Talk:Duval County, Florida

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I removed the following sentence: During the course of 2006, it will surpass Indianapolis as America's 12th largest city with a population of approximately 810,000 residents. First of all, what is 'it'? If 'it' is Jacksonville then this belongs in the Jacksonville article. If 'it' is Duval County, well, Duval County isn't a city. Onyourside 17:50, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I fixed the erroneous presidential election data, but someone decided to revert to the prior version. My numbers are from Dave Leip's authoritative Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections, in which all of the information is meticulously sourced, so I know they are correct (besides, had Bush really gotten only 50% in Duval County in 2000, Gore would have carried the state without a recount being plausible. I'm going to resubmit the change. AuH2ORepublican 21:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, I guess that the Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections, http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/, is not considered a "relible source" (someone should tell the thousands of political professionals who pay for its premium content), so I went to the Duval County Supervisor of Elections website and confirmed that the numbers I had gotten from the Atlas for 2004 and 2000 were indeed correct. Here are the numbers for 2004: http://www.duvalelections.com/ERSummary.aspx?eid=9 and here are the ones for 2000: http://www.duvalelections.com/Election.aspx?eid=2 BTW, the Duval elections site only goes back to 2000, so I *did not* change the incorrect results for prior elections (which, BTW, were input without a source by whomever it was that did so). AuH2ORepublican 16:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I have taken the sources mentioned by AuH2ORepublican in his edit summaries and properly cited them in the article. The whole point is that sources need to be cited in the article to be of any value. It is sad that these sources are also the first to be cited in this article. -- Donald Albury 12:31, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Mr. Albury. I finally grasp what the problem with my post was. The fact that none of the (incorrect) election data that had been included in the article had cited a source made me think that it was not necessary to include a footnote with a source in order to correct them. I apologize again for the misunderstanding. AuH2ORepublican 15:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Mr. Albury, I have corrected the electoral results for 1988-1996 and cited the specific page of the Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections as the source. However, I'm not sure what non-"premium members" of uselectionatlas.org may see when they click on the link (I see the complete results for Duval County for each election, but then again I'm a "premium member"). If the source does not meet with Wikipedia's sourcing policies because it is not accessible to all, I would urge you to either (i) make an exception and leave them as I edited them, since they are correct and verifiable by anyone willing to pay $25 to become a premium member of that site or (ii) delete the voting results for each of 1988, 1992 and 1996 altogether, since it's better not to include any results for those elections than to include the risible "results" that were there before I fixed them (BTW, not only was the info provided for 1992 overstate Bush's percentage in the county by more than 10%, it gave him a vote percentage that he did not come close to achieving in any county in the state in 1992, when Perot got close to 20% statewide). AuH2ORepublican 17:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Best would be to find a more freely accessible source, even if off-line (i.e., a library book). Leave the uselectionatlas.org link for now. Maybe someone will find a more accessible source. -- Donald Albury 03:12, 14 February 2007 (UTC)