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[edit] Banned in Finland?

I removed the reference about Donald being banned in Finland because of his lack of pants, because it's an Urrban Legend. See http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/finland.htm

[edit] Daisy = Donna?

According to the article: "He also began starring in solo cartoons, the first of which was the January 9, 1937 Ben Sharpsteen cartoon, Don Donald. This short also introduced Donald's long-time love interest, Daisy Duck (here called Donna Duck)." According to the entry on Daisy Duck, Donna is a different character with a different (shorter) backstory (she is supposed to be Daisys sister, mother of April, May, and June Duck).

[edit] "Who's your Daddy?" parody

I can't help thinking of the "Who's your Daddy?" parody, which probably wouldn't be appropriate here. Wonder if it should be listed in Internet Humor?

[edit] understanding Donald

Is it just me? I could never understand what Donald Duck says in his cartoons.

I could. You just need to get to know Donald in person, like I have, and after that, he speaks as clear as a crystal. -- Lan56 Jan 1, 2005

Up until about the middle of the 1940s, it was almost impossible to make it out, however, after Carl Barks and others started developing the Donald Duck universe, things became quite a lot better.

Also, there are made a lot of comic-stories about Donald Duck, where he isn't only a quacking duck, he's a damn unlucky, out of job, incompetent, extremely competent everything. ;)

In most scandinavian countries there has been weekly comic-magazines dedicated to Donald Duck for the last 40-50 years.

I remember being told (back in the 1980s) that European translators often didn't translate Donald Duck's words because it wasn't clear to them that he was actually saying anything. This apparently happened with the Chef on the Muppet Show as well. Can anyone confirm this? Does it still happen? Just curious

I don't think this is true for Donald. According to my animation books, Clarence Nash performed Donald in every language he was translated to until he died. The translators would write out the part phonetically, and Nash would quack away. Donald's speech is so garbled anyway that any mistakes on Nash's part wouldn't be too obvious. BrianSmithson 18:36 Apr 10, 2003 (UTC)
I'm not sure the Swedish Chef even speaks in English on the American version of the Muppet Show. I think it's just gibberish. -- Funnyhat 21:27, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
On danish TV I have often heard Donald speak english in otherwise fully translated shorts. Actually it's possible to see this at least once every year, in the "From all of us, to all of you" christmas special. It's shown on different TV stations with different parts translated, but Donalds parts are never translated. By the way, in Denmark Donald Duck is more popular than any other Disney figure. You could say he holds Mickey Mouses position as Disneys main mascot here. There's a weekly Donald Duck magazine that's been published since the 50's.

Actually I've not seen a Donald Duck movie for a LONG time. Its the comics that is popular in Europe. About translating Donald movies, some translate it ok, others don't. It varies.

[edit] rephrased this article

Some may wonder why I have rephrased this article according to Donald's year of birth etcetera. Easy - because it was not written from a neutral point of view. Don Rosa's opinions on this subjects are not, and will probably never be, "facts", but one very subjective way of looking at the Disney universe. The page is still not "perfectly" neutral, but to make it perfectly neutral I had two choices. One of them is adding all other theories than Rosa's to this article, which I simply don't have time for. The other option is to delete this entire paragraphs instead of re-writing them. And even though that probably would be the correct thing to do according to Wikipedia policies, I'm just a nice guy, and I know that such a deletion would make some people very pissed off.

[edit] Paperinik

"In some Italian stories Donald has a superhero alias, Paperinik (Superduck)." The same character also have turned up in Swedish comics. There his name is Stålkalle. In Norway he's called Fantonald. // Liftarn 12:42 Jan 9, 2003 (UTC)

But if you look at the name of the creator of the comics (at least in Germany), you can see, that they are Italians. Maybe also the Swedish are the ones made by italians. Can you verify? (In general, not only related to Paperinik)Fantasy 07:52 Apr 11, 2003 (UTC)
Yes, the stories are ususlly the same throughout europe.

And calling the Superduck comics Italian, would be correct, as most of them are produced by the publisher Mondadori in Italy. He was invented there too.

