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[edit] Portal:Russia and Portal:Ukraine

Hi, there. Come check Portal:Russia/New article announcements and Portal:Russia/Russia-related Wikipedia notice board. Or Portal:Ukraine/New article announcements and Portal:Ukraine/Ukraine-related Wikipedia notice board if you are more interested in Ukraine. You may want to add these boards to your watchlist. Also, check my notice on Template talk:Settlements of Crimea. Happy edits, Ghirla | talk 18:41, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. =) The sphere of my interest is concretly Crimea - its geograhy, culture, history, peoples, etc.
Don Alessandro 21:43, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Crimean articles are of interest to both UA and RU wikipedians. So, please announce the articles you create about Crimea at borth new article announcement boards. BTW, what's the deal with the Name of Crimea red link you added. Unless you plan to write such article in the near future, I don't think we need it. The article's section could be expanded but it still carries some essential info already. --Irpen 17:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Извиняй, что по-русски, английский мой всё-таки весьма кривоват. Я не очень понял, мне эти красные ссылочки уже сейчас следует куда-то поместить или только когда я чего-нибудь уже сделаю? Просто боюсь, что сам я в ближайшее время не осилю заполнить их все. Пока в моих ближайших планах сделать болванки статей про районы и горсоветы по аналогии с теми, что я сделал в русской вики.
Касательно Name of Crimea... Ну, я просто посмотрел что Name of Ukraine вынесено в отдельную статью, и подумал, что тут стоит сделать также. Просто там есть разные версии происхождения названия (например от монгольского хэрэм - ров). Может можно всё это изложить и в основной статье. Не знаю... --Don Alessandro 18:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Ну и я не знаю. Сам решай. Наверное если есть разумные шансы, что статья появится в ближайшее время (тобой будет написана или линк настолько напрашивается, что многие из тех, кто увидит попробуют написать хотя бы болванку (stub)), то стоит создавать линк. Удачи! --Irpen 06:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Caffa & Theodoro

Hi.

1) About maps. Unfortunately there are no good maps on Crimean history on the web. There is... m-m-m... not map - only a scheme, I've made just now. It shows the situation in Crimea before the Ottoman invasion in 1475. http://www.ljplus.ru/img/d/o/don_alessandro/Theodoro_and_Caffa.PNG

red - Genoesian colonies, green - the Principality of Theodoro, blue - the Khanate of Crimea (Haci Giray).

Kalamita = today's Inkerman, Cembalo = Balaklava, Aluston = Alushta, Theodoro = Mangup, Soldaia = Sudak, Caffa = Theodosia, Solkhat = Stary Krym, Vosporo = Kerch.

If you want more information on Crimen history, I'll try to answer.

2) About Stephen III the Great and his relationships with Theodoro.

I know really few facts. Stephen married Maria Gabras - the dauther of Prince of Theodoro. The House of Gabras was related both to the Comnenian dynasty and to the Palaeologan dynasty and by that time Stephen was a great success in his war against the Ottomans. So this marrige gave him rigths to clame the throne of Constantinople (if he would win Constantinople from the Turks). Alexander Gabras was Maria's brother, and Isaac was their uncle. Sthephen wanted to create a coalition against the Ottomans - Moldavia, Theodoro and Caffa. But Isaac Gabras was very pro-Ottoman ruler. So he call Alexander, who lived in Moldavia in exile, gave him 300 men and a ship and sent to Crimea. Alexander was a success - he replaced Isaac on the throne of Theodoro. But in 1475 Ottoman general Gedik Ahmet Paşa conquered both Caffa and Theodoro. Caffa capitulated immedeatly, but Theodoro under Prince Alexander opposed the Ottmomans for half of a year. Alexander was enslaved and died in prison in Istanbul in spite of the attempts of Stephen to liberate him.

3) Please, excuse my awfull English.

