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Contents 1 (Unamed Header) 2 Stub and expand request 3 Non-trivial errors in Trivia secn 4 Merge wii into duck hunt 5 Commercial? 6 Stop spamming your damn webcomic 7 Is that really the best boxshot we can find? 8 GA on hold 9 Passed GA 10 Easier on Smaller TV's

[edit] (Unamed Header)

The part about the game "not having an ending" may not be completely true. At our dorm, we had a guy who played the skeet shooting all way to round 99 (the round # only supports 2 digits). When he moved on to the next round, the game moved to round #00, and glitched. The clay pigeons moved at half-speed, but only proceeded half-way up the screen before disappearing. He was caught unaware, and thus his round ended there. This has only been done the one time here, so we are unsure as to whether it's supposed to happen this way or if it's a glitch. --KoopaTroopa211 00:59, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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What does this have to do with the Rape of Nanking? Bastie 22:26, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Good question. I don't know what that means. I removed it for now. Andre (talk) 23:13, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Stub and expand request

This article seems long enough that it's not a stub anymore. I removed the expand request because the article is not a stub and no requests to expand a particular section were made either on the talk page or WP:RFE. If someone wants a section in particular expanded, please feel free to put the expand request back with a note. --Pagrashtak 17:27, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Non-trivial errors in Trivia secn

Changing

* On Comedy Central's The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, this game was used as a "digital simulation" of a duck-hunting trip between Donald Rumsfeld and Justice Anton Scalia.

to read

... duck-hunting trip between Dick Cheney and ...

bcz those two were the hunters, and Rummy only joined them for dinner. (FWIW, i had the advantage over the previous author, of not only being sure how to pronounce Scalia's name -- which the other may well have known but given up on -- but also being able to ask someone who knows that Dvořák's given name is not spelled "Antonine". Yikes!)
--Jerzy•t 02:32, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge wii into duck hunt

I say No. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 11:42, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I also say No. Why make 2 games share one page? Unless you want all mario games to share the same page... --Jairhart 04:40, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I suggested the merge because of the revelation that the so-called Duck Hunt sequel was just a tech demo, and that there is no evidence that a sequel to Duck Hunt is even being considered for release. I just thought that in light of that fact, Duck Hunt Wii doesn't really deserve its own page, and should be merged into Duck Hunt. But it seems I am holding the minority opinion. Dancter 05:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

No, I would Support. Morgan Wick 06:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I also say No.--DivineShadow218 00:50, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I guess that's that. Dancter 01:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think a tech demo should have it's own page, so I would support any merger. TJ Spyke 03:45, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I also would Support a merge. Alan 15:06, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Commercial?

I seem to remember the game being used in a commercial in the 80's. I forgot long ago what the product was, but it involved a heavyset man in an armchair playing the game and talking to the camera. it wasn't for anything to do with video games, but the game was used as a humor piece. does anybody else remember this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.161.104.34 (talk • contribs) 16:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stop spamming your damn webcomic

I don't give a damn how awesome you think that webcomic is, it is nothing approaching anything of encyclopedic value. It's a worthless link, it's not "popular" culture by a long shot, it's subtrivial linkspam. - Hahnchen 15:15, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is that really the best boxshot we can find?

Seriously... It has fingerprints and dust all over. ANYBODY? NO? DUST.--The last sheikah 21:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't like it either and I found a picture here, but my computer doesn't let me upload any pictures and I don't know why. If you could do it, that would be great.--Clyde Miller 22:45, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA on hold

Just a few things that I believe need attention before this can become a GA:

• In the "Gameplay" section; there is some confusing prose. I still cannot figure out whether you shoot clay pigeons and ducks in the same mode or whether they were seperate modes in the game. Please clarify this. Done
• Also in the gameplay section:

In the case of Clay Pigeon shooting it doesn't continue forever either. After level 99, the player advanced to level "00". On level "00" you can shoot giant Clay Pigeons. And after that it loops to level 1 again.

I dare say there is some clumsy prose in there. There are too many uses of the word "it". There are also past-tense/present-tense conflicts. Suggested fix:

The Clay Pigeon mode also does not continue forever. Upon completing level 99, the player advances to level "00", which contains giant pigeons for the player to shoot. After completing this level, the game restarts at level 1 again. Done

This would work dependent on two things. The aformentioned question about the "Clay Pidgeon" mode, and whether the game loops (i.e. keeps the player's score accumulated from the previous rotation), or simply restarts (i.e. resets the player's score to zero). A little clarification would be nice here.

I took care of the mode problem, but I don't remember about the starting over.

That's all right. Don't worry about it. Green451 23:26, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

• Also in the gameplay section, please provide a citation that states that there is an urban legend about shooting the dog. Done
• There is no section about the game's origins and development. While I realize that there may not be so much information on that topic, it at least seems worth a brief mention, which would be more than what is currently said about it.