I'm starting to think that we should move the Superduck/Paperinik information to a new page, since it's grown very much (BTW good job, you anonymous IP person who did it! :-) ). I also think (but I haven't checked) that since the name "Superduck" has never been used in print (or has it?) we should just call the page "Paperinik", since it's best known by its original name all over the world. Lazarus Long 21:09, 6 Aug 2003 (UTC)
The Norwegian name Fantonald is like a portmanteau of Fantomet (The Phantom) and Donald. The Phantom comics by Lee Falk has traditionally been very popular in Scandinavia.

Thanks, I have been working on improving this article for some time. Its good to know I haven't completely failed. Dividing the article to a new page would not be a bad idea, since it is getting to be too long already. I have been wondering about the name "Superduck" myself. According to the Inducks it has only been used in the United Kingdom. I remember from previous discussions in the DCML, that British members living there have described their magazines as marketed mainly towards young children. An audience more familiar with Superman than Diabolik persumably. As "Paperinik" the character has starred in a videogame and has been marketed in the USA under his original name. I would dismiss "Superduck" in favor of "Paperinik" but I am probably biased on the matter. Any thoughts? User: Dimadick

I've tried and research a bit. On DCML the common name for him is "Paperinik". I understand the character has been used in three stories in the USA under the name "Duck Avenger" (!) and that he's now known (?) simply as PK, for a videogame. No trace of "Superduck" that, as you said, was used briefly in the UK (and there's another Superduck I think, from Archie Comics). Since DCML is an English-speaking ML and since PK is a short form of Paperink (or at least it used to be) I do think that the name to use, according to the wikipedia rules, is "Paperinik", with Superduck, PK and Duck Avenger (provided they don't already exist) redirecting to it. Do you agree? If so if you (or anybody) want to go ahead and move the page... otherwise I'll take care of it, probably next week, since I'll be out for the weekend. BTW, you did a great job on the page! Lazarus Long 21:46, 7 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Done! Discussion about Paperinik can continue on its own talk page. Lazarus Long 23:19, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I understand that Donald Duck comics have a large following in Europe. But is it really necessary to list every alternative name for him (and for "Superduck") in every country? There are other-language versions of Wikipedia for people who want to know about things in other countries. BrianSmithson 16:49 Apr 12, 2003 (UTC)

There's a page named Disney characters' names in various languages for that. Ericd 16:59 Apr 12, 2003 (UTC)

Does anyone know what Disney's official position on the wartime shorts are these days? I hear most of them are never shown anymore, and those that are are heavily edited. Is this correct?

"Der Fuehrer's Face" is almost impossible to find cause of its negative depiction of Nazism and totalitarian regimes in general. Apparently it is now considered offensive. "Commando Duck", which is a personal favorite to me, has been heavily edited in recent releases because of the depiction of the Japanese snippers that is considered either offensive or stereotyped with phrases like "Always shoot a man in the back". The others seem to appearing from time to time with only a few scenes edited. For example "The Vanishing Private" has a scene were sergeant Pete, driven mad by Donald, is throwing hand grenades everywhere around him. That is usualy edited now, as too violent but the rest of the short is intact. This policy seems to be only used for Donald shorts because shorts featuring Mickey, Goofy and the others usualy had nothing to do with the war. Donald was the only Disney character depicted as drafted. User:Dimadick

[edit] Paperinik (again)

I'm not sure I agree very much with the image change... the old one was ugly, that's sure, but this one's even worse. I really don't think there could be any copyright issue if we placed one clear image of Donald from a comic book or a cartoon... there can't be any doubts this is fair use, it's even safer that book covers since no one can consider a frame or a panel a "unit" of anything... Lazarus Long 22:20, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

And I don't agree with calling Superduck by his Italian name on a website that uses the english language. Nobody outside of Italy sure as hell calls him Paperinik. Call him Superduck, which happens to be his English name.

Just take Google:
  • "Superduck Disney" 110 (many of this pages just translations)
  • "Paperinik Disney" 4380
  • "PK Disney" 57400 (PK = Paperinik)
In the end, who knows what/who Superduck is? Fantasy 14:20, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)
PS: I just saw, there was already a discussion about this (see above...)

