Talk:Dutch Reformed Church

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[edit] Famous Dutchies?

http://www.ipl.org/div/potus/mvanburen.html says that US president Martin Van Buren was a member of the Dutch Reformed religion. There may be other famous members worth mentioning.

[edit] Most direct descendant?

There are many "descendants" to the Dutch Reformed in the US. Is it really proper to say any one of them is the "most direct" descendant? I think that the reference to descendant churches in the US is fine, but this should be limited to giving examples of large or well-known churches. Thoughts? --KKL 22:21, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] State religion?

"Contrary to popular belief it was never a 'state religion', although the law demanded that every person in a public position should be a communicant member of the Dutch Reformed Church. Relations between governments and the Church were fairly intimate."

This is confusing and contradictory. Some religions which are accepted as "state religions" (e.g., the Church of England) are not compulsory for public office holders. Wulfilia 01:21, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, membership of the Church of England definitely was compulsory for officeholders for quite a long time. Apart from that, I would be interested to hear how you would rephrase this sentence. The formal dutch expression during the days of the Republic was that the Dutch Reformed Church was the 'Publieke Religie' , the public religion. But this did not extend any further than that the Church was privileged over others, and that the government kept a tab on church proceedings, i.e. barring National Synods for meeting for over 200 years. --Isolani 11:50, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, C. of E. membership may indeed have been compulsory at various times, but not for a century, and yet it's still acknowledged as the state religion. As to how I might rephrase the sentence, what about:

"Although some take issue with the proposition, the Dutch Reformed Church was in effect a 'state religion', and the law demanded that every person in a public position should be a communicant member. There were close relations between governments and the Church hierarchy."

Wulfilia 11:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I can live with the above rephrase, but would not speak of a Church 'hierarchy' as we are talking of a synodal, not an episcopal, church with there being, technically at least, no hierarchy. --Isolani 12:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)