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The Original Barnstar
For your heroic efforts in trudging through editing hell (and looking at your vast history of awesome, well-placed, and generally warm-fuzzy-feeling edits), you get Barnstarred! (Why the heck didn't someone give it to you before?) V-Man737 09:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Welcome!

Hello, Dmz5, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  Sr13 07:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Image tagging for Image:Harvardgleeclub.jpg

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[edit] Peer Review for Harvard Glee Club

Hello. I have completed a peer review for Harvard Glee Club as requested. Please feel free to comment on my suggestions. Gzkn 00:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Patent nonsense

Calling other editors names almost always indicates a weak argument, and this is true in this case. The "nanny" is quite right and you are wrong. "Tomatoes are devious items. They haunt my dreams." is a short article with no context. It is not patent nonsense. Do not abuse the patent nonsense speedy deletion criterion. Patent nonsense is content that is irredemably incomprehensible. An article such as the above is comprehensible. It simply contains no context, i.e. no clue to readers and to other editors as to what the subject of the article is. (There could be a subject. The subject could be a work of poetry from which that line is quoted, for example.) Use the correct criteria. Uncle G 11:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adam4Adam salted

You asked: "I have a question: why was the article Adam4Adam deleted and protected? I am correct that this was an attempt at an article about the networking/sex website? I was recently doing some research on this exact topic and coincidentally saw this on the list of protected deleted pages. What was the cause of this happening? (You are shown as the admin who did the deed.)"

I assure you that I have nothing against the website itself (though in all fairness, I've never been to that website). The problem was that the page kept on being recreated, each time failing Wikipedia guidelines. I wasn't responsible for the first two times it was deleted but the third time, it was recreated without an undeletion vote and still had no indication as to why this particular website was notable (see WP:WEB). The page could be recreated if WP:WEB and WP:UNDEL were followed. If you would like to see the content of the page before it was deleted, please let me know. I can assure you there is nothing there that could help in your research, however. --Yamla 17:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blair Brown

Hey DMZ, no problem on the Blair Brown article. It's been on my watchlist for about a month - and wow, it was a mess - but I'd been on vacation. When I saw your tag I figured I'd better spring into action. Thanks for reminding me! NickBurns 20:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nottinghamshire villages

Thanks, I take your point...however, these are but the first stepping stones to bigger articles once I get chance to add more. They will not stay that way for long. Thanks again for your advice though. Peter morrell 08:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Academy Award Criticism

The blanket removal of an entire section that's been part of the article for probably a year or more is simply vandalism, and smells suspicious to me. At the most, the section needs to be hit with [citation needed] tags and action taken to source the material. Unless you know absolutely nothing about these awards and the movie business in general, all this information is common knowledge and would not be that difficult to source. Removing the entire section is not a solution and this is not what happens on Wikipedia, generally speaking. What does happen here all too often is people taking matters into their own hands under the badge of "policy". Armed with policy interpretations, they force their personal will onto a given article. I believe this is what is going on here. In the meantime, this section needs to remain as is. Instead of being lazy and simply removing content, participate in the research, if necessary, and stop vandalising the page. The "Criticism" section has weathered countless edits, by editors more experienced than either of us. If there was this grave policy issue as you represent, it seems these senior editors would have discovered it by now and taken action. Thank you. Cleaningdepartment 19:24, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:201.14.75.171

Out of curiosity, are you editing from this address and/or IP range as well? Forgot to sign in? Cleaningdepartment 19:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Impressive

I must tell you that I am very impressed with the quality of the edits you just made to the Academy Awary Criticism area. That section is much stronger now than it was. I apologize for my heavy tone earlier. Cleaningdepartment 22:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 11:11

Hello. Thanks for leaving a comment ont the discussion about this article. I wasn't sure though whether or not you were voting to keep/delete or just making a comment. If you have a preference, could you add it to your comment? Thanks. TheRingess 17:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick reply. It is a good idea to comment on afds, it helps build consensus. Take care. TheRingess 18:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stephen Paulus on DYK

Updated DYK query On 19 December 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Stephen Paulus, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

— ERcheck (talk) 21:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Various

I came to your talk page to discuss the expected, but instead first noticed the above from DYK, so: Nice work on Stephen Paulus! He's a good composer, and has needed an article for a while. (Now I'm picking through his works list in Grove trying to recall everything I've heard.) There's more composers like that still needing articles! Glad to see you here.