[edit] Orange Juice

Should the article mention the Donald Duck brand Orange Juice? Maybe it's not as popular as I thought, but I remember drinking it all the time at my grandmother's house (not more than five years ago). Each carton had (has) a Donald comic strip on it, and that's the only place I have ever seen Donald comics.

I would like to link also to List of Disney characters' names in various languages but I don't know where.

Background: I was looking for the character names in other countries, and obviously searched at Donald Duck first, but didn't find it there.

I think it makes sense.

Thanks Nils

I'm a Finn and a bit bothered by the start of the article where it is sort of suggested that Donald could have been banned in Finland. I think I can honestly say Donald Duck is the most popular comic book character in Finland. He's definitely more popular than Mickey Mouse. I think it's mostly due to the smart and creative translations in his weekly comic book Aku Ankka (I'm not sure if it's technically a "book") and also because Finns (for some reason) identify with Carl Bark's Donald (and derivatives).

If you read what they say at snopes.com, you can read from between the lines how popular Donald is in Finland. If he wasn't, do you think the whole urban legend would have started? (Ignore the last paragraph. I think it's mostly added as a joke.)

My point is "but this is an urban legend" is a very bad understatement. :-)

Lakefall 12:21, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] style; section length

The first two sections are awfully long; some subsections would make it much easier to browse and figure out what's going on. The process of subsectioning might improve the overview, too. +sj+ 01:44, 2004 Mar 28 (UTC) (someone without time to read the whole art right now :( )

May I inquire what is quite a large amount of text about Scrooge McDuck's character development doing in the middle of the article? It could be added to the character's own, but it certainly seems rather out of place here... -- Kizor 21:40, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Donald's Car

In an Egmont story, I believe it was stated that the car was manufactured, but only three cars were made, due to poor quality and sales. It was called "Skruttomobil 2000" in swedish, I think, a rough personal translation into english could be "Kaputtomobile 2000". I don't know much about this story, I haven't read that in years. I think the idea that it was built by Donald himself, was stated in different Barks and Rosa stories...

[edit] Maui Mallard Video Game

I think the Maui Mallard video game should be mentioned. Sega/Genesis/PC 1995-1996. I guess the main character is "Maui Mallard", but the resemblance seems intentional... http://www.gamefaqs.com/search/index.html?game=maui+mallard&x=0&y=0 Personally, I prefer this game to Quackshot, since I like the darker mood and the more cartoony feeling.

  • Agreed, since Donald's name is mentioned on the game a time or two. I think it may be possible that Maui Mallard was, in the game, portrayed BY Donald himself, in a way. Boredalot 11:02, 22 November 2005

[edit] Voice actor credit

In the introductory paragraph, would it be well to mention that Nash is Donalds original voice specifically?

[edit] Donald the wrestler

I just removed this bit:

Donald's greatest moment of glory in the animated shorts was his semi-professional boxing bout with his former army sergeant Pete (fighting under the misleading monicker "Peewee Pete"). Even though Peter outweighed Donald by at least twenty to one, the little duck won a "David and Goliath" victory, knocking his opponent out cold. Pete, it turns out, has a glass jaw.

The short referred to is not named, and the information is not all that relevant to Donald in general, in my opinion. It's also POV. BrianSmithson 7 July 2005 16:54 (UTC)


I am not convinced that Super Duck is an italian job only, it could be also one of Carl Barks charachters, since he in denmark was in commics since the 60-ties..

The New series with Evron and an Insane scientist that wants to read all peoples mind...

Sounds more like me that David Icke wrote them, not Italians-...

