Talk:Draw by agreement

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Just came across a discussion about this article here (the position in the diagram). --Sir48 16:45, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 moved page 2 Minor POV 3 not quite correct... 4 Confused 5 Sofia 2005

[edit] moved page

I moved this page here from "draw by mutual agreement" because (as someone pointed out), "mutual" is superfluous and neither the FIDE or USCF rules seem to say "mutual". Bubba73 (talk), 23:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minor POV

"Of course, it is not unethical or illegal to offer a draw even in a clearly lost position". I disagree with this statement, I think that "pulling rank" on a weaker player and using ones Elo rating to intimdate them into granting a draw in a won postion for them is unethical.

That sounds like someone's opinion to me. The only thing about this I could find in the FIDE rules is article 12.6 "It is forbidden to annoy or distract the opponent in any manerr whatsoever. This includes unreasonable claims or unreasonable offers of a draw." So it may fall under that. I'm added "cite needed." Bubba73 (talk), 15:31, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] not quite correct...

Match play golf has a rule allowing each player or team to concede a stroke, a hole, or a game; that alone does not suffice to compare golf with chess, however a relevant decision by the ruling authorities has explicitly legalised agreeing on a draw; therefore golf is similar to chess in that respect. 91.64.30.17 19:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Confused

I'm no master of the game, that's for sure, but I'm familiar with the rules. I don't see how the Reshevsky - Mastichadis game results in a loss by the 24-25 moves shown. See with the Knight in position f2, the king is not in check. Is something wrong with the board, or am I just totally confused? McKay 05:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

It is my bedtime, but I'll try to answer. After 24 ... Nxf2, if 25. Kxf2 then 25 ... Qxe3+ 26. Kf1 Qxd3+ 27. Kf2 or Kg1 Qxd4+, black has won three pawns and has a strong position. If white moves his bishop out of danger on move 25, then 25... Qxe3 then black is threatening a discovered check by moving the knight, so he will pick up a third pawn on d4 (or g3), again with a strong position. It is late, and there may be more forcing lines for Black. Bubba73 (talk), 05:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, mind if I edit your moves? I'm pretty sure you meant e3, as the Q can't get to c3. Thanks for your help. But in any case, you speak as if the loss comes soon, but the article says the loss comes immediately (which is where my confusion was coming from). McKay 14:45, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I tmight be better to say that he immeditately gets into a lost position, not that he loses immediately. A strong chess program gives this as the best defense: 25. Bxg6 fxg6 26. bxc6 bxc6 27. Nf3 ... and white has lost a piece and has a bad position. There are many variations, however, and all of them are bad for white. Bubba73 (talk), 15:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sofia 2005

The very strong Sofia 2005 tournament is planned to employ such a rule. It's now 2007; can this be replaced by a statement about what actually happened? Was the rule employed, and if so, what effects did it have? 213.249.135.36 18:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I added some external links. The final results: 18 draws out of 30 games - 60% - plus players were more fatigued. Bubba73 (talk), 03:32, 14 February 2007 (UTC)