I have combed the Earth twice for anything about Duck Hunt development, and it doesn't exist. I have looked everywhere. I don't think I missed something, but there was a lot about developements going on about Duck Hunt season, so it's possible.

I did a bit of digging for you, and found that Duck Hunt was developed at Nintendo R&D1 under the supervision of Takehiro Izushi. I found this info in this article, and a few others here or there confirm this. The trick is to do a google search with quotes, such as "Duck Hunt" Nintendo development, which was the search I did. If you could somehow work into the article that little is known about the game's development except that it was developed at Nintendo R&D1 under the supervision of Takehiro Izushi...you get the point. Green451 02:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC) Done

• The following statement:

Video Game Critic reviewed the game in 2004, and didn't like the game either. They gave it a D and said "there's really not much substance to it." and "Overall Duck Hunt is pretty lame, and only worth playing for a trip down memory lane."

This could be possibly stated more effectively. Suggested fix:

Video Game Critic, another online site, revewed the game in 2004 and was not very impressed, giving the game a "D" rating and stating "there's really not much substance to it...Overall Duck Hunt is pretty lame, and only worth playing for a trip down memory lane." Done

• As an additional note, please provide a direct link to the Video Game Critic review in your citation, rather than simply the address of the home page.

you found out my problem on your own.

• I'm not too happy about the use of IMDb pages as citations, as IMDb also relies on user-contributed material, which can be incorrect in some cases. If you can, find an alternative citation (such as the composer's official website, etc.) which contains his credit list. In the event you cannot, the IMDb reference can be kept, I suppose.

Tanaka has no official website, but if you like this or this better I could out it in instead. Otherwise I think that IMDb is all I got.

The first alternate website (starmen.net) looks good to me. I would go with that one. Green451 17:16, 10 December 2006 (UTC) Done

It's a very long list, I know, but most of these are simple fixes, and the prose, with the exception of the above-mentioned problems, looks fine to me. Happy editing, Green451 03:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I have stuck my first round of done templates and questions.--Clyde Miller 17:07, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm adding a few more things as an addendum:

• Now that I look at it, I believe it would help if you flipped the sentences about the game never ending and the part about the game having three modes. For some reason, I completely missed that part when I was reading it over at first, and the references to modes before it is explained how many there are, etc. is a little bit awkward. Done
• Spelling mistake: deo Game Critic Done
• I figured out why you linked to the main Video Game Critic page instead of the review. The link to the actual Duck Hunt review, which I figured out after a bit of searching, is: http://www.videogamecritic.net/nesce.htm#Duck_Hunt Done
• Per the style guidelines for computer and video games (found here), all descriptions of the gameplay should be in the present tense, and second-person pronouns (i.e. "you") should be avoided. "The player" should be used instead. Done
• Can you convert all of the web references over to Template:Cite web? That is the standard citation format used for web references. See Psycho (1960 film) for an idea of what I'm talking about. Done

I'll start working on that, but that will take a little while.

As an additional note, could you include the publisher field in the cite web templates? You would just have to put in the name of the website, i.e. IGN, Video Game Critic, etc. As well, the format and work paramaters (with the exception of the Flash document, in which you should put Flash in the format field) are not needed. Green451 17:59, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

With any luck, there won't be too many more things, and I realize that you are very early in to making the changes. Green451 16:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Replies and questions made.--Clyde Miller 17:07, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Round three:

• The lead states that the game was released in the US in 1984, but the infobox states that its US release was in 1985. I would actually say that the game was "first released in 1984 in Japan." Considering that this is a Japanese game, it seems only fair to say Japan instead of the US. This will also eliminate the cries of U.S. bias that would surely follow. Done
• Three more things that I would like to see citations for: "Duck Hunt was one of the two original pack-in titles for the first release of the game system (the other was Gyromite)", Done "Duck Hunt was available in a standard single cartridge form, but it is somewhat more scarce than the packaged versions.", and "the WarioWare, Inc. series feature microgames based on Duck Hunt several times." Done

As to the single cartridge, it must have been orginal research because no figures or comparisons exist

• It would be nice to see some citations on the level "00" thing. Done

I am starting to have to get really picky, and before you know it, I will be out of things to critique. To be honest with you, this is my first time reviewing a GA nom, so I might get a more experienced reviewer to come in and make sure I'm doing this properly. Thanks, and keep up the good work, Green451 23:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Addendum: I just had my review checked by a more experienced reviewer, and apparantly I am doing fine, and possibly even being a bit too picky! After all the stuff that still has to be done is done, I will probably pass it for GA unless something major crops up at the last minute (I'm sure it won't). Green451 23:28, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Well I think I'm done with all of the suggestions. If there's anything I missed, please add it to the list. Otherwise, I think there is nothing stopping Duck Hunt from GA. Thanks for giving this article the peer review it never had.--Clyde Miller 02:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow, Clyde. You have been incredible making all of these changes. There are just a few more things that need fixing, all minor stuff, and the last standing in the way to GA status. So, I present to you, the final round of suggestions:

