Talk:Dorian Gray

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seems to me if you're going to cite page numbers of specific books that one of the various style sheets should be used. you know, APA, ALA, chicago, etc. here's a link to various ones. http://www.lib.msu.edu/harris23/general/citation.htm

frankly, it should be site wide using the same format. i'm not sure how a consensus could be reached, though

Dorian Gray is also the subject of a song by the Libertines, on their second album, also called the Libertines, called Narcissit. "Wouldn't it be great to be Dorian Gray, just for a day," amongst other lines.

Dorian Gray is also referred to in the Motley Crue song "New Tattoo", as follows-- "...I could be your Dorian Gray, no I won't fade away.."

" (it is Oscar Wilde's intent to show that the face of a person directly reflects his personality)" The following statement is at best in need of evidence to back it up and at worst a prime example of the intentiional fallacy. If we wish to claim that Wilde intended that his characters' faces should reflect their personality, then we need to quote him as saying so. If we can't do that, then we can only say at best that it seems that Wilde.... 82.39.47.143 22:59, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

"Ray Bradbury made references to Dorian Gray in his 1996 short story collection 'Quicker Than The Eye' in the part 'Dorian in Excelsus".

Contents 1 Music lyrics 2 References In music 3 Precedence in musicals 4 Repetition of content already present in main Novel article

[edit] Music lyrics

I'm concerned that the size of the quoted lyric segments here go beyond fair use, so if no one objects, I'm going to reduce them. JoshuaZ 16:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References In music

I think the list of references to Dorian Gray in music badly needs editing. Many of the cited references are not notable. E.g:

"A local hardcore band from Allen, Texas goes by the name "Dorian Grey" spelled with an 'e' rather than an 'a'. Though they have been through multiple lineup changes in the past, they have maintained the same heavy music style they have had since their beginning."

"2006- english - garage punk / indie band the horrors list dorian grey as one of their heroes on their myspace page"

"A British DJ named Dorian Gray used to play as part of the "Kensworld Collective" and was a regular at clubs in South East England and Northern Ireland"

And so on. The large number of un-notable references cited makes the list overal seem to lack credibility. I would suggest removing most of the cited examples so the list contains only a few particular references and add an umbrella comment along the lines of "Dorian Gray has been referenced many times in music. Among the most notable examples are:..."

I'm sure Dorian Gray is mentioned every day in newpapers, new books, radio broadcasts, and so on the World over. The "in books" section of this article should on it's own run to pages if the same loose standards were applied to it as are to the music section.

Unless someone objects, I will in due course expunge the less notable references. 86.11.125.105 15:33, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

You're absolutely right. I've just now flushed out much of the junk. I've left in musicals, not because I prefer musicals to other genres of pop music -- I don't, and indeed I loathe what little I've heard of musicals -- but because they're more substantial (in terms of duration, if nothing else). I suspect that a number of the musicals are utterly unnotable and that what's written about them can be deleted. -- Hoary 15:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

As far as I can see nothing you've removed was obviously notable, I think the new version is an improvement. Good stuff. 86.11.125.105 16:48, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Precedence in musicals

ON STAGE: "A theatrical production of The Picture of Dorian Gray was staged by John Osborne in the mid 1970s. It was a musical version and many beleived (sic) it to be a terrible mistake. " IN MUSIC: "Hungarian playwright, Matyas Varkonyi wrote the first musical of the book. It was premiered in 1990." The Varkonyi claim appears suspect. - NickS 12:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Repetition of content already present in main Novel article

Significant portions of this article are already covered well in the main The Picture of Dorian Gray Wikipedia article. E.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Picture_of_Dorian_Gray#Allusions_from_other_works would seem to largely reproduce the content of this articles' References in Popular Culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorian_Gray#References_to_Dorian_Gray_in_popular_culture) section.

I think any repetition should be kept to an absolute minimum. There should be some discussion as to what information is particular to the character Dorian Gray, and whether it would not be better positioned in the main article on the book. There is even a case, in my opinion, for removing the article entirely - most of it is in truth about the book rather than the character.

Your thoughts? 86.11.125.105 17:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree. However, I'd be wary of proposing deletion: past experience suggests to me that it might provoke a backlash: "References to the character Dorian Gray are interesting for many people! You're just being elitist!" blah blah blah. So I suggest whittling this article down so that it doesn't overlap that on the novel, but leaving it. Moreover, right now I'm particularly reluctant to start anything that might trigger a tiresome controversy because I'll be away from a fast, cheap connection to the net for a week or so and during this time I'll be away from any connection for several days.

Another thought: Please get a username! I judge comments by their apparent worth rather than their authors; others don't, and think little of comments by IP numbers (even comments that are signed and have an informative edit summary). -- Hoary 01:40, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Given that this article is almost entirely a summary of the novel's plot, it's not clear what purpose is served by not merging it into the novel's article. Nareek 20:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)