[edit] Article size

The article has grown to 37 KB in size, 5 KB over the suggested Wikipedia limit. I see that about 3/4 of the page is devoted to Donald Duck in comic books. I propose we move this information to Donald Duck in comics and move to summary style here. This would make it so that the sections on animation and comic books receive relatively equal treatment in the main article, and it would save the comic-book information so that those who want more information can easily find it. Plus, we'd be back under the 32-KB article-size limit. Any thoughts or objections? BrianSmithson 11:43, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Sounds like a good idea! Then, if the animation part starts to grow, another Donald Duck in animation page would be in order... --Janke | Talk 16:24, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A note from a viewer

I removed the following from the main article:

Donald Duck was "enlisted" by Walt Disney as a mascot/emblum of the US Coast Guard Auxillary aka "The Corsair Fleet." (for reference only) see following link:http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/h_beachpatrol.html

Based on the title, I don't believe this was supposed to be an addition to the article, but rather a note to editors working on the article. So here it is. —BrianSmithson 13:42, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Donald Fauntleroy Duck

Since Disney's official website lists it as his middle name, does that mean it's canonical?[1]--Folksong 00:54, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

(Moved from my talk page:) Well, I'm hesitant to admit anything as "canon" when talking about cartoon shorts. Donald's appearance changed drastically over the decades, for example; how do you explain that if you're trying to establish a "canon"? As far as the Donald Duck article goes, I'd prefer to leave things as they are; the "middle name" thing is mentioned, but it's not in the first line of the article. Think about it from the perspective of someone who is familiar with Disney and its characters but doesn't know all the trivia. If the first thing they see is "Donald Fantleroy Duck is a cartoon character. . . " they're going to think What? Remember, Donald is not a real person. And note that the official Disney article you linked to doesn't mention the "middle name" until a few paragraphs in. Do any of the comic books mention his middle name? That's the closest to "canon" we're likely to get. — BrianSmithson 03:27, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kingdom Hearts

I deleted this text:

[2]
This is Donald Duck as seen in the Kingdom Hearts Series.
Royal wizard of the King's Court, Donald is skilled with magic. One day, Donald finds a letter from the King explaining his departure. Donald Duck sets out with Goofy to find and assist the King in the battle against the Heartless. Donald Duck has been a favorite Disney character for over sixty years!

I just don't see why it's necessary to call this out when no cartoon gets this much attention, much less a video game. — BrianSmithson 02:06, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Ditto for the Kingdom Hearts template. Donald is in Kingdom Hearts, yes. But this game is very, very insignificant in the life of this character. Using the template here gives a skewed view of the importance of that one game series to a character who is much, much more well-known as a cartoon and comics character. -- BrianSmithson 19:21, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the template again. If necessary, we can take this to dispute resolution, because I am a very firm believer that this one insignificant video game is but a wrinkle in this character's 70-year history. — BrianSmithson 15:34, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Another big section on Kingdom Hearts has been removed. If this kind of detail is desired, I propose someone create Characters of Kingdom Hearts and put it there. — BrianSmithson 20:39, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
List of Kingdom Hearts characters. I refuse to touch it even with a ten foot pole because it's essentially garbage, but, yeah. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 00:06, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
I think that this official artwork (drawn by Tetsuya Nomura) of Donald should be used as his KH picture in his article: http://www.kh2.co.uk/assets/kh/artwork/026.jpg NeoSeifer
By all rights donald deserves a section devoted to his role in KH, (it is a MAJOR role), Mickey has his on his page and Dolnalds will go here as I am createing it now!Lego3400: The Sage of Time 03:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Also, Donalds career was going downhill, if anything KH broght him bakc into the limelight. The section will remain. OFFICAL NOTICE FROM WIKIPROJECT SQUARE-ENIX

