowdelf" as an alternate name for Moria.

Contents 1 Moved back 2 Female Dwarves beards 3 Move 4 Seven Hammers?

[edit] Moved back

Moved back to the plural, for consistency with other articles. (And for the vast majority of links) [[User:Anárion|Image:Anarion.png]] 22:02, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Female Dwarves beards

Just what Book and comment states that female Dwarves have beards? I've read they're so alike in appearance does not mean they do have them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 143.200.225.101 (talk • contribs) .

"For the Naugrim have beards from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike." - The War of the Jewels, The Later Quenta Silmarillion: Of the Naugrim and the Edain

--CBD _☎ ^✉ 15:59, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, in that same section, there is stated a belief among men that dwarves spring from stone, or such. That appears to come from the movie, and thus is non-canonical. I doubt any Tolkein book mentions that (unless perhaps an appendix?), but encourage someone to similarly name a Tolkein source if they can.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.19.179.224 (talk • contribs).

I remember reading it in Lord of the Rings. - Mike Rosoft 12:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

The relevant quote LOTR quote (from Talk:Bearded lady):

"It was said by Gimli that there are few dwarf-women, probably no more than a third of the whole people. They seldom walk abroad except at great need. They are in voice and appearance, and in garb if they must go on a journey, so like to dwarf-men that the eyes and ears of the other peoples cannot tell them apart. This has given rise to the foolish opinion among Men that there are no dwarf-women and that the Dwarves 'grow out of stone.'" ROTK Appendix A III Durin's folk.

Mike Rosoft 10:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Seven Hammers?

I'm fairly sure seven magical hammers were never mentioned in the Silmarillion, much less hammers which could summon Aule(!), and as far as I can tell this is the only page on the net that mentions such items. Looks a bit bogus to me.

(I guess it might fit with some of the weird stuff in earlier drafts of Tolkien's tales, but in that case I don't think it would be canon...)

VERY Bogus. I can't even recall such a reference in HoME (History of Middle Earth) by Christopher Tolkien. Without verification, this needs to go.

02:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I have taken the liberty of removing the section entitled "Seven Hammers", but I encourage the original contributor to submit a reference, if it exists.

Sincerely, --Thrombur 08:08, 7 March 2007 (UTC)