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[edit] Punks Getting [messed with]

Hey! I think I understand your point now(thought I'd post it here as to not clutter up the punk talk page with off-topic shit). And I guess I am prepared to live the part, if only till I grow up and cut my hair. [/sarcasm] Feel free to delete this when you've read it, sorry for the inconvenience Tias 09:33, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't think much has changed. I do want people to detest me, at least on a subconscious level - There's something immensely satisfying about knowing that people watch one and think "If people like him can exist, our society is fucked up". Of course, few give it that much thought, but if some do it's great. Tias 08:56, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Emo

As I tried to contribute before you so cavalierly wiped it, "emo" was originally applied to Rites of Spring and Rites of Spring only. Flipside #47 from 1985 (probably found on eBay without too much trouble) contains a interview with RoS in which they mention offhandedly that some folk in the DC scene had taken to calling them "emo" because they sometimes became emotional during performances. I'm sure it didn't take long for the term to also be applied to Embrace and then other DC bands, but it didn't apply to anyone but RoS at first. Druff 05:03, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I didn't "cavalierly" wipe it: what you said here isn't what you wrote in the article. Your edits made it sound like nobody called it "emo-core", which is factually inaccurate. Regardless of the specific origins of the term, people spent the next decade using the term "emo-core" to almost exclusively describe the DC scene, which is significantly more important than where the term started in its first weeks of existence.
Here's the real problem: the original source of the word "emo" has been under debate for years. The initial accounts credited a Flipside interview with MacKaye, but nobody's been able to cough up any of those articles, including the Rites of Spring interview. You've suggested that I go look for the article, but, honestly, if you're making this assertion and trying to add it to the entry, YOU should find the article to confirm it first. At the very least, if you have the article, you should provide a partial transcript to discussion. It's the responsiblity of each editor to provide sources for their edits, not the responsibility of other editors to verify it for them.
Even still, if Rites of Spring didn't coin the term themselves - if it was something that DC folks called them - then Rites of Spring's viewpoint can't the end-all be-all answer, even if ended up being the first printed usage of the term. Regardless of whether the band said what you claim, are there enough available sources to support the case that they were the first band ever tagged as "emo", and that NO other bands were being called "emo" at the same time?
This is the first I have EVER heard this assertion made, and, as I said, it's not my responsibility to verify your point for you. I've tried to rewrite the article to accommodate your point, but it would be journalistically dubious to make the claim without the proper sources to support it. (And I suspect you'll need more than just that one interview to do that.) -- ChrisB 05:02, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
All right, my friend, two can play this game: Where are your sources to back up your facts? Where's your "proof" that the term "emo-core" was used in the mid-80s DC scene? Where's your proof that the term "emo" was applied to other bands besides Rites of Spring in the beginning? Don't accuse others of failing to cite sources when you haven't done so yourself. I suggested that you find that issue of Flipside because it's a 20 year old print magazine, it isn't online. If I can't ask you to take me on my word as someone who was there at the time, how can I ask you to accept a transcript from my own hands? But, if I can, I'll dig my zines out of the closet and transcribe the pertinent segments. Although apparently you've already invalidated it, since it's "just that one interview."
I'd say one of the real problems here is that history is being written by people who weren't there to witness it first hand. I have to ask, what makes you such an authority? I hate to play "My dick's bigger than yours," but I'm a 36 year old fart and I was following the DC scene as early as 1982. I continued to follow it into the 90s. And I can assure you, the term "emo-core" was definitely not widely used in the mid-80s DC scene, if it was used at all. I don't know exactly when it popped up, but I've always been under the impression that it was coined later to describe the more "extreme" sounding bands that cropped up later, chiefly the Gravity bands. Much of the point of bands like Rites of Spring and Embrace was to leave the hardcore punk cliché behind, and there was very little impetus for anyone to tag the label "-core" onto them. Druff 17:51, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Xenogears vs. Evangelion

Stop editing the Xenogears page by removing legitimate data regarding blatant Xenogears vs. Evangelion connections before discussing their removal first, and successfully providing acceptable reasons that warrant their removal rather than mild alteration. This is what the "discussion" page is for. All of the deletions you made of my entries over the past few days were for inaccurate and inappropriate reasons, as I have argued on the discussion page. I notice you didn't bother to respond there, but kept on making deletions. Regarding my Aeon edit, I included additional information not to support any sort of "vendetta," but to make the article more informative after having glanced it over. Study general definitions of Aeons and Angels; what they are in nature; and you'll see there is a distinct similarity between the two. Both are servants of God, both are emanations of divine power, both carry out the will of God, and in fact, certain Aeons, such as Armozel, are Angels[[1]]. But again, even if that wasn't the case, the "Aeons" in Xenogears still look like traditional angels, and bear multiple similarities to Evangelion's angels.
That said, I have reverted your edits again, and will continue to do so until you can provide valid reasons for your actions and reach some sort of agreement. Please refer to Wikipedia's etiquette policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette), and see that reaching agreements on edits and avoiding deletion are promoted guidelines. In addition, I have given you no reason to believe I am editing out of anything other than good faith principles of making articles more informative, yet you have assumed that I have some sort of a "vendetta" for adding information that is commonly discussed at large, and is written in an entirely non-biased manner. Assuming good faith, and not a vendetta, is yet another etiquette guideline that should be followed, as outlined in the above article.
-Fred 08:40, 25 April 2006 (PST)
Simply put, I delete any info which is blatantly erroneous or of dubious value. An example of erroneous info in this case is "Grahf is Fei's father." It simply isn't true, and I've explained why on the Xenogears talk page. An example of info of dubious value is pointing out that both EVA and Xenogears both have cutsey comic relief mascot characters with N-N names. That's akin to pointing out that both the 2007 Toyota Corolla and the 1998 Honda Civic both have four drink holders instead of two. While the statement might be true, it has no value, since so many other vehicles also have four drink holders. There's no point in pointing out that both EVA and Xenogears have cute animal mascots whose names are a repetion of a syllable when it's also true that Mach Go Go Go a.k.a. Speed Racer had a cutsey animal named Chim-Chim in 1967, Utena had a cutsey animal character named Chu-Chu (Japanese onomatopoeia for "squeek", as a mouse) and so on and so forth.
And besides, I did give my reasons for deleting the info in the comment line when I first made the deletions, as I always do. That should suffice. But don't expect me to repeat that courtesy when you insist on re-posting the same inaccurate info again and again.
Furthermore, I do have valid reason to believe you're pursuing a personal vendetta. A couple of quotes from your first edits to the Xenogears article:
...its similarities to aforementioned works (particularly and infamously Neon Genesis Evangelion) are so frequent and so similar in nature that its plot borders on flat-out plagiarism.
Other plot criticms include the allegation that Xenogears, like most of Squaresoft's titles, contains many "tiresome" and "uncreative" plot cliches, and to such critics, feels like a pulp production.
Blatant non-NPOV. You were wise to quickly edit those comments yourself, but they betrayed your true intentions from the beginning. Druff 06:18, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested reference

