Talk:Donna Troy
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[edit] More pics
This is one of the (few) articles that could benefit from more pics. Donna had several notable costumes over the years and it would be nice to see some of them reflected in her article. I don't have a flatbed scanner, but if somebody else would care to add some... CovenantD 17:16, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- Looking much better, but I wonder if we can get rid of the IC cover. She appears so small and in such a crowd that it doesn't really add anything to her article. CovenantD 22:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Doing away with the speculation
It seems odd to have editors suggesting that it is not speculative to say Donna's powers have diminished, but then see that they add things such as "it seems" in their edits. Unless Donna says something to the effect of "my powers have diminished", it really is nothing but speculation. Specially when things typically associated with her "Titanic", non-Amazonic, powers (which people claim have gone away), such as her star-spangled hair, came and went before Infinite Crisis. For example, in Graduation Day, whenever she was in costume, she had star-spangled hair, but in scenes which happen in her room at the beggining of the story, she appears with normal blue-black hair. And you forget that if you're gonna conjecture that Donna never had powers given to her by the Titans, then Infinite Crisis and none of the apparent changes you regard as facts could have never happened. Furthermore, in Wonder Woman #1, we see Donna remember witnessing Diana leaving Themyscira, and describe her as her sister. What does this mean? That the Byrne retcon which stated that Donna was a magically created twin of Diana captured by Dark Angel and erased from everyone's memory so she could be reborn to Dorothy Hinckley and eventually be powered by the Titans is still in effect. If Donna's new story was meant to be a complete throwback to Pre-Crisis continuity, then rather than have Donna see Diana leave the island and regard her a sister, we would have Donna be rescued from a fire by Diana AFTER she leaves the island and regard her a mentor. I also think it's pretty likely DC does not wish to further complicate Donna by altering her origin yet again. The only thing Diana's Pre-Crisis Silver Age career being brought back into continuity is likely to change is Donna and Diana coming into contact and suspecting they have a connection earlier than 1987. So remember, as long as Donna was there in Paradise Island seeing how Diana left to become Wonder Woman (albeit happening earlier, back in the Silver Age rather than the Modern Age), her Post-Crisis origin is still in effect, and her powers have not diminished. She is most likely simply not using them. You can see she still has 'em in "History of the DC Universe", which is post-New Earth.. --Ace ETP 20:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Donna's powers.
In wonder Woman's #1, they show Donna Troy fighting at a weaker capacity (she took on gods with equal strength in RETURN OF DONNA TROY and it took the Titans and Outsiders joint efforts to slow her down) against Cheetah and Giganta. They also show her without star-spangled hair, which is directly associated with the Goddess of the Moon (the previous goddess Phoebe had the same effect in her hair). These are clear signs that her powers have been returned to a mortal level, as oppose to her pervious god-like level.
Mention of Donna's hair in GRADUATION DAY is false, because in that series, Donna did not have stars ever appear in her hair. They appeared solely on her costume which had been a gift from the Titans of Myth. It wasn't until RETURN OF DONNA TROY that they started drawing her with stars in her hair to signal that she was indeed the Goddess of the Moon, which remained constant until WW#1.
Donna's powers as a god are constantly 'on'. She wouldn't just choose to 'not use them' as that would be pointless. Why give her the power to effect things in greater mass, and only to hold back so much? She never had any trouble using her full power before the OYL jump. Why do it now?
The mention of Donna's powers in 'HISTORY OF THE DC UNIVERSE' also has no effect on this situation, since that story takes place immediately after the Infinite Crisis and prior the ONE YEAR LATER jump to the current WW storyline, during which time any number of things could have happened to Donna Troy, including her giving up her god-like powers.