• The lead still has past-tense/present-tense conflicts in the parts describing gameplay. Change all of these to present-tense. Done
• In the lead, "that uses the NES Zapper to shoot ducks on screen for points" should be "in which players use the NES Zapper to shoot ducks on screen for points" Done
• Change the developer field in the infobox to Nintendo R&D1. Done
• "players have a special gun apparatus, the Nintendo Zapper Light Gun that they plug into the NES console, and attempt to shoot down" should be "players use a special gun apparatus called the Nintendo Zapper Light Gun that must be plugged into the NES console, and attempt to shoot down" "players utilize the Nintendo Zapper Light Gun plugged into their NES consoles" should be "players utilize the Nintendo Zapper Light Gun that must be plugged into their NES consoles" Done
• "Duck Hunt is also released as an arcade game in 1984" should be "Duck Hunt was also released as an arcade game in 1984". Done
• Can you provide a citation stating that the game does not continue forever when in clay pigeon mode?

No. It's something that is found by playing through the ending was never citied anywhere. Get rid of it if you must, but it's important and can't be citied.

I dumped the sentence. For all I know it's not true. Now I think nothing stands between this article and GA.

• Wikilink Nintendo Research & Development 1. Done
• Wikilink Gunpei Yokoi. Done
• If you can't find a source stating that the game was released as a single cartridge, you should probably remove the whole statement about it. Done
  • Duck Hunt did indeed come on a single cartridge, I saw several as a kid. In fact some NES bundles came with individual copies of SMB and Duck Hunt instead of the combo cart, however the 2-in-1 cartridge was far more common. Draknfyre 07:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
• "The music has been called" should be "The music has been described as" Done
• Provide a citation stating that Duck Hunt is represented in the Video Games Live tour. Done
• "Finally, the WarioWare, Inc. series feature microgames based on Duck Hunt" should be "Finally, games in the WarioWare, Inc. series feature microgames based on Duck Hunt." Remove the word "Finally". Is that the final game which mentions Duck Hunt? Done
• The "Playbility of Wii" section also has past-tense/present-tense conflicts. All statements in this section should be in present-tense. Done
• Reference number 8 (the one to the Flash game) has an improperly formatted date (it should be 2006-09-20), and the format parameter should say "Flash". Done

That's all folks! Once you implement this last set of suggestions, I will promote the article to GA status. How long have you waited for this? I hope it was worth it! Happy editing, Green451 03:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Just as one more note, if you're wondering why I didn't make any of these changes myself when they were so simple...? Well, I'm pretty sure I can't if I want to maintain my distance and review the article for GA, but you probably knew that...anyways, just wanted to let you know. Green451 03:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Update: JimmyBlackwing went through the article and did a through copyedit which changed or eliminated some of my suggestions above. I have gone and marked the stuff he fixed with the done template. The stuff that is not marked "done" still needs to be done. And, in addition don't forget to make sure that everything that can be wikilinked is wikilinked. Green451 17:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

After 5.5 hours and something like 40 edits, I made all corrections. Anything else, add it, otherwise I'm done. BTW, you may want to make sure you look at the differences between GA and FA. I've seen them, and they're vast. I wasn't gonna go for FA with this, but you've made me think twice with all the work I've been doing. The thing that makes me lean toward no is that it took me 200+ edits to get an article featured.--Clyde Miller 01:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Passed GA

Congrats, Clyde. I have promoted the article to GA as all of my suggestions (and there were a lot of them, I know) have been implemented. Thanks for making all of the changes with pretty much no fuss. Being new at this, I wasn't sure what I was going to get from people by critisizing their articles. My positive interaction with you makes me more eager to do more reviews on other GA noms, for other people. You're right when you said that I might have been leaning more toward FA quality, and this is because I hung around WP:FAC for a long time and got familiar with the criteria there before I ever found out about GA criteria. If you have any more questions, just give me a shout. Cheers, Green451 01:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Easier on Smaller TV's

I remember from playing this game that it was easier A) the smaller the TV; B) the further away you were from the TV. It makes sense because the area the gun paints will expand outward like a cone, meaning that the further away or the smaller the tv, the larger the relative area you are painting. Seems like this is a detail that is interesting enough to go in the article, under the gameplay section. Probably need some way to back it up though.... Micximus 20:13, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll take a look for some sort of reference, but you know what your looking for better than I would. If you give me a website I'll try to add it.--Clyde Miller 21:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't that apply to all lightgun games? If it does, it should instead go to the main lightgun article. --Mika1h 20:01, 16 December 2006 (UTC)