Regarding our friend at Lorenzo Perosi, it's a painful case, since he's obviously a knowledgeable musician who would have a lot to contribute if he'd just abide by policy. Sigh ... Antandrus (talk) 16:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which did not succeed and was closed early at 2/10/9. I am not discouraged, however, and will use the experience to improve my skills until a later date when I may succeed. Yuser31415 20:42, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eva Green

Thanks for clearing that up- I can now sleep soundly not having to worry about that apparent absurdity.

Europus 05:07, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your article, Ellen Taaffe Zwilich, was selected for DYK!

Updated DYK query On December 24, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ellen Taaffe Zwilich, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 00:01, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your article, Elliot Forbes, was selected for DYK!

Updated DYK query On December 25, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Elliot Forbes, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 09:07, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Updated DYK query On January 19, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Paul Moravec, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Merci, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LorenzoPerosi1898 socks

Thanks for spotting those LP socks. I've blocked those that werent already. Please let me know if you see anymore (I'm on vacation at the mo or I would have acted much quicker) Thanks again!  Glen  01:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bad Faith in the List of Avatar the Last Airbender characters AfD

Just so you know, the problem with the nomination here is not related to the notability or importance of the characters. The nominator actually wants these pages around, just in a different form. For some reason, he is highly opposed to the existence of this page, and it seems there are a few other editors that seemed to have formed a bit of an insular clique on the Avatar pages. Some of them are decent folks, but there is a tendency to be a little uncivil at times, or just plain irate. Some of it might be frustration from vandals, but I am concerned at the attitudes. Ah well, hopefully this discussion will be more persuasive than I have been. I think their might be a bit too much personalization in the dispute. Mister.Manticore 07:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Interview for public radio show

Hi there,

My name is Neille Ilel and I'm a producer with a national public radio show called Weekend America. We want to do a story on the fine line between an individual who deserves an entry on Wikepedia and one who doesn't. As someone who's weighed in on the issue, I was hoping you might be able to chat over the phone for a few minutes.

We're a conversational show and want to have a relatively laid-back discussion about what goes on in Wikipedia, just to let you know that this isn't a debate-type show where we encourage fighting.

If you're up for it, or if you have any questions, you can e-mail me at nilel (at) marketplace (dot) org to set something up.

[http://weekendamerica.publicradio.org/ ] Thanks! Neille

Neille i 22:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


Web Producer Weekend America 213 621 3450 http://weekendamerica.publicradio.org/

[edit] Hey!

Oh yes, I am very sorry. Wikipedia is quite new for me yet, so I wasn't sure what I am going to do. Joutsen-DD 18:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You have my attention

I followed your unsigned signpost entry to your user history and I must say I'm pleased by what I see: a collection of DYK entries, a lot of AFD work, and even a barnstar. You look like the kind of editor who'd raise a WP:OWN question where a real problem exists, but it's hard to pick out the article among your rather prolific contributions. Please drop by my user talk and point me in the right direction. DurovaCharge 23:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hurdy gurdy GA nomination

Thanks for looking at Hurdy gurdy. A few of us have tried to improve the layout and flow, per your request. If you get a chance, please look at what we've done so that we aren't heading the wrong direction from your perspective, and let u know if if what we've done matches what you had in mind. Thanks +Fenevad 15:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Templates

{{pagename}} takes you to [[Template:pagename]]. From there you make your template such as Template:Cornell in the instance to which you refered on my user talk page.--Xtreambar 21:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] barnstar

  • falls over* Thank you. I really needed that this morning. :) Vashti 07:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Henry Cowell

D-u-u-u-d-e!! Before critiquing the article, try reading the article. Everyone who actually does that (after noticing, of course, that Cowell is identified as a "teacher" in both the lead sentence and infobox), finds this:

During this era, Cowell also spread the ultra-modernists' experimental creed as a highly regarded teacher of composition and theory—among his many students were George Gershwin, Lou Harrison, who said he thought of Cowell as "the mentor of mentors," and John Cage, who proclaimed Cowell "the open sesame for new music in America."

and this:

[Cowell] went on to investigate Indian classical music and, in the late 1920s, began teaching courses in world music at schools in California and New York—[Lou] Harrison's tutelage under Cowell would begin when he enrolled in one such course in San Francisco.

and this:

[H]e would spend the next four years in San Quentin State Prison. There he taught fellow inmates....

and this:

Cowell resumed teaching—Burt Bacharach was one of his postwar students....