Provided the reference you asked for on the Xenogears page. I should have done it when I made the edit before, but I didn't think of it. Sorry about that. Also cleaned up the syntax I used to admit there's some vagueness used about the relationship between the two series, yet also provided the quotes used to support the seperation of the two. Hope that helps! Nezu Chiza 02:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Nezu, I just saw that. And I just left a comment in the article's talk page. Cheers! Druff 05:38, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Soraya Saga

Your changes to the article seem to conflict with one of the sorces that I used ([2]); do you have sources for your dates, etc.? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 08:08, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, no I don't. It was basically known back in 2003 (at least in Japanese circles) that Saga was off the project, but it was just a rumor at the time. When Saga posted about it on her website, it was basically to confirm those rumors in the hopes that people would finally stop pestering her about it. When she made the announcement, many people found out about it for the first time, while others who had been following Xenosaga more closely considered it old news. Since I don't have a hard source, I guess I don't have a leg to stand on. Do what you wish. Druff 17:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
That's OK — I only know what I found at the sites that I gave as sources. It would be nice to have citations, though, at some point. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 20:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Exdeath/Exodus

Well good then, thanks. I'll be sure to fix the typo on ja:Wikipedia. But really, we should use the current English names here until we get information otherwise.—ウルタプ 21:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Well actually the summons seem have different names between FFTA and FFXII...whatever. Exdeath here for now, then.—ウルタプ 21:20, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] There is absolutely no need to convert roman numerals into phonetics for FF articles ?

Please don't take this kind of decisions alone. You edited 3 Featured articles and several Good Articles that have already been reviewed by hundreds of Wikipedia editors and judged good or best in class. Your point of view is certainly valid and should be heard, but please discuss massive changes like that at the WPFF. Specifically, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Final_Fantasy#Changes_to_a_bunch_of_articles

Welcome to the group of FF eitors, by the way Renmiri 19:32, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the welcome. It is my firm position that the phonetic renderings the roman numerals in FF titles is extraneous information, definitely a form of cruft. The first red flag is that if you look at any official Japanese FF packaging or literature, there is never any katakana key of the roman numerals. I don't think informing the world as to how Japanese speakers pronounce roman numerals is relevant to Final Fantasy. It's unecessary information. Druff 01:41, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Well the WPFF Talk page is the right place to raise the issue. I speak / read nothing of japanese so any pronunciation guide helps, but we do have a few fluent Japanese readers in our midst such as Ryu Kaze that will be able to evaluate your idea better. Renmiri 06:43, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
PS: Don't forget to sign your name on the August roll call for FF editors Image:grin.gif Renmiri 06:43, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bahamut Lagoon / Final Fantasy Tactics

The Bahamut Lagoon project began under working title Final Fantasy Tactics. However, as the game gradually took shape, it was decided that it didn't include enough elements from the Final Fantasy series to merit the name. Most of the existing Final Fantasy elements were removed, and it was released with the new title Bahamut Lagoon. Soon afterward, a second Final Fantasy Tactics (1997) project was initiated and released with the title intact.

This text in the Trivia section of the article Bahamut Lagoon has been present since August 2005, and nobody has found a reference yet. May I ask what was your source of information? Kariteh 11:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

It was a long time ago, but I recall the source of that information being the The Unofficial Squaresoft Homepage, a.k.a. square.net. It existed from 1995 to 1997, the webmaster was Andrew Vestal. Vestal actually had a relationship with Square. They even hosted his site for several months when he lost his server. Later he started the Gamers Intelligence Agency a.k.a. thegia.com, where Vestal had the honor of showing the world the first images from Final Fantasy IX, a full 10 months before Square even announced the game's existence. What I'm getting at is that the info came from a source that I personally consider to be extremely reliable. Vestal was truly an authority on Square lore, at least during the mid-90s. He was a great source of insider information, and virtually everything he reported as a "rumor" seemed to eventually turn out to be true. I wish the source was something that could be easily verified, but alas, we're talking about an obscure video game that was released in Japan over ten years ago and doesn't seem to have inspired many people to document its behind-the-scenes details. Druff 18:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Some guy already removed the information from the Bahamut Lagoon article... Too bad, I don't think it can really be mentioned without a reference but this info is still interesting. I believe you personally :) Kariteh 09:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
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