Talk:Dubingiai

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Contents 1 Historical demographics 2 Kazimieras GARŠVA 3 Town or village 4 A monument 5 Lithuanian references

[edit] Historical demographics

About Dubingiai. I haven't found data, how much Poles lived in in the village itself. It had about 300 inhabitants before WW II. But the situation there was something like this: Dubingiai parish consisted of approx. 3600 catholics (so, Poles and Lithuanians;- Jews and others are not included). In this region to South West from Vilnius ~50% of catholics considered themselves Poles and the rest ~50% - Lithuanians. However data from different sources vary, plus to it there was big percent of undecided men (till 1918-20).

I can't say it's NPOV, what you wrote, but we must accept, that all this situation was not specific exclusively to a little village, Dubingiai, - it was common for all Central Lithuania (if we look at Central Lithuania, as I proposed in its talk page, as at cultural unit, not only short-aged political). For example, conflicts in churches were typical of quite the all Vilnius region both on Polish side and on Lithuanian.

I think it's better to disambiguate sentence about priests. Studies in priest seminaries in Lithuania till 1918 (and in Vilnius also later) were in Polish language. So, before WW II quite all priests in Lithuania knew polish language. These conflicts mostly were (I speak generally, not specifically) for time and frequency of (sacred) services in one or another language.

But I haven't found data specifically on Dubingiai. Even I doubt, if such data exist in some encyclopedic non-archival form. So I think, its better in this case use more abstract sentences, avoiding concrete statements, which can be incorrect. Some statements must be fined down too. For example, statement about Polish inhabitants and massacre of Lithuanians are not contradictory, when we know, that its spoken about the village with 300 inh. in the first case, and about all parish in the second.

But I afraid, this revising concerns all the article and even its structure. I'd like to pay more attention to it; I think I'll do it a bit later.
Linas 15:13, 2004 May 20 (UTC)

[edit] Kazimieras GARŠVA

Kazimieras GARŠVA is a philologist. Would you be so kind to quote a historian instead? Xx236 14:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

What does it matter? If he has red documents and done research on this topic, he's reliable source. there is no license that distinguish historians and linguists.--Lokyz 14:46, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

"Historian : a student or writer of history; especially : one who produces a scholarly synthesis" --Merriam Webster. So he is historian. Sigitas 18:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

A PhD in history is nice, but we have the sources we have. I suggest noting in article that KG is a philologist and moving on, unless sb can provide souces to cast his reliability in doubht (per WP:RS).-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  22:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Kazimieras GARŠVA is a philologist. One needs two minutes to check it. You may do it if I have myself. Xx236 13:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

'He's Ph.D. in Humanitarian disciplines - i.e. skilled enough to make conclusions from documents.--Lokyz 13:41, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

From which documents? Where does he quote any?Xx236 13:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Take a look here [1] this is Polish author, historian.--Lokyz 13:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure you are proud of the facts? Xx236 14:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure what we are talking about? Where did I say something about being proud? This is encyclopedia, not beauty contest.

So do you believe now that massacre did exist? --Lokyz 14:19, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Town or village

With 260 inhabitants it sounds more like a village to me...-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  16:04, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

A "fortified" village (whatever it means). --Lysy^talk 16:39, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

It's a town. Lithuania has this city - town - village classification, and most of the time it's all based on history and not present-day population. The smallest offcial city has only 325 residents. Renata 01:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, then this one with 260 would be the smallest, wouldn't it?-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  02:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Again, three different things: 1. cities (miestas, 103 as in the list), 2. towns (miestelis, ca. 235), and all sorts of 3. villages (kaimas). Very clear classification. Dubingiai is a miestelis, therefore a town. Renata 02:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A monument

Is there a monument or are the victims commemorated in another way in the village ? --Lysy^talk 20:29, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lithuanian references

Would it be possible to provide exact page numbers in the Lithuanian references ? Right now the page ranges span whole chapters of individual authors. --Lysy^talk 05:26, 11 October 2006 (UTC)