Talk:Dune in popular culture

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[edit] Phantasm

The original Phantasm copies the "no fear, put your hand in the box". Enda80 23:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)Enda80

[edit] Pruning

Okay, I've deleted all "appears similar to" items in this list that aren't sourced as being actually related to the Dune Universe. I don't believe the following count as a "popular culture reference" unless they are explicitly mentioned by the creators, or those associated as being inspired, have Dune-specific terminology used, or are otherwise explicitly derivative of Dune:

  • The simple presence of sandworms on a desert planet. These are ubiquitous, and have pre-existed Dune. Attributing every single reference to Dune is like attributing every single use of Tolkien-esque elves to the Lord of the Rings.
  • Fighting worms which appear similar to those from Dune.
  • Having a plot, or plot elements similar to Dune.
  • Having organizations, or a universe with similarities to Dune.
  • Involving desert in some way.

Seriously, this kind of unverifiable OR is detrimental to the encyclopedia, and you need to cite your sources when doing this kind of thing. --Haemo 09:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree in principle that everything "similar to" an equivalent element of Dune wasn't necessarily inspired by it (like anything taking place in a desert or featuring worms). However, a work with similar significant plot points, organizations etc. should be considered somewhat derivative if these particular elements aren't necessarily universal. Of course, this entire article is borderline original research, so I strongly agree that citations are indeed important when drawing these conclusions.
By the way, which pre-Dune works have featured sandworms on a desert planet? If your assertion is true, they should be noted somewhere as influencing Herbert, because sandworms are so synonymous with his work in the genre. If he in fact "invented" the concept, I feel that subsequent works featuring desert sandworms in similar situations should be noted here. I've collected some of the deleted refs below in the event that some may be reintroduced into the article in some form. But of course, just a battle-worm in a game isn't necessarily Dune-inspired enough to include (although hey, who else do you think made worms ferocious?!). TAnthony 20:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
  • The Star Wars film series (which began in 1977) contains a number of elements arguably inspired by Dune. The planet Tatooine is completely covered by desert; one of its species, the Tusken Raiders, shares some traits with the Fremen, such as wearing moisture-retaining clothing and masks and living a semi-primitive existence in the desert. Also, the vehicles used by the Jawa race are named "sandcrawlers", like the harvesting vehicles used in Dune. In A New Hope, Luke Skywalker (who, like Paul Atreides, has a Biblical name) remarks on the giant worms in the desert of Tatooine. In addition, the Sarlacc, in its original incarnation in Return of the Jedi, bears a resemblance to the sandworms described in Dune, with multiple rows of teeth and a large, round mouth. Jabba the Hutt also bears a passing similarity to Leto Atreides II in God Emperor of Dune. Both resemble worms with almost useless appendages and a human-like face at the forefront of their worm-like structure.
  • In the 1988 Tim Burton film Beetlejuice, sandworms exist on Saturn, presented as a desert planet to which the dead are transported if they leave the location of their "hauntings." * In the 1990 film Tremors, a small town in Nevada is beset by a number of giant worms which bear a resemblance to those in Dune. They have large round mouths full of sharp teeth, move quickly under the sand, and respond to vibrations on the surface.
  • In the video game Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, one of the optional missions takes place on a desert planet with giant worms.
  • In the game Gabriel Knight 3: Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned, the title character comes across someone using a seismic monitoring device resembling a thumper and remarks "Help, a giant worm is coming!" when a certain conversation choice (represented by an icon resembling a Sandworm) is selected.
  • StarCraft features a scenery piece for desert maps, consisting of the skeleton of a massive three-jawed worm, which resembles a Dune worm.

[edit] Television reference - SNL

Someone can add this reference? I'm not very secure to add stuff on wikipedia, I don't really know how to do it, meet the standard.

On the show Saturday Night Live (SNL), I don't know from which episode, I see the clip on a Dune site, I don't know where, long time ago. You can find the transcript there. George W. Bush (play by Will Ferrell) is being advized by Dick Cheney and Condoleezza Rice.

Condoleeza Rice: You have a meeting with Ali Abdullah Salay.

President George W. Bush: Another Abdullah.

Condoleeza Rice: Yeah.

President George W. Bush: That's three. You thought I wasn't paying attention, now did you? Where's this one from?

Condoleeza Rice: Yemen.

President George W. Bush: Good one, but I'm not that stupid. You mean Fremen.

Dick Cheney: No, it's Yemen. "Fremen" is from the science fiction book Dune!

President George W. Bush: Ok, fair enough.

Condoleeza Rice: And you're going to need to contact Mubarak.

President George W. Bush: Yemen?

Dick Cheney: Egypt!

President George W. Bush: Damn it! Nancy.Gallant 04:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it's from the episode on May 11, 2002. Nancy.Gallant 04:24, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

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