[edit] Donald's name is other languages

1) Sorry for the rollback. I should have just reverted without using the rollback button. I won't let it happen again. 2) Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. A long list of names in other languages is hardly encyclopedic for an article like this. 3) We already have an article on this. It's at List of Disney characters' names in various languages#Donald Duck. 4) The article is already very long. Splitting the list of names in other languages is a good idea, as it follows the rules laid out at Wikipedia:Summary style. 5) The long list of names also strays close to violating Wikipedia is not a dictionary; I'd argue that it's something more appropriate for Wiktionary than Wikipedia. — BrianSmithson 03:52, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Ah, and finally: 6) This was already decided in favor of not doing this in April 2003. — BrianSmithson 03:53, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I dont agree at all. Donald Duck is a name not a word. It is surely completely normal wikipedia practice to give alternative names in other languages in the main article. No question of violating the 'not a dictionary' criterion in my view. In any case I deliberately left out the alternative names which could be considered mere translations such as "el pato Donald". BTW I dont think one can say this article is so very long and justify removing it on those grounds. I dont have the information but I would argue that the section should be retained and even expanded to explain why Disney chose some of the foreign names (what are the connotations they were looking for in other languages). The internationalisation is part of the Donald Duck story. How he became a world-wide character. But the main argument for retention it seems to me is simply user-friendliness. The user who searches for Donald Duck should be able to find the Donald-specific information in one place. I really cant see why this particular info is inappropriate here. Its difficult for me to argue agianst you because it just seems so obvious to me that this is the right place! Anyway, no hard feelings either way. Jameswilson 04:12, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
No problem, James. I'll be honest with you: I am absolutely, 100% against including this information here. I like to write every article with the intention that it will one day be a Featured Article Candidate, and let me assure you, lists like this are the first thing to get axed when an article goes through that process. The article contains a bunch of other listcruft as well, but that's just because no one has put it through FAC or gone in and removed it. But frankly, I don't see that listing a bunch of foreign names for the character is all that helpful. I mean, we could do the same for every other cartoon character, every American film that ever was localized overseas, every video game, but do we? It's just too much information, and it looks (IMO) kind of fannish. And the existence of a whole article on this topic negates any user friendliness issues in my opinion. I appreciate that you didn't just revert back, but if you sincerely believe this list belongs here, I think we're at a standstill. I'm willing to wait a bit to see if anyone else wants to weigh in, or we could move onto to dispute resolution procedures. What say you? — BrianSmithson 12:49, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How to do the voice?

Anyone know of any resource which explains how Donald Duck voice actors and sound-alikes do the voice? - Brian Kendig 04:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Only Mascot??

This article says that Donald is the only major film star to be a school's mascot. However, I remember as a child that Stetson University in DeLand, FL (about 45 minutes from disney world) used to use the Mad Hatter from Alice in Wonderland as their mascot (they are called the hatters). I still have an old flag from when I was about 5 with the Mad Hatter spinning a basketball on his finger. Just wondering if anyone could find some other proof of this and maybe we can change that part. - James Troupe 17 April, 2006

[edit] Duck Tales??

How come there isn't any descriptions of Donald's character in the show Duck Tales, but there are picture refrences to it? And why isn't there any mention at all now of Scrooge McDuck? I can understand taking out text that over focues on him, but I think he deserves some mention. The same goes for other Donald Duck inspired characters such as Launchpad, Darkwing Duck, and Gizmooduck. While it is true that too much focus on these characters wouldn't fit the article, I believe some mention should be included as Donald Duck is directly responsible for these characters and the popularity of their series, which were all modeled after his basic design. - Livingston 18:58 17 April, 2006 (UTC)

There's plenty of discussion of these characters and their relationship to Donald at Scrooge McDuck universe. Discussing everything again here would be redundant. As for Donald's role in DuckTales, well, he doesn't really have a role. He was in the pilot episode and never returned as far as I know. — BrianSmithson 19:01, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Then shouldn't there at least be some mention of his uncle with a link to the Scrooge McDuck universe? And I do remember Donald appearing a couple more times in the Duck Tales series. My complaint is the lack of any description of his modern character. Livingston 19:09 17 April, 2006 (UTC)

Let me guess. This was Tony Anselmo's first gig as Donald. Right? 71.111.215.224 00:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Isn't there a better picture of donald duck?

The picture used, featuring a donald duck statuette is not a very good reference on the classic Donald Duck especially as drawn by Carl Barks.

Isn't there a good Carl Barks picture to use for this article?

[edit] Israeli Lawsuit

Someone changed "Moby Duck" to "The Duck"; I changed it back and here's why: The character Dudu Geva was sued for is not his famous "duck" which he often used as a stand in for himself but "Moby Duck," a different character that obviously cannot appear anywhere since he lost the case and was forced to remove all the books containing it from the shelves. "The Duck" was never an issue and Geva continued using it in his comics up to his death in 2005. AshcroftIleum 00:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

According to [3] the character's name was Donald Dach. In the story Moby Duck. It was indeed not "The Duck" Garion96 (talk) 01:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Donald's Birthday

I don't understand why the external link to the discussion about Donald Duck's birthday (1914 March 13) was removed. It presented some original "research" into the "history" of Donald Duck that has never before been presented.

