User talk:Don Leon

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[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia!!!

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≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 04:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright violation

I'm sorry to say this, but the tarot images you uploaded from the Pamela Coleman Smith - Waite deck are actually in copyright violation. You can clearly see in the corner, "(C) 1971 U.S. Games". Now the way copyright law works, you may make and distribute copies of the original some number of years after the author's death (number of years depend on country, and Wikipedia likes to say 70 years), so if this were one of the original editions that you had scanned, it'd be fine. However if someone else produces a legitimate facsimile (copy) of the original, that facsimile may be copyrighted by them. So you can freely scan old editions, but not the 1971 US Games edition. If you had trimmed off that copyright label no-one would have known... Do you have any older decks you can replace these images with? Fuzzypeg☻ 20:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

So User:Bastique reckons any modification makes the images acceptable? How about modifying

them by erasing the copyright notices then? I can't see that these images can possibly be legally used if they say "(C) US Games 1971"! Fuzzypeg☻ 00:40, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Fuzzypeg is right! This is indeed a gross violation of copyright! The black and white illustrations from Waite's Pictorial Key to the Tarot are in public domain because that 1911 book is also in public domain.Smiloid 05:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I've mentioned this problem at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2007 February 11/Images. You may like to comment there.-gadfium 22:31, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I have to respectfully disagree. US Games Company does *not* hold a 1971 copyright on the images that were uploaded. It is my undrstanding that US Games Company's 1971 copyright filing is only for the box art and the images on the *backs* of the cards. The original black and white artwork was completed in 1909, which clearly places it in the public domain. Bastique colored the artwork himself (or so I understand) -- whether or not he first de-colorized a 1971 card seems to be a non-issue because the original color scheme is not visible in any of these images. And of course, the backs of the cards (which are under 1971 copyright) are not visible either. User Talk: Popo March 29, 2007