I'd love to hear about these "large gaps in coverage," but maybe first figure out who's really "unfocused." Best, D—DCGeist 09:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

No need to get defensive - Dmz was referring to the article as unfocused, not the character of anyone editing the article. Indeed, while very full of useful content, the article does seem a bit ambling. My suggestion would be to use more headers in the longer paragraphs so that the reader will have a better idea of what is being discussed. Also, for the sake of context, those parts about teaching could be moved or reiterated in a section called "teaching career" or something like that. No person is unfocused, just the article. V-Man737 10:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I put a response on the article's talk page, where this belongs.--Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 16:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Listcruft

I think that after all those villain lists being delete, that this one survived would be a tragedy. Axem Titanium 03:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peninniah

I would not strongly oppose a merger. However, there's no original research in the article. I had access to absolutely no primary sources. The speculation is found in the secondary sources on Father Divine (listed on his article). I apologize that it was written before articles were inline cited, but it needs cleanup, not deletion. Cool Hand Luke 02:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FAR Protocols

When you submit an article to Wikipedia:Featured article review, as you did with Comet Hyakutake, please consider messaging the concerned projects and users, as written in the submitting instructions. I have done this for you in this case, but when many are submitted on the same day, it creates a lot of work for me. Thanks, Jeffpw 09:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chorus Paulinus

Thank you very much for the comment. Do you think it best to transfer the list/s to a separate List of notable songs of the Chorus Paulinus page ? Please give me some feedback. Thank you. --Ate Pinay (talk•email) 04:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I beg to disagree with you on this. Yes, there is a third party involved in this article. I , and Wikipedia admin User:Zscout370 are actually collaborating with the founder and members of Chorus Paulinus on this article. I am not a fan writing this article nor am I a member of Chorus Paulinus. I am just a Filipino who believe in the notability of this church based-choir. You can confirm my statement here with User:Zscout370 because he has copies of the email exchanges and permissions sent, and with the founder, Fr. Arnold Zamora at his email address: arnold_zamora@yahoo.com. If you click on the sample songs as well as the images, he has been gracious as to release the copyrights of his songs to public domain. Also, in the history, you will see the editors of the article. Several of them are member of Chorus Paulinus. I appreciate your comments. But please confirm your facts first before you issue or write base-less comments or statements. --Ate Pinay (talk•email) 04:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I got what you are saying and where you are coming from. I do appreciate your points. Give me time to reflect on your statements, discuss your comment/s with Fr. Arnold Zamora and the members of Chorus Paulinus, as well as the Filipino Wikipedia community in Tambayan Philippines and get back to you with more information on the matter. For the meantime, feel free to check on both the articles Chorus Paulinus and Arnold Zamora and let us know your comment/s further. Like you, I too would like to make sure that both articles follow Wikipedia policies, especially on WP:NPOV etc.--Ate Pinay (talk•email) 05:29, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Singing Priests of Tagbilaran

Perhaps you can also check out this new article, and likewise suggest areas of improvement. Thank you!--Ate Pinay (talk•email) 06:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:AfD note

Wait, so you're allowed to notify people of AfDs so long as the notification is neutral? Axem Titanium 22:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Afshar experiment

FWIW, I have found Prof. Afshar to be a reasonable and well-tempered personality. Unfortunately, his ideas attract negaitve attention. I've attempted to mediate in the past, with little success. Danko should be barred from the talk page; he is incompetent on this subject matter (his knowledge is at the level of freshman physics). I have found Micheal C. Price, an editor I otherwise respect, to have crossed the line, repeatedly, in being uncivil, and in repeatedly adding his own original research in attempting to debunk (incorrectly) the Afshar experiment. I'm sorry to say, he should also probably be banned from that article, at least temporarily. Although it is difficult to wade through the arguments, for the most part I think Afshar has acted with nobility, and is not the party at fault here. (Full disclosure: yes, I've got a doctorate in quantum, yes, my initial reaction, like the rest of the world, was to disparage the topic. I've since warmed enough to it to realie that it should not dismissed out-of-hand; the arguments are subtle, and my impression is that the WP nay-sayers don't have the background to appreciate the subtlties.) linas 02:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Lolita, My Love, was selected for DYK!