Don Alessandro 19:21, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Great info on Alexander, but where did you find these sources? I might need them for the Moldavian articles. Your map looks good, tho I can't speak for it's accuracy. You should upload it to the article. Do you know why Stephen didn't annex Theodoro? Could he annex the land at all? Thanks. --Candide, or Optimism 19:28, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Sources... Several books published in Crimea in recent years (all in Russian). The best two are Т.М. Фадеева, А.К. Шапошников "Княжество Феодоро и его князья", Симферополь 2005 (T.M. Fadeeva, A.K. Shaposhnikov "The Principality of Theodoro and its Princes", Simferopol 2005) and П.А. Кесмеджи, Г.П. Кесмеджи "Княжество Феодоро", Симферополь 1999 (P.A. Kesmedzhi, G.P. Kesmedzhi "The Principality of Theodoro", Simferopol 1999)
The map is not accurate. =) I'll try to make a version of higher quality and to upload it.
Do you know why Stephen didn't annex Theodoro? Could he annex the land at all?
I do not know, but I suppose he could not. It was impossible for him to annex the principality in a legitimate way (there were too many living Gabrases, who could claim the throne), only to conquer. Alexander Gabras was quite independent ruler; he was an ally for Stephen, not the vassal. With the help of Stephen he only did coup d'etat, but not conquered the country (he was a son of the previous Prince, after all).
Don Alessandro 21:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
From what I read, Stephen had the chance to inherit a portion of the land, but I don't know if it's true. It's a shame those books haven't been translated into English. You should work on a map and upload it. Keep up the good work! --Candide, or Optimism 07:15, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
A portion... My books say nothing about this. But IMHO it does not seem believable. As you can see on the map, Theodoro was a small principality (under the Ottoman rule former lands of Theodoro formed one kadılık). I don't realize how it could be divided into parts. There was practically nothing to divide. %)
> You should work on a map and upload it.
Here it is
Don Alessandro 13:23, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crimean Ta

Hi. You marked the above redirect for speedy deletion. You didn't give a reason for deletion, and the redirect seems valid enough. If there's a good reason for deletion, maybe you would like to submit the redirect to WP:RFD? Proto||type 20:40, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I've given a reason on the talk page. But you're right, it will be better to place it to WP:RFD. Don Alessandro 03:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Taurica

Hi. I noted you moved Tauric Chersonese to Taurica. Don't you think you should have put the move to votes before acting? Give me a good reason why I shouldn't move it back to where it was; Tauric Chersonese is very common as a name, while judging from Google Taurica is hardly ever used as a substantive.--Aldux 18:35, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I didn't mention the discussion there... I'll try to explain there Talk:Taurica.
Don Alessandro 19:10, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hallo Don Alessandro

Hi, Hallo, etc, thanks for your contributions on NL, and you're also very "welkom" on NL! It's funny, because I'm very interested in Romania, Moldova, Eastern Europe... Because I today set up nl:Portaal:Krim I also wrote the article nl:Krim-Tataren. Soon there will also come an article nl:Krim-Tataars (Crimean Tatar Language) ;). I saw your reaction on nl:Overleg:Krim. I'll put also the name in Crimean Tatar Language in that article. A Romanian "Salut", a Dutch "Goedendag". (NL) Bulă 18:52, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

A Russian "Привет" for you. :) And my main interest here on wikipedia is Crimea, as you see. Its history, geography, people, cities and towns, etc. I spent my childhood in Simferopol and now I also try to visit Crimea at least once per year. And Crimean Tatar related articles on NL will be very useful, because many people in Western countries do not see the difference between the Tatars and Crimean Tatars in spite of the fact that they are quite different nations. So thank you for your work.
Don Alessandro 19:48, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
And if you have problems with Dutch, "Nederlands", you can translate it (roughly) with Babel Fish ;) Bulă 19:03, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. =) Unfortunately there are no Dutch-Russian translator there...
Don Alessandro 19:48, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
But there are Russian - English and English - Dutch translators, but it will become in a really bad quality. Bulă 20:22, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Please don't you ever do this again

Don Alessandro, I came to tell you that this your edit was trollish and aimed to promote partition of Ukraine. Please make sure you won't make edits like this ever. Otherwise they will be reverted and reported as WP:Trolling. Unlike my government in real Crimean life, I'll react "fast and hard". Ukrained 21:33, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Please also take into account that deleting CfD/AfD tags (like you recently did) is considered Vandalism and punished. Besides, reverting such vandalous deletion is not covered by the Three-revert rule, so I can revert them every 5 minutes unpunished. Oh, and marking serious controversial edits as "minor" is a serious breach too. This was your very last warning. You're on the edge, mister. Ukrained 08:48, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
This guy is bluffing. What did Don do wrong? Tell us. --Candide, or Optimism 12:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your support, but I think that in that case there is no problems now. Don Alessandro 11:06, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Advise and consent

Дорогий друже, Don Alessandro :)!