Donald Duck is not a real person, so his fictional birthday is not very pertinent to the article. The purpose of an encyclopedia is to describe the universe in which we live, and in that universe, Donald Duck is a fictional construct, not a living and breathing being. You may want to read our guidelines on writing about fiction. — BrianSmithson 01:38, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

It's typical of what wikipedia has become, everytime someone who is not a wikipedia expert makes an edit, someone will point to him rules that he has not follow. In the end, wikipedia is not made by those who contribute to the text, but solely by those who make the rules. Note that I also admire wikipedia, but in the end the rules end up to uniformisation and loss of originality. Herve661

People are not pointing to rules and guidelines to inhibit originality or to appear to be "wikipedia experts". They are doing it so that you can see how the community does things and understand the thought processes behind these decisions. If you went to Japan and started doing things that the Japanese considered against their customs, you might be told politely that what you were doing was not acceptable. A place like Wikipedia is no different. At any rate, don't let these kinds of things drive you away. Rather, learn the rules and contribute from within their framework. And if you disagree with a rule, post to the talk page explaining why. You're just as important as the next contributor, so get to writing! — BrianSmithson 19:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First image on the top, in the box

Is the photo really GFDL? If it is, then load it on Commons, otherwise change the licence tag. --Ggonnell 17:54, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Donald's name in other languages

Please see WP:NOT. Translation is not Wikipedia's business; if people want to find Donald's name in other languages, they can click the inter-language links on the left side of the screen. There was an article for all the Disney characters' names in other languages, but it was deleted (on the grounds of WP:NOT). That does not mean this information belongs in the individual articles; it means it does not belong on Wikipedia at all. — BrianSmithson 20:33, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Three observations

Three observations:

This bit: "Because his movies couldn't reach Europe anymore because of the war, Walt Disney had to find new markets. By making movies about Latin America, Disney thought he could interest the people there in his movies. Therefore, he made a long trip to the continent with some of his artists, to gain insight in the life and art there. These trips resulted in two films which star Donald: Saludos Amigos (where Donald meets Jose Carioca), and, more prominent, The Three Caballeros (where he meets Panchito)." is not correct from what I've read. The Latin America visits were part of an anti-Nazi (or perhaps anti-Communist) push by the US government and had little to do with new markets.

The bit about Donald Duck orange juice does not seem worth noting, as Donald has sponsored lots and lots of products during his career. Why single out the orange juice?

The section on the comic books is getting too long again. A lot of this information is already covered in Donald Duck in comics, so I may remove a lot of it soon if I get the chance. — BrianSmithson 21:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] cvgproj Template

Does cvgproj really belong on this article? The video games section of it is just a list of games, games which are covered in much greater detail on their respective pages and are rightly part of cvgproj. To say that the Duck himself should be part of cvgproj is IMO pushing it a bit. I'll wait for comments and remove cvgproj if a valid argument fails to arise. - X201 12:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to be under the impression that Kingdom Hearts is more significant to Donald's career than it really is. That's my guess as to why the CVGProj box was added. I agree that it doesn't really belong here. — BrianSmithson 12:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Ditto here. I removed it from the article. The same could be said about the ducktales template, Donald was only a (very) minor character in the series. Garion96 (talk) 12:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. I'll yank that one too. — BrianSmithson 22:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
About the DuckTales template. I changed it so that Donald is listed as a minor character. Would it be appropriate to bring it back in this case? Granted, his role on the show did not have a huge impact on his career or anything, aside from being one of Tony Anselmo's earliest roles as Donald. --Narlee 04:57, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't think so, because his part was so small in Ducktales it seems weird to have a big template mentioning it. The 'Different appearances' section is good enough for a mention. Garion96 (talk) 13:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No better main-pic?

