Talk:Doyle Brunson

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Contents 1 Family life - hoax tag 2 SEC 3 Casper 4 Vandalism to the main page? 5 "the Bible of poker"

[edit] Family life - hoax tag

I wrote the family life section using Super System 2 as a source. I wasn't really sure what to do about the claims of miracles - I'm an atheist so it's not as if I just assume they just happened, but Brunson has made these claims more than once and they do seem notable enough to include in an article on him. Also, as far as I can tell, they meet Wikipedia's standards for verifiablilty (though not necessarily mine) in that the source they come from seems as reputable as any on Brunson. I could prefix them all with something like "Brunson claimed..." but then I'd feel like I ought to do that for everything else that was sourced from his book, which I'm not overly comfortable with. I suppose the best thing to do would be to talk to people at the religion-related WikiProjects and see what they do with claims like this, but if anyone's got any ideas please discuss them. Image:Yemen flag large.png CTOAGN (talk) 07:43, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

I'll take your word for it. The only reason that I put the hoax tag up was because I had removed some vandalism in the family life issue and I was just skeptical of that entire section. BlueGoose 08:01, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok. I'll leave it as it is then. Image:Yemen flag large.png CTOAGN (talk) 09:09, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SEC

Any think a section should be made for the SEC scandal about his bid for the WPT?

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/business/local/13778374.htm?source=rss&channel=twincities_local http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr19495.htm

- Duke of Kent 21:27, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Casper

After seeing the side story in a recent WSOP show about Casper, Brunson's cardholder, and Howard Lederer paying Brunson to will Casper to him upon Brunson's death, this seems like a pertinent addition to the article. Yea/nay? Willbyr 04:38, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Worthy of a sentance. Essexmutant 08:57, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism to the main page?

"Doyle "Texas Dolly" Brunson (May 30, 1908 – June 5, 2006)"

"Doyle Brunson passed away at 8:37 am, on June 5, 2006, in his Malibu home after losing a hand to poker-great Edwin Tablada."

Surprised to see that he had died so recently, I search news sources and could not find a single reference to his death. Unless Wikipedia is the first to report, I'm guessing this is vandalism.

Furthermore, the "poker-great" (sic) mentioned is not able to be found, as such, on basic Web searches.

Also, I gravely doubt that Mr. Brunson was born in 1908.

Forgive me, but I'm loath to make corrections to the main page myself, both because I'm a newbie, and also because I'm certainly no expert on Mr. Brunson---who I hope is actually alive and well!

KevinWho 02:51, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "the Bible of poker"

The word Bible has metaphorical and non-religious uses ,I don't think it was meant to be taken literally.

Its mention even on Doyle's website about Super/System "the book remains the bible of poker"

Also Merriam-Webster's Dictionary 4th definition of the word is

• "4 : a publication that is preeminent especially in authoritativeness or wide readership <the fisherman's bible> <the bible of the entertainment industry>"

I think it should be added back but I'll see what others think (not so boldish right now :)) Sirex98 09:30, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with the word "bible" so long as it is used as in, "considered to be a bible", rather than "Doyle Brunson's bible of poker 'Super/System'". I edited the article because the sentence structure (not to mention grammar) that resulted from the edit was poor, but feel free to change it back to the original version.--Hpesoj00 11:35, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I was speaking of Abscissa edits sorry for the confusion Sirex98 12:13, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I realise that. I was just commenting on how I edited Abscissa's changes to be more grammatically correct, and that if you want to change the article back to before Abscissa's edit, it is fine by me. --Hpesoj00 16:05, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I see what you were saying, I'm a bit thick was up too late last night :), I'll make the change Sirex98 17:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I still think it is an inappropriate metaphor and/or turn of phrase, and I have reverted, but I am also going to solicit the opinions of some other members of the poker project. - Abscissa 13:39, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Abscissa, I NOT going to get in a revert war with you its just too petty, but I have to say the way you went about this was just wrong, First: the only thing you put in the original edit summary is (FFS, Doyle Brunson did not write the Bible) now you call it "an inappropriate metaphor" Second: you go on other user's talk pages to solicit opinions rather then discussing it here before making an additional revert, anyway you can have the last word if you want, I'm done with this discussion --Sirex98 18:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I have brought this up on Wikiproject poker before and the consensus seems to be to not use the metaphorical term "Bible". We are trying to create some broad "standards" on poker articles, that's why I asked for the opinions of members who are very regular and serious contributers, you are welcome to sign up. - Abscissa 13:25, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Generally, I think if a matter needs to be discussed, it should be done on the discussion page of the relevent article. 'Serious contributers' will most likely have all the poker pages on watch, and will comment if they feel the need to do so. I think there is a significant difference between "Super/System is the bible of poker" and "Super/System is often considered to be the bible of poker"; I'd say the latter is pretty much the same as "Super/System is often considered to be the most important book on poker", but for that reason I don't think it matters one bit which one is used, so lets just keep it as it is.--Hpesoj00 19:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Your Edit is fine by me Hpesoj00, I'm not out to make a mountain out of a mold hill, the original edit summary irritated me a bit, originally the metaphor was fine by me, but I ‘m over it and don't really care anymore, I'm stressed anyway, in the US we had a bill (HR 4411) to restrict domestic banking with off shore internet gambling and now we have an idiotic measure added to a port bill during a lame duck session to do the same thing. I’m sure Dubya will sigh it. :( --Sirex98 22:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I heard about that; I find it ridiculous that the US government is passing a bill to outright ban internet gambling, while the UK government have recently passed an act which will allow the construction of "super casinos" around the country.--Hpesoj00 20:23, 5 October 2006 (UTC)