(The rest will be in English just for better readability by the community. I type in all three languages at about the same speed.)

I read with the great attention, interest and appreciation your dialog with the pro-Ichkeria separatist,[1] pro-Partitioner of the Russian Federation who also claims to be a Ukrainian patriot user:Ukrained.

I must say I am very impressed by your temper. I would like to share with you that from my experience with this user there is a huge difference between his article editing habits, which is mostly amazingly good and useful, and his talk page and edit summary entries which are amazingly trollish, full with personal attacks and, even, with addressing his opponents by their ethnicities but especially bad faith assumptions from anyone but himself and a couple of fervent Ukrainian nationalists (understandingly, there aren't that many). IMO, it is the article edits of the user that count most of all. After a dozen or so bad faith accusations from that user, I chose to mostly stop reacting to them (I used to provide him with detailed explanations on why exactly this or that was justified rather than was anti-whatever, but at certain point I just gave up).

If you have patience, go ahead and discuss with him your edits and defend yourself from his accusing you in being a troll and a Crimean separatist. If (or when) your patience wanes, it would be difficult, but possible, to not let any further accusations discourage you from editing but also not react to them at the same time, because reacting and explaining, like I used to do and like you just did, is very time consuming. In whatever way you intend to proceed with his future attacks, please keep editing.

Regards, --Irpen 21:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Thak you for the advice. Cподіваюся, що ми все ж таки мирно вирішимо всі питання. :) I've observed your wiki-wars and I do not want to loose my time participating in such a conflicts.
Don Alessandro 11:00, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Spoken like a true prodigy! :) Stay around. --Irpen 16:12, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Simcha Babovich

Why have you moved this page? What source gives his name as "Sima"?? --Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 03:51, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

All Russian-language sources. E.g. see what Yandex (one of the best Russian search machines) says us: Сима Бабович [2] - 460 vs Симха Бабович [3] - 4. And in addition I've asked a friend of mine, who is involved in the life of the Karaim community in Simferopol and Eupatoria, how they (the Qarays) call him.
I wonder, who invented this transliteration "Simcha Babovitch"? Even if we transliterate it not from the Karaim language, but from Hebrew, the correct spelling would be Simha (or maybe Simkha), but not Simcha. We never use ch for [h] or [x] in English transliterations, ch is used only for [tʃ].
Don Alessandro 08:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Central Asia

WikiProject Central Asia has finally been created. Would you care to join us? Aelfthrytha 21:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your invitation, but I'm mostly interested in the history/geography/culture of Crimea. Don Alessandro 12:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crimean Tatars embattled

Hi. Are you, as an expert on Crimea, aware or interested regarding this?. Considering recent edit wars, I'm not happy with anonym adding one more <NPOV> tag, even if he's right...

Also, we have some unfinished business about Crimean categories. Keep me informed if possible and needed. Wishes, Ukrained 21:25, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

IMHO there are no problems with NPOV in this article. It is incomplete, but not POV.
Я зараз не дома в Москві, а от як раз у Криму і залишатимусь тут до кінця серпня. А інтернет в мене тут нажаль тільки через GPRS. А GPRS у Київстара коштує просто жах – 5 грн. за Мб. Тому я в найближчий час не матимему можливості часто бути в інеті, вибачай...
Don Alessandro 17:41, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation?

