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[edit] removed manufacturers and disc golf clubs, courses and disc golfers
I've removed the sections for disc golf manufacturers and disc golf clubs. These two sections contributed very little to the article and were turning into link respositories (which wikipedia is not). The other wikipedia articles on sports don't seem to have this kind of thing (the article on regular golf has no listing of golf club makers or country clubs). This is not the kind of information people would be interested in when they look up disc golf.--Daveswagon 18:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
- I've now removed the courses and disc golfers sections as well. Both of these sections contributed little or nothing towards explaining what disc golf itself is and they have the potential to become huge lists (since there are hundreds of courses and players). I think one link to a directory of courses (if such a site exists) and a similar one for notable disc golfers would be much better.--Daveswagon 21:29, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree. A ball golf article would be lacking not to mention Arnold Palmer and Tiger Woods; so should a disc golf article mention the most famed players such as Ken Climo and Barry Schultz. This article is currently lacking for mention of Barry. I beleive Course guides are equally worthwhile to include, and I attribute ball golf's lack of such to a situation of private selling of that information over a public repository. Including only the PDGA's course guide is unneccessarily restrictive. Though they are definetly the authorative site, there are sections it is lacking which other sites fill, both in information and user-interface. Though I agree, individual course links would be excessive, linking the equivalents to ball golf's Pebble Beach or Augusta would seem reasonable. Certainly more useable and appropriate to any reader than the pop-culture references section. evilmousse 9/26/6
--The PDGA course directory can be found at: <http://www.pdga.com/course/index.php> It contains a listing of all worldwide courses known to the PDGA, searchable by zip code, city/state, or even a Google Maps option. It is the most complete available resource for disc golf courses (but it's not perfect!) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.8.179.31 (talk • contribs).
-Removed more club links from the external links, perhaps someone could start a wiki for club links only? 65.7.226.217 18:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] number of holes
I've read both 18 and 19 holes as standard for a disc golf course; my understanding is that 19 is more common.User:justfred
Justfred, in fact (at least in the USA) 18 hole courses are overwhelmingly the most common, with 9 hole courses following. Furthermore, more and more 27 hole courses are popping up. The conventions pertaining to course layout and number of holes is typically much looser than in conventional ball golf.
Oak Grove in Pasadena, CA, the first course and the one I visit the most, has 19 holes. http://www.ogdgc.org/map.htm Morley Field in San Diego is 19 holes. http://www.morleyfield.com/course/art007.gif - User:justfred
The truth is that there is no "standard" number of holes for disc golf. THe PDGA (who is the governing body for disc golf and writes all of the rules) lists no standard or required number of holes, as far as I'm aware. In tournament play, 18 holes per round is the most common (and is the number used at Winthrop, where the USDGC is held every year), and the most I have played in a tournament round is 24. I have question to the PDGA rules committee about any set range of acceptable number of holes for sanctioned tournament play.
18 holes is by far the most common, at least in the States. Some courses have alternate pin or tee placements. This can give the appearance of more than 18 holes. Disc golf historically has mirrored the Professional Golf Association as much as possible.
[edit] throwing
Is the disc thrown with the hand, or by using some sort of club as in standard golf? Jorge Stolfi 08:22, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Jorge, the disc is thrown with the hand. Unlike ball golfers, where the club is generally gripped one way per golfer (with some occassionally having an alternate grip for putting), disc golfers employ a *wide* variety of grips and throwing styles for different shots and situations. Describing and illustrating these myriad styles could be a whole contribution unto themselves. Backhand (what is viewed as "traditional"), forehand, tomahawk, rollers (yes, players roll them on edge purposefully vast distances in the right conditions) and more.
[edit] picture
I added a picture of a freind of mine, but it kind of...sucks. A better one would be ideal--Crucible Guardian 8 July 2005 02:35 (UTC)
I added a somewhat better picture of a friend of mine.--Daveswagon 09:59, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Much thanks --Crucible Guardian 18:27, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
The picture should probably be changed to one of Barry or Kenny or some other well-known top disc golfer. The current one doesn't do much justice for our sport!