Of AAAAAAAAAAALL the pictures of Donald that have been drawn through the years, is that the best we can find for the main-pic of the article??? I know most of the pics of him aren't in the public domain.... but comman! This is Donald Duck. Donald Duck and his friends are ALL ABOUT visual art... fair-use anyone? PureRumble 22:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Kingdom Hearts

Due to your lack of acknloge ment of Donalds great role in KH Series I am doing it personally... I have also alerted the SE project to help. Mickey, Goofy and Malificent go into depth on their roles. See Mickey Mouse#Kingdom Hearts series See how long that is (TOUCH IT AND I WILL REVERT IT! AND DECLARE WAR ON YOU).. This is what he needs. I'm trying top keep him uniform with Mickey and Goofy! So please.. Listen to reason.. I don't want to go over your heads to an admin.Lego3400: The Sage of Time 17:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm from WP:SE, and I really don't agree with you puttting in paragraphs that don't say why his appearance in KH is notable in comparison to everything else he's been in. Go to an admin if you wish, but "declaring war" and vowing to revert anyone who opposes you is really not acceptable. --PresN 17:13, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Furthermore, KH's inclusion has been discussed an a consensus reached. If you feel the need, start a discussion to try to get people to reconsider its inclusion rather than just make unilateral declarations/threats. Shsilver 17:17, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Lego3400. I am an admin, and you have no right to "declare war" on anybody. Wikipedia works by consensus, so if you wish to discuss the possible inclusion of information form Kingdom Hearts in this article, the appropriate means of doing so is to raise the issue on this talk page and to do so in a civil manner. The presense of Kingdom Hearts material on other pages is no argument for its inclusion here; many of the editors who watch this particular page don't watch Mickey Mouse or Goofy. -- BrianSmithson 02:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I also don't see the need for a special kingdom hearts section. It already is mentioned in the article in the further developments section. If people would want to read more they can always click on Kingdom Hearts. Garion96 (talk) 03:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes but... Look at ALL the Disney characters that are in kingdom hearts. The major characters get a paragraph. The minor ones get a few sentences. (EX: Scrooge got 2 sentences and a Screen shot, Donald got no image This one is the former but is getting the treatment of the latter. I'm just trying make things a bit more uniform. Also most of the other pages talk about video game appearances. This page only gives a list (Which might I add is frowned upon) Putting it into prose is normally better. I'm sure the people at the Disney Project Agrees that making character pages uniform is a big thing. I apologize for my rudeness but I'm trying to do what is right. Lego3400: The Sage of Time 03:26, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I have merged it into a subsection of the Beyond Disney. It has an image and a few more sentences than you gave can we use this as a compromise? (If not, I have already asked Wikiproject Disney to act as mediators) Lego3400: The Sage of Time 03:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

My preference would be that Kingdom Hearts get no more than a sentence or two. But I've edited things to a paragraph that should more than adequately describe Donald's role in the game. If more detail is desired, I suggest it be done at List of Kingdom Hearts characters or the like. -- BrianSmithson 06:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, hows this version. Has a bit more detial than you had, however. Most of it was alredy in the article (the changeing forms) Mixed with what was in the KH Charcters page. It no longer has it's own section though? Is this a fair compromise?Lego3400: The Sage of Time 16:27, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

No, because that gives way too much weight to Kingdom Hearts, which is not all that important to Donald Duck as a character. Rather, it is the other way around. Donald is way more noteworthy and significant than the game, so the bulk of that text belongs in List of Kingdom Hearts characters or in Kingdom Hearts. There are so many other milestones in Donald's career that are much more significant to him, yet none receives that level of detail in this article (nor should it). Your changes are an example of recentism and undue weight. Look at it this way: Why should there be more text devoted to KH than to The Wise Little Hen (Donald's first cartoon appearance), Don Donald (his first starring role), or Der Fuehrer's Face (widely discussed by critics)? There shouldn't. A few sentences should be more than adequate to cover Donald's role in this game series. — BrianSmithson 22:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I have gone ahead and moved the longer version of Donald's role in Kingdom Hearts to List of Kingdom Hearts characters. It is appropriate there, but not here. -- BrianSmithson 04:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
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