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[edit] Female bodied

Whoever changed "female bodied" persons to "female identified" does not know too much about Drag Kings. Of those Kings I know (and that's quite a few) only the smallest minority is female identified. -- AlexR 18:26 30 Jun 2003 (UTC)

If that's the case then they're transgendered or transsexuals; drag kings are lesbians who do drag. Exploding Boy 14:07, Apr 11, 2004 (UTC)

I'm terribly sorry, but you are wrong. Many Drag Kings are transgendered and not female identified, but still call themselfes Drag Kings. In fact, some people define Drag Kings as "female bodied but not female identified" people; although I think that's carrying it a bit too far. Also please remember that some words have slightly different definitions in different places, although the one given covers most of Europe and North America. I checked, did you? -- AlexR 14:26, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I checked, but you're right; words do have different meanings in different places. Exploding Boy 14:28, Apr 11, 2004 (UTC)

I am a trans woman. As a genderqueer dyke, I sometimes like to perform as a drag king. As a MTF person, am I female-bodied? That is debatable. I am certainly female-identified.--142.166.101.192 17:25, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

That is not exactly the majority of drag kings; all kings I know (and that are quite a few) define as the one thing that drag kings have in common that they do not identify as women and/or females. So I think that this paragraph needs some rewording; after all, trans-people doing drag after transitioning are such a small minority that I wonder whether it is really appropriate to say something that does not apply for the vast majority of a group because it does apply to a very small minority; at least without explanation. And that's a transguy speaking who has two dresses in his wardrobe, too.

Oh, and BTW, do you think you could get yourself a username? Not even a mailadress is required, and it is a bit odd if one has to call people "142". -- AlexR 01:15, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I think that "Drag" includes those that mask their identified gender, hence the delineation of Bio-Queens and Kings. Clearly one may be born a man, transition to female, and then perform in drag as a male. However, if you identify as a woman, and perform as a woman, you are a Bio-Femme. I do think that the origins of this term began prior to the increased popularity of gender transitioning, but can be applied to women that were not necessarily born as women. ~Kat AKA J.J. Cox

[edit] POV

This article makes some bold statements about what is and is not a "drag king" without citations. This, and the above discussion, show that the underlying bias needs to be removed. - brenneman^{L} 00:28, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion was two years ago. The issue seems to have been worked out since then, and the definition of "drag king" currently in the article seems pretty neutral and inclusive to me. I don't see any "bold statements" that would require citations, and I don't see any need to label the article as POV. If you have some specific problem with the definition given in the article then please feel free to explain, but for now I am removing the POV tag. CKarnstein 05:36, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AtKM

There way quite a bit of material for "All the King's Men" so I trimmed it a little bit. - brenneman^{L} 00:28, 21 March 2006 (UTC)