Talk:Donkey show

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Contents 1 Markers 2 Locating a Show 3 NPOV? 4 In The Media 5 Sign Your Writing 6 Citations

[edit] Markers

There really isn't a need for three seperate markers. --Holdek 04:01, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Locating a Show

Donkey shows are elusive. Guys have been searching for years for a real one, but haven't found it! 70.176.245.102 00:04, 7 April 2005 (UTC)

Donkey shows can also allegely be seen in Japan and the far east. I never had the desire to go to one, but I had friends who were always asking me to come along with them. 208.50.67.229 14:19, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

agghh... Quite some friends you got there. tell them to use a condom! Stevo D

[edit] NPOV?

Why is Animal abuse in the see also section? I'm not a supporter of Donkey Shows, but I don't think that it's animal abuse either, it seems like an opinion to me.

edit by CaptainG. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.90.80.15 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] In The Media

This was joked about in one show by Carlos Mencia this past week (4/12/06) and pretty much he said "don't go." The phrase was also spoken in Klingon (kinda). 72.197.65.3 00:20, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Clerks 2 is said to feature a donkey show in it.--Hraorfan 00:25, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sign Your Writing

Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions. I have already corrected the unsigned mistakes above. Somnabot 16:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

Both the links at the bottom of the page and the links at the Boy's Town page indicate that that town has donkey shows. I realize these are at best anecdotal, but since it's unlikely MythBusters will ever get around to this, I think that's the best we can expect. So, I'm taking off the Citation Needed tag. I hope nobody minds. Black Carrot 05:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Cheers to that. Somnabot 21:47, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

• Citations have already been discussed above but I refer to my recent edits and reversions of those edits accusing me of a wikitantrum. Basic tenets of wikipedia include verifiability. WP:CITE states Any material that is challenged and for which no source is provided may be removed by any editor. I do not know if these shows actually happen or whether they are a topic of puerile US humour with racist undertones. Hence a cite is required for the first sentence or it needs ot be clarified. The second sentence talks about common knowledge of robberies - surely able to cite something from a guidebook warning this - else see WP:NOT - wikipedia is not a how to stay safe in Mexico for dills. If a real donkey show is performed in a particular place then a cite must be provided and that will cover the first sentence. Given the amount of anonymous editing that has happenned on this page plus editing from at least one vandalism only account, I see no reason why items in the list shoudl not cite a source to support their inclusion. I see no evidence that wikipedia allows a reference to "go see a film" at any stage. I am unaware of any film that is not referred to on a web page. Should not be beyond the capacity of editors to find cites to include the film as a pop culture reference to donkey shows with a citation of a reliable source. No source, no inclusion - should therefore be able to eliminate vandalistic entries easily. At least one pop culture reference already has a source. All that verifies for me though is that donkey shows are the subject of US humour - it does not tell me they exist.--Golden Wattle ^talk 19:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

You want citation? GO FIND IT. Your attitude displays at the least a strong hate of americans - 'Puerile US humor with racist undertones'. I am thoroughly disinclined to help you out at all. Further, cultural references do not need a line by line citation. YOu're clearly doing this to make some sort of point. Go throw your tantrum elsewhere. If you feel the introductory sentence needs a cite, ask for it. Asking for citations for every film and literary reference included on the page is ridiculous. Go rent the film. What you're asking for is "'Mark Twain wrote The Adenvtures of Tom Sawyer' I don't believe that statement, Cite proof." Proof is found by looking at the spine of the novel. Wikipedia's level of citation doesn't call for it to be so thorough as to give you a full k-12 education by way of citation. That's what you're describing and asking for. Wikipedia:Use common sense has more on this. Common sense states that if you can find Twain's tom sawyer on bookshelves, then he probably wrote it (issues of pseudonym are for the Mark Twain article). Stop your disruptive behaviors.ThuranX 20:00, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Please remain civil. Your escalation of the rhetoric here is harmful to the project, and I encourage you to remember that we're all trying to make a better encyclopedia here. Now, then, as to the debate: Technically, Golden Wattle is entirely correct. Every fact in the encyclopedia needs a citation, aside from that which is blindingly obvious (such as "Humans generally have two eyes" and the like). However, we traditionally grant a fair amount of leeway for "pop culture references" and similar trivia; as ThuranX has noted, a viewing of the media in question is often sufficient, allowing the media work itself to serve as a valid source. On the third hand, sometimes just viewing the film is not sufficient, meaning that an external source would be required. The determination of which references are which is, like everything else, done via consensus. All that said, while every statement in this article might not need a source, this article has zero sources. Not even an external link. It clearly needs something; otherwise, it's ripe for deletion. Powers ^T 15:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Several of the lines with the "citation needed" at the end actually cite other articles on Wikipedia. Several of them are also references to scenes in movies, noteably Clerks II. I think most people would consider that citing a source when the reader can simply watch the movie a case of an invalid appeal to authority. If I want to know whether Dante, Randal, Elias and Becky attend a donkey show featuring Kinky Kelly and the Sexy Stud in the movie Clerks II, the best bet is to rent the DVD when it comes out or to search my recollection of the movie and conclude that, yes, they did. Citing the Encyclopedia Brittanica isn't really necessary. I'm editing out the "citation needed" on Clerks II, since it links to the Wikipedia article on the movie which does verify.The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.77.223.122 (talk • contribs) .

I have pain-staking found a reference for each and every detail within the article. This was quite a feat, and I really feel that it was completely unnecessary. Regardless, I took the time to solve this problem. By the way, who ever added the "Citation needed" at the end of "A donkey show is an entertainment show in which a woman or man performs sexual acts with a donkey."? That was ridiculous. Somnabot 18:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Go Somma! Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Well done. I have some question about the reliability of the first couple of sources, but maybe that's just splitting hairs at this point. Powers ^T 16:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. I am looking for some new sources, but having a hard time finding something to fit the standards. Once I do find something a little less seedy than worldsexguide.org, I'll happily replace the reference. I am very familiar with the Northern border region of Mexico, and can tell you first hand that most of what is written there about Ciudad Juarez is reasonably accurate. Asides, with a brief understanding of the topic, and the application of common sense, one could responsibly conclude much of what is written anyway. I was sort of thinking that the article may need to be adjusted to purvey a more "Donkey shows are a thing of pop-culture mythology" perspective. After all, that is essentially what they have become. Somnabot 19:25, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

• Note 1 (worldsexguide.org) does not suport the assertion it references. It states Driver`s will ask you if you want to see the donkey show; I`ve never seen it; I think this is bullshit (supposedly a woman fucking a donkey). - there is no mention of robbery; the source also doubts the veracity of such a show. Source 2 (www.collegestories.com) is not a reliable source by wikipedia standards in my view - refer Wikipedia:Reliable sources#Using online and self-published sources. What is referenced now are the pop culture references - but not the real thing. --121.127.194.125 20:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I have reworded the part about the cab drivers so that I feel it is not necessary to cite a source. If you would like to check the facts, by all means ask a Juarez or Tiajuana taxi driver to take you to a donkey show. Let us know how it goes. As for your colegestories.com complaint, please find a source that is reliable to your specifications. I seem to be incapable of meeting your criteria. Please read what others have posted above, specifically that written by Black Carrot, ThuranX and Powers ^T. Somnabot 00:13, 17 December 2006 (UTC)