Updated DYK query On January 27, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lolita, My Love, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.


Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 23:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Loboc Children's Choir

Hi! This is another one from my province in Bohol, Philippines. Please also check and suggest ways for improvement. Best regards. --Ate Pinay (talk•email) 19:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Good call. I was rapidly doing the DYK update, and I had not checked the article history. I have removed it from the Main Page and added replacements. It's annoying when the Next Update editors add mistaken DYKs or add extraneous markings on the page (such as extra quotation marks). Sigh. Nishkid64 19:09, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

But not so good after all. The article is actually eligible according to the current rules, as you might know by now... Camptown 20:14, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually, that's not correct.-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 20:17, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Harvard Glee Club GA feedback

I failed it because of the more sources tag, which you added yourself, other things are GA suggestions. M3tal H3ad 05:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

If possible try have a reference for each paragraph, if you disagree with the person who put the tag ask them what statements need references. But there is still the problem with one sentence paragraphs and references coming after punctuation with no space. M3tal H3ad 05:24, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FAC - Aquinas College, Perth

Thanks for the info and help - its gonna go a long way. When you talk about the geography, what do you mean? are you referring to the location section, the mount henry peninsula or some other section - i presume it is the first two (or one of), and the reason that they are there is that Aquinas owns Mount Henry Peninsula and it is like a conservation area in WA or Perth (something conservation-y).
When you mention the "overuse" of the college logo (correction: it is only used twice - the "3rd" is the logo of old aquinians hockey club) isnt two enough for the text as we need one for the info box and another for the coat of arms - or should the coat of arms pic be ditched?.
For the uniforms - should we just make it a very generalised statement and include things like changes in uniform - when the current uniform was adopted and other such information?
The image gallery should probarbly go - and you are very right there.

Overall, thanks for your help - you have given me some real pointers for improving this article. =) Smbarnzy 11:38, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jack Lange

Articles that are about a non-notable human get db-bio'd. You get do this by adding {{db-bio}} at the top of the page. Kamope · talk · contributions 12:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Concerning Anton Frederik Winter Jakhelln Prytz

Sorry for the slight delay...and indeed you caught me redhanded there...apologies for not leaving a message with the revert, but I was busy getting the C:CSD down.

As to your guess: you're right, this man clearly meets the notability guidelines...if you're not happy with my decision, feel free to start an AfD.

And just out of curiosity: why are you sceptical about users speaking more languages (you will have noticed that there are levels of mastery used in the templates). As I don't know where you live (is Australia a good guess?)and how schooling goes there, let me explain that in Germany if you want to make it to the Abitur, you will have to learn at least 2 languages besides German (I did 4), and if you learned French an Latin, all the other Roman languages are easier to learn and speak. Cheers. Lectonar 15:35, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No harm done

I took Barry Manilow off the GA page because you failed it for GA. Was I wrong? andreasegde 18:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Because I was accused of trying to push my articles up the reviewing ladder. No harm done - I apologised to the editor in question and even tidied up the Manilow page a bit as an act of pennance. :) Ho-hum... andreasegde 11:39, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

I never got around to thanking you for this. But I guess it's better later than never. So: thank you! I felt so disheartened and sadened by ExplorerCDT that I was on the brink of promising myself not to go through WP:FAC again. But, hey, look who has saved the day! :) Renata 23:41, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Skeptical of polyglots?