I'm curious as to why you moved Russo-Turkish War (1787-1792) to Russo-Turkish War, 1787-1792; the first form is the correct way of disambiguating multiple conflicts with the same name, per the relevant naming convention. Kirill Lokshin 09:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry! I had observed this category Category:Crimean Khanate and noticed that all wars in this category are named in xxx, xxxx-xxxx format and only one in xxx (xxxx-xxxx) format. So, I decided, that xxx, xxxx-xxxx is more correct. I've already moved it back. Don Alessandro 15:18, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Ah, ok; that explains it. Thank you for fixing it! Kirill Lokshin 17:19, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Uzbek page moves

Please stop. I've never seen the naming style you're using. You need to discuss these changes before you resume. KazakhPol 18:54, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Hm... Dear KazakhPol, it is not a transliteration. I use orginal Uzbek latin spellings. Latin script is now official for the Uzbek language, that is why we use original latin spelling, instead of different horrible transliterations. E.g. Islom Karimov (instead of Islam Karimov, Islyam Kerimov, etc.)
I've never seen the naming style you're using.
I'm awfully sory, but it is a problem of yours, not of mine. Maybe this is because you don't know Uzbek orthography. You can find rules of transliteration of the Uzbek cyrillic alfabet into the Uzbek latin alfabet here.
Or if you have never seen, you can simply see, just like this:
And I have a question for you: what kind of spelling do you use? For example, why do you name Rashid Qadirov as Rashid Kadyrov?
Don Alessandro 19:15, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
When responding to the comments of other users, it's customary to respond on their talkpages and not your own. The naming style I go by is what I see commonly used in either official press releases issued by the Uzbek government or the media. I do not refer to the Uzbek President by Islom because that's just silly. There's a reason his name is Islam. KazakhPol 19:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
My only problem is the lack of communication prior to your page moves. I, also, am not interested in starting an edit war. I believe we got off on the wrong foot, as both of us are trying to improve Uzbek-related pages. Regards, KazakhPol 20:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flying Penguin to Don Alessandro

- if he gets a chance to read this: Don't be ridiculous - as an English speaker, I can tell you that "the" is always used before Crimea, as well as some other geographic names. And who gave you the right to delete newer, more complete versions with improved English grammar and syntax? Who are you - a Khan? This kind of behaviour speaks badly of the Ukrainians.

[edit] Award

The Original Barnstar
For your excellent contributions to Wikipedia, especially on Crimea-related articles—it's time that you get some recognition for all that you've done here. :-) Удачи и хорошего настроения! Khoikhoi 05:06, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
No problem, my pleasure! Khoikhoi 01:27, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your suggestions and corrections for my map

Thank you very much for your suggestions and corrections for my Image:Ancient Greek_Colonies of N Black Sea.png. I have endeavoured to put them into the second version of the map. Let me know if you see anything else that needs to be addessed. Cheers, MapMaster 03:58, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can you check my map??

Don Alessandro, I have created a "locator map" for the Golden Horde. This map shows domains of the Golden Horde in 1389 before the Tokhtamysh-Timur war, with modern international boundaries in light brown. The Principality of Moscow is shown as a dependency, in light yellow. I am a bit displeased with how difficult it is to tell the rivers and international boundaries apart, even at 400px, but on the whole it turned out nicely.

I would, of course, be very interested in your comments. I aim to please. MapMaster 01:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy New Year!

Happy New Year! (Ukrainian: З Новим Роком!, Russian: С Новым Годом!). I wish you in 2007 to be spared of the real life troubles so that you will continue to care about Wikipedia. We will all make it a better encyclopedia! I also wish things here run smoothly enough to have our involvement in Wikipedia space at minimum, so that we can spend more time at Main. --Irpen
Happy New Year! (Ukrainian: З Новим Роком!, Russian: С Новым Годом!). I wish you in 2007 to be spared of the real life troubles so that you will continue to care about Wikipedia. We will all make it a better encyclopedia! I also wish things here run smoothly enough to have our involvement in Wikipedia space at minimum, so that we can spend more time at Main. --Irpen

[edit] Population transfer in the Soviet Union

Привет! В статье Population transfer in the Soviet Union слишком мало уделено внимания крымскотатарской депортации. Предлагаю создать по этой теме отдельную статью: Sürgün. --Üñţïf̣ļëŗ (see also:ә? Ә!) 14:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

К сожалению со временем сейчас тяжко. Но вообще, идея хорошая, я только за. Как появится свободная минутка постараюсь по крайней мере стаб сделать. Английский мой, правда, весьма кривоват. Ну да это ничего, нейтив спикеры исправят. Don Alessandro 11:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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