[edit] Disc list
If you really think the list of discs needs to be included (I don't), I think it MUST have the disc manufacturer (Innova, Discraft, etc.) listed next to each disc. 69.254.196.144 02:22, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Beginner Disc Selection
I removed the "Beginner Disc Selection" part of the article as it seems to go beyond the scope of what an encyclopedic article is (and it's written in first person). Below is text I removed. If anyone wants to revise it to be more relevant and reinsert it--be my guest. --Daveswagon 21:01, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
As mentioned above there are several different manufacturers of disc golf discs. If you are new to the sport, then you probably need some advice on what discs to start out with. One of the biggest mistakes I see out on the course is beginners are throwing discs that are too overstable for them.
Here is a good list of discs you can pick up that won't be too overstable for a beginner's arm.
the leoperd, roadrunner, mids,roc breez,stingray.
Putter -Anything that feels comfortable to you. Different putters do different things. Try to find someone playing on the closest course near you and see if he/she will let you check out their putters before you go out and buy one. The best players usually buy several of the same putter in the same weight.
[edit] Disc golf clubs
I was looking in Category:Frisbee and was very confused when I saw the title of disc golf clubs, thinking it a little oxymoronic. All the same, it's just a page of external links. Wikipedia is not a link farm, and that page is pretty much just a lot of links without wiki articles. This is not to say that these numerous disc golf clubs are deserving or not deserving of articles on their own. Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:External links outline the policies and guidelines about this.heres the That being said, what is probably better is a single link to a web directory (DMOZ seems to be the preferred one) category of disc golf clubs. --Christopherlin 04:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I was the one who moved it to its own page. I apologize if this went against Wikipedia rules, but I wanted to get the list out of the main article as it was causing what I perceived to be ridiculous bloat. And yes, I did note the subtle irony of the title.--Daveswagon 05:51, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I would agree that there are way way too many external links on this page. Also, I think the second half of the History section reads like a sales pitch, hardly NPOV. I would suggest somebody with information about the subject clean this page up a bit. Guardian 00:38, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Read if you have heard of Suzy Sticks or Durango Boot
Someone recently created an article on Suzy Sticks, one of those weird games that disc sport people play. It was recently deleted out of process, which is why it is at deletion review. Currently it redirects to Disc golf. I think that we should have an article for spin-off games associated with Ultimate and other disc sports. Obviously Goaltimate, Disc golf and Ultimate should have separate articles, but there should be a Disc games article for well known games as there is for Scrabble variants. There are many others out there like Hot Box, which probably aren't deserving of their own article, but should be included. This has been cross-posted at Talk:Ultimate (sport), Talk:Disc golf, and Talk:Goaltimate. I would like to know if others tink that there should be a combined article. Please leave comments at User talk:WAvegetarian/Disc games. —WAvegetarian•CONTRIBUTIONSTALK• EMAIL• 16:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Kill SPAM
Folks, if you're one of the people who has been adding link spam to external links section, please stop. If you're not one of these people, please help keep this section spam-free. It makes this page and this sport look like a joke when there's a massive list of external links. The article for regular golf, despite its "popularity", has only five external links.
Hopefully you can all agree that the external links section should not contain:
- Community sites for specific regions - we cannot put a link for every state/city/county's disc golf club, so we won't post any such sites
- Blogs - Unless a blog is exceptionally informative, notable, or popular, it should not be linked here. Disc Golf Review has an Alexa page rank of about 300,000 and DiscGolf.com has one of 500,000. There were a few sites that were posted that were in the 5,000,000 range. This is much too obscure.
- Sites that sell discs or disc golf products - Wikipedia is not for advertising, unless the site contributes significantly to explaining what disc golf is in a way this article cannot, the site should not be listed.
In light of the above comments, it seems the following should be removed: -WV (regional website) -SNDG (again, regional website) -PDGA sanctioned tournaments (can be accessed from the main PDGA link) -World Disc Games (is not specifically about disc golf) -Mini Disc Golf Fed (is a form of disc golf) -Women's Disc Golf Association (promotes the sport, isn't very informative) FisherME 18:24, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Add FrolfCaddy?