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- Listen, has any person who works at DC or character in any DC comic book come out and say "History of the DC Universe takes place before 52 and Donna has her powers diminished later"? No, so if you're going to be overly speculative, then please, at least hold back your desire to change the page until after we know for sure what's going on. And don't you think it is inconsistent to say that Donna's Titan powers are constantly "on" but then state that everything associated with them only appears when she puts on her Titan suit? Sure, Donna was mystically resurrected, and was temporarily a goddess, but ever since the Titans were banished to Tartarus, I don't think that even at her power level there's supposed to be anything inherently god-like about her. I'm pretty sure that, multiverse memories and Harbinger powers aside, she's as vulnerable as she was before her death in Graduation Day. Therefore, if she appears to be weaker as Wonder Woman, I would assume it is a result of taking off her Titan suit and putting on her Wonder Woman armor, but not a complete removal of inherent powers which were never really inherent to begin with (as you seem to suggest). --Ace ETP 21:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I just have a quick note about Donna's hair in WW #1. In the very first panels, on the first page, she does have (however small they may be) stars in her hair. But then it gets confusing because you don't see it as clearly at any point after that. During IC & 52, it was always blatantly obvious that she had stars in her hair, but, except for the first page in WW #1, they are either so faded that you can't see them, or they've been taken out completely. And I, for one, am very upset that the writers never truly let Donna show off her powers. She was (& still is, as far as I'm concerned, until I hear otherwise) the goddess of the moon, that should come with a hefty helping of new abilities, but even in the Return of Donna Troy series, she's never truly allowed to let loose and kick tail. ((Okay, so that was more than a quick note, but she's my favorite character, so I think I'm entitled.)) Well, that's all from me. StarryEyedAngel 22:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Lasso?
Donna's been presented in previous comics as having her own lasso, although what exactly its powers were or weren't I'm not sure. The lasso she uses in Wonder Woman #1 is obviously Diana's as it exhibits the truth abilities hers is known for. So I guess what I'm asking is where did Don's lasso go, and where did she get it from in the first place?Jupiterzguy 02:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- This isn't very "official" but writer/artist Phil Jimenez stated that Donna's old lasso may have just been a very strong lasso made by Star Labs. Her truth power, Post-Crisis, is much like Diana's in that it is an inner part of her and not solely from the lasso used. This is due to the mystic twin origin. Artemisboy 21:27, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- Jimenez's description is echoed in a Teen Titans/Superman teamup from Action Comics, but I had not luck locating the issue in my (very poorly organized) colleciton. 68.142.29.10 04:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Except for that, in the first issue of the new Wonder Woman comic, Cheetah binds Donna with the Lasso and she can't lie. And when Cheeta tries to compell Donna to drop her weapons Donna replies "The only thing that lasso compells me to do is tell the truth" implying it works on its own.Jupiterzguy 02:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- This suggests that Donna may be in possession of Diana's lasso. I don't think we'll know for sure until Diana shows up in costume. 68.142.29.10 04:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- If you re-look at the comic, you will see a panel shown where Diana has given Donna the costume and lasso at the Themyscira Embassy and walks away from it all. This shows that the lasso Donna uses in Wonder Woman Vol. 3 is Diana's lasso, not Donna's old lasso. Artemisboy 21:01, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dark Angel
Why does somebody keep removing the link to the Dark Angel page in the Magical Duplicate section? Dark Angel has her own page on Wiki now, so I don't see any reason why the link needs to constantly be removed. Tigrahawk 23:09, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Spoiler Tag
The end spoiler tag is there, but the beginning is not to be seen. I think we need to correct this problem. I have temporarily placed it at the start of the one year later section. Also, in the weapons section it describes staffs as being Donna's weapons of choice, but in the Return of Donna Troy she states that Starfire had to teach her to use them because she wasn't very good at them. Also, also, maybe we shouldn't comment on her strength being diminished OYL but can we at least make a note that her star speckled hair is gone? Jupiterzguy 02:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Superhero box pic
i know she's wonder woman in the wonder woman series, but it's obviously been late. as a result, diana is wonder woman in JLA and everywhere else. i think maybe we should get a pic with all her aliases, but still prominently feature the donna as wonder woman pic? if we can't get a good one, then never mind. opinions? --EXV // + @ 18:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