I noticed that you say you're skeptical of the actual linguistic ability of people with a number of language-related userboxes. May I ask why? -Yupik 21:49, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Eh, a good bet is to go through the; the grand majority of them can't speak Finnish to save their life. :D The only ones I'd give credit to are the ones who have Swedish as their mother tongue as their likely to be children of immigrants. I've run into a few users here who can barely get by in English, even though it's their mother tongue, yet they claim to have linguistic skills in a number of languages. So, same thing. Some of us, though, grew up in highly multilingual environments or moved around enough; for instance, I've studied in universities in 3 countries, in one monolingual program, one bilingual and one trilingual. Not to mention the fact that we spoke a number of languages on a regular basis at home grewing up. Have you, by the way, seen the article on hyperpolyglots? It's rather interesting that besides Hale, all the rest of them were from a period of time when it was almost impossible to ascertain the actual linguistic level of someone claiming to be a hyperpolyglot. One person that I know was a hyperpolyglot was Gerald M. Browne, who was an eminent scholar of Coptic and Old Nubian. One of these days I have to get around to writing a wikiarticle on him instead of just translating the articles into other languages. :D Sorry for the rambling message :) -Yupik 08:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 :D Jag talar inte så bra svenska, men jag kan skriva det. Ja se on "en puhu suomea" ;) Finnish is a fun language; you should learn it! And old Swedish, mmm, still has plural verb forms! It's too bad wikipedia doesn't have an article on linguapervs :) -Yupik 09:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Geoffrey Giuliano

Hello. What has one to do about Geoffrey Giuliano? I dislike to let him have his way, but one has other things to do other than keeping reverting his self-aggrandizing editings. As I wrote about the afd, I'd vote to keep a very lean article. Is there some policy (and, more important, some way to enforce it) to keep him from putting again and again his puffery? All the best, --Goochelaar 22:59, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree with what you and JamesMLane wrote. Let's revert a bit and see. Bye, Goochelaar 09:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Malakas AfD

The best delete rationale I've ever read. By far! Cheers! :-) NikoSilver 00:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Albion and Albanius

Recently you tagged the article Albion and Albanius without leaving a suggestion on its talkpage suggesting how the article might be remade to satisfy you. Perhaps the tag was an error. Would you give editors a few words of guidance when your schedule permits?--Wetman 05:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Agnes Newton Keith

Thanks for your kind words. And yes, citations - oops. Plain forgot (got carried away). I shall add them next week when I am reunited with my books - most of the citations will be her books, anyway, as she was a mainly autobiographical author. Jasper33 17:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Reported

As suggested by Wiki guidelines, you are being notified that you have been reported to WP:ANI for violations of Wiki policy.
Ballog 18:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)Ballog

Sigh.-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 20:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Playing spades again? Call it where you see it, you'll be fine. V-Man737 22:18, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EVAN SACKETT (AGAIN!!!)

You helped out with the original Evan Sackett article, as with the recreated C. Evan Sackett article. Evan Sackett was deleted twice, and C. Evan Sackett was deleted once, but now it's back. Can you help with its speedy deletion? Thanks. Rockstar915 22:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Never mind, it was speedily deleted. Thanks anyway! Rockstar915 01:26, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Thanks for your support in my recent RfA which passed unanimously - thus proving that you can indeed fool some of the people some of the time. I'm still coming to terms with the new functionality I have, but so far nothing bad has happened. As always, if there's anything you need to let me know, just drop me a line on my Talk page. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 10:33, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnic-group lists deletion discussions

Hi, I noticed you participated in the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of African Americans (3rd nomination) deletion discussion. If you haven't participated in the very similar Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Chinese Americans discussion, which involves essentially the same issues, please do. There's also the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Caucasian Americans (second nomination). I'll asking everyone who participated in one to participate in the other. I apologize for bothering you if you already have participated in both. Best wishes, Noroton 03:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Michigan Glee Club

Hey! Thanks for your interest in improving the references of these articles. Currently, most of the information in taken straight from the [ummgc.org official website]. Originally, much of it was copied exactly (with permission), but I had to rewrite most of it to get rid of POV's and non-encyclopedic tone. May still be some problems with that. The information on the website is derived from a number of documents in the archives of the Glee Club and in the libraries at the University of Michigan. I don't have access to any of those materials, but if you're interested, I might be able to get in contact with the current Club Historian, who hopefully would be able to cite everything better. That's the best I have! Hope it helps. Best wishes, MarkBuckles (talk) 00:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

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