Talk:Dino Dini

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[edit] Controversies

Personally i think a paragraph concerning controversies should be added, (v. sensible soccer, v. s.campbell ) etc what do you think? Romanista 12:46, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

No, I don't think so....Dndn1011 16:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dino, don't edit

Dndn1011, since you are Dino Dini, you really shouldn't edit this article. I removed the sections on your early life, etc., since they don't really add much to the topic of you being a game developer/designer. It's also completely unsourced. I know that you don't really need a source, since you lived it, but that kind of OR isn't permitted on Wikipedia. But moreoever, Wikipedia policy stricly prohibits anyone who has an article from editing that article, apart from blatant corrections ("Hey, I wasn't born in 1932!") and reverting vandalism. Therefore, I removed most of those sections you added.

I also removed the self-aggrandizing language and tried to make it more NPOV. I also did some other cleanup (game titles are italicized, not bolded).

So, please, limit your contributions to Wikipedia to anything but this article. Answering questions directed at you on the talk page is fine, but comments on the direction of the article should be left to other editors.

Thanks for your contributions to the 'pedia, and I hope you'll continue to contribute to other articles. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I read the policy and it did not seem to prohibit it in the manner you describe. It was a recommenedation only. Also the background information is relevant as it is all about early video games that I designed and developed. The current article itself it pretty poor and most of it was taken from my old website. You have also removed text that existed prior to my attempt to clean up and fill it out. The article as it stands mentions virtually nothing at all about the years I am most noted for then quotes almost verbatim what was effectively my resmue from 1996. Since I am not happy with this I have edited the article further removing most of the resume stuff. You are being heavy handed I believe and I am not happy about it.Dndn1011 17:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

However if your contribs were biased and unverifiable/original research... 74.38.35.171 04:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

.... then someone challanges the statements and they are modified or references are provided or those particular statements that are unnaceptable are removed. This is usually decided by debate on the acual text itself. In this case no such debate occured. Instead all text was removed on the basis of the identity of the author. I hope that clarifies things for you. Dndn1011 16:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

However since it is an autobiography, it is treated in a more heavy-handed way. I think the only way to give it even a bit chance would be to find citations yourself and put those in. Then see what happens. And he did say that you may have been self-promoting yourself with the content. You might want to try going through it and reading it as though you were someone else to see how it sounds. It's hard, but you should give a real good try. You might very well notice something. Make an honest effort to be neutral. It is difficult indeed, but not totally impossible. You really have to try hard in this case. 74.38.35.171 00:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Once Frecklefoot did what he did, I had to seek out an understanding of actual wiki policy, and Frecklefoot is wrong in his interpretation because he is treating guidelines as policy. As for the content of the article, I was doing nothing but filling in information about what I did and how I developed my career in video games. There was nothing "self-promoting" in this. I was just adding information. The heavy handedness came from prejuice nothing more. Dndn1011 03:09, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Um, the policy I was referring to is WP:AUTO and it states in bold up at the top "This page is considered a guideline on Wikipedia. It is generally accepted among editors and is considered a standard that all users should follow." That doesn't sound like just a "recommendation" to me.

However, I was wrong on one point. It states that you may make comments and observations on the Talk page (what I stated is different), so I admit that mistake. So, say as much as you like on this talk page including (bonus!) insulting me.

Apart from that, I think it's pretty clear that you're not supposed to make large changes to the article yourself. If I accidentally stripped content that you didn't add, I apologize. But from what I could tell, you added two big sections, and I removed those (though I worked some information from them into the rest of the article). If some of this information comes from your webiste, great. But it should be cited, so it is obvious it is not OR (like this <ref>[http://www.mycoolwebsite.com/how_i_came_to_be.html "How I Came To Be"] from Fred Sed's [[MyCoolWebsite]]</ref>). Of course, other works, such as interviews, articles, and books are preferred, but for subjects such as this, information like that is scant.

Go ahead and restore the information I removed that you did not originally add. My intent was not to be a Wiki-Nazi, but just to enforce Wikipedia policy. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 20:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Did you even check his contribs for neutrality?! Were they too biased? This is one of my peeves about the WP:AUTO guideline. If his contribs were neutral enough, what harm do they cause? ADDENDUM: Just noticed the WP:NOR/WP:V violation, and I agree that is an acceptable reason for removing them. WP:AUTO, alone, however, should not be sufficient reason (for one it does NOT "strictly forbid", it simply "strongly discourages".). It is also not an official policy, it is a guideline, BTW. 74.38.35.171 04:47, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

It is not acceptable to simply make statements of a general kind without actually stating the specific violations. All violations are matters of opinion and should be given a chance to be resolved one way or the other. I have yet to receive any such feedback that would be useful to the task of presenting the information properly. Instead all of my additions were simply reverted without discussion, something which Frecklefoot seems prone to do, thus scaring away newcomers. He did this to me on the Game Design article, but in that case I did manage to get some proper feedback and then revised the article in a manner that has remained stable for some time. Please remember that at the time when I made additions to my own article, I was fairly new to wikipedia. Dndn1011 03:06, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

No I have simply removed the content copied from my old webs site on the basis of copyright.Dndn1011 21:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)