Talk:Dubh Artach

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Placement date: 2007-03-27


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[edit] Co-ordinates

GameKeeper, I have just added the box on the article page, and the co-ords in Nicholson (1995) are slightly different from the ones you added at the top. Yours may well be more accurate. If you believe them to be so could you amend the box accordingly or vice versa? (Nicholson only quotes degree and minutes, no seconds). Thanks, Ben MacDui 16:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I have removed my coords and switched your coord template to add the title coords GameKeeper 16:34, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

In addtion to the photo it would be great if someone knows the source of the painting used as this bookcover.

If its over 100 years old then Template:PD-art may apply. Edit by GameKeeper

I am investigating, but no luck so far. Ben MacDui 12:06, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Mystery solved - according to the NLB the painting is by Sam Bough. I am afraid the title on the image frame is just a guess. However if anyone knows how to get hold of a copy of the original booklet - 'The New Lighthouse on the Dhu Heartach Rock, Argyllshire. Edited with an Introduction by Roger G. Swearingen (1995)' by RLS, which is probably out of print, I'd be pleased to hear from them. I have contacted all four organisations on the cover. None are available in Scotland; no reply from the USA as yet. Ben MacDui (Talk) 21:47, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Copies are currently available in the US. Details on application. Ben MacDui (Talk) 08:46, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Irish Name Dubthaigh

This information is derived from MacFie, Macduffie and Dubthaigh, all of which emanate from the same User source and which link to the web page specified by the Clan Macduffie Society reference. I have not actually read the original documents although my limited grasp of gaelic suggests that the derivations of the names are at least plausible. See also Talk:MacFie. Ben MacDui Talk 10:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[Continued from User talk:Blisco] My gut feeling is that the Macduffie connection is a red herring. The explanation here that the name derives from an uibh-hirteach seems at least plausible, though I'd like to see a more reliable source for it rather than anonymous "modern etymologists". Dubh Artach and Dhu Heartach are almost certainly variant forms, but it's not necessarily a "phonetic" anglicisation as such; it may follow older Scottish Gaelic or Irish spelling conventions, and/or reflect an older pronunciation, or may even be a cartographer's error. Note that the letter H isn't used as a consonant in its own right in modern Gaelic, though the sound is represented by combinations such as th and sh.
Given the similarity with the Irish form of Dooherty, it strikes me as possible that folk etymology was at work (i.e. the original name was Dhu Heartach, but as this was an unfamiliar name to Gaelic speakers and the personal name Dubh Artaich was familiar, the name of the rock was reinterpreted as deriving from the personal name). However, this is pure speculation and shouldn't really be in the article unsourced, though I've included it for now with a {{fact}} tag in case anyone can back it up.
My best suggestion is to pare it down to the hard sourced facts, and keep an eye out for any books that might provide a better answer. --Blisco 23:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

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You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Ben MacDui (Talk) 20:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA On Hold

I enjoyed this article a lot and I feel that it is very close, so I have put it on Hold. This will hopefully give you time to fix it.

  • Under the Geology section the last sentence of the first paragraph states that 'This land mass probably included the islands of Jura and Islay' implies that it is not necessarily factual. It is probably better to use 'may have' or some other statement this gives a more neutral point of viewWP:WTA.
  • The Later event section should be a list of bullet points.
  • The Later events section, point 3, doesn't explain where the red band was painted. At first it read like it was painted on the rock, but following the links shows it on the lighthouse itself. This could be clarified with a recent photograph.
  • The Later events section, point 5, doesn't completely explain why the name of the lighthouse was changed from Dhuheartach to Dubh Artach.

Fluffball70 22:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

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