FrolfCaddy - I found this resource a few months back. It is a very neat disc golf site. Not only does it provide a course listing but also allows players to enter their scores. From these scores, players are awarded trophy discs and can view stats - both overall and per course. Overall stats include shot percentages and other interesting (but perhaps useless) stats like total number of games played, total shots thrown. Course stats look like http://www.frolfcaddy.com/users/vandergus/scorebook/Old_Farm_Park/46 Players are also able to create friends lists. When you enter a game, if a friend has a game at the same course around the same time, you can link the two games. This allows you to compare your shots and stats with your friends. The site also keeps track of weather information for each game. This works even if you don't enter the game right when you play it as long as you select the correct time when adding the game.
The best part about this site is that it is user driven. Users add the courses, course schemes and par schemes. Other users can modify them leaving versions similar to a wiki. I'm sure I forgot about some features. Can always keep an eye on the community with http://www.frolfcaddy.com/stats Personally I find this site more useful than several of the sites currently listed for External Links. However, I've added it a couple of times and it keeps getting removed. Today I received a message to add this to the discussion page. I will not add this site again, but let the wiki community decide.
Oh yeah, and it doesn't violate any of the rules above - region specific, not a blog, and it doesn't sell any products - free registration—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.143.121.153 (talk • contribs) .
- Thanks for discussing this here first. To clarify, what I wrote about SPAM links are not "rules"; they're general suggestions I made for this page. Sorry if it came off in that way. The complete guidelines for external links can be found here. FrolfCaddy seems like a good site, but it's very non-notable at the moment. Alexa gives it a ranking of 5,536,673. As I said above, this is far, far behind sites like Disc Golf Review and DiscGolf.com. Furthermore, it doesn't really add anything more to the explanation of what disc golf is, which is the purpose of this article and its links.--Daveswagon 00:06, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
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- It appears that Alexa has finally updated their rankings. FrolfCaddy is now ranked significantly better than most of the other external links at 560,355. As I find this resource more helpful than the others, I am going to add it back on the external links page. If you feel it should be removed, please discuss it here and let the group decide.
[edit] Chicken Wing
I think the rumor that the Chicken Wing has been thrown over 800 feet is totally bogus. I've never heard anyone claiming to be able to throw this shot more than 150 feet, and it seems like it is very unlikely to go any farther. I think this shot should be removed, as it is not common at all, and the 800 feet is totally unverified. Fmalcangi 01:44, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Current WFDF distance records (http://www.wfdf.org/index.php?page=records/index.htm) indicate the longest open air throw is 250m (just over 800ft). Competitors throwing distance at USDGC and Worlds that I've watched all throw backhand shots. You really just can't generate as much power with a chicken wing. FisherME 17:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I have read much discussion with knowledgable disc golfers, and I believe that the Chicken Wing distance theory is a myth. I am going to clean up that part of this article. Fmalcangi 06:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I have heard of players able to throw a Chicken Wing 300 feet, but not farther than that.
[edit] discgolftv.com
I removed the link to discgolftv.com, even though I believe it explains the sport in a way that this Wiki cannot. The site contains many videos of disc golfers and related videos. Although I originally included the site in the Wiki, I have taken it down to aviod breaking any rules.
-000 Jeez I really miss the kill spam notice on the top of the disc golf page.
[edit] Userbox
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- cool, but no one I know uses the term frolfer (disc golf is the preffered term because "frisbee" is trademarked by the wham-o toy company) , also that looks like an ultimate disc and not a golf disc. A more appropiate picture might be a bag full of discs Diletante 18:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Tournament Section
There needs to be a section on tournaments which explains the various tiers, divisions, PDGA rankings and all that stuff. My knowlege of that topic is a few years out of date. Diletante 02:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] registered trademark
Do we have to write "Frisbee®" all the time? Is Frisbee not good enough? --Aleph-4 17:44, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Drug Use
Drug use (marijuana) by disc golf players is so prevailing - I don't know of any other sport where it is so prevalent - I think it merits a mention in the article. 134.134.136.5 22:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Can you point to a reputable, published article that mentions this? That would be a good start. --W.marsh 22:23, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
