Talk:Dingle

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was suggested that this article should be renamed Dingle. The vote is shown below: I request this move because the English "Dingle" is preferable to the Irish "An Daingean" - the English term is more common in everyday speech in Ireland, Dingle and elsewhere and it is the general policy of wikipedia to use common terms throughout with few exceptions. Additionally whilst the term "An Daingean" is the official term it may easily be mistaken for the unrelated "Daingean". Djegan 12:53, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Strongly support, this is not the Irish Language Wikipedia. --Kiand 13:43, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Support, Dingle remains the English name. Palmiro 22:26, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Support, We don't want Wikipedia to become as difficult to navigate as the Kerry roads! RMoloney 12:03, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Support --Pold 23:21, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Oppose --Fabhcún 19:05, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Vote done by User:83.70.69.69 and not the purported signatory, who may have just not been signed in, or not... --Kiand 19:27, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

I strongly oppose this for all the obvious moral, intellectual, cultural and pluralist reasons. Would those who support it insist the English version of Wikipedia have the entries for Madrid, Oslo, Stockholm etc etc under an anglicised form? Of course not. The days of pushing around Irish speakers are no more. We are no longer dispossessed peasants attending hedge schools. The fanaticism of certain monoglot English speakers never fails to astound. They just cannot abide difference, and with the frenzy of the abjectly insecure demand conformity to their narrow, myopic worldview. Everything must be anglicised, simplified, for them. They cannot see beauty in difference or wonder about etymologies of those different names or even appreciate that there is meaning in non-anglicised forms. They see threat, where more evolved humans can see richness, fascination and feel appreciation. Their demands are utterly irrational and would never triumph in a society based upon reason, mutual respect and acceptance of diversity. Make no mistake about this debate: it is about opposing the linguistic fascism of a tiny minority of English speakers in Ireland. To a majority of people in the Corca Dhuibhne (Dingle Peninsula) the name of the town is An Daingean or An Daingean Uí Chúis. As such it doesn't matter in the slightest if "the English term is more common in everyday speech in Ireland". You might as well tell the residents of Roma that because more people on earth know it as Rome they have not got the right to call it Roma.

"Would those who support it insist the English version of Wikipedia have the entries for Madrid, Oslo, Stockholm etc etc under an anglicised form?" - eh, yes. We would. And we do. Madrid. Oslo. Stockholm. All city or town pages go to whatever their accepted English-language name is. --Kiand 19:24, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

By opposing this proposal you are standing by Irish speakers in an Irish speaking area against the supreme arrogance of certain monoglot anglophones, and the undereducated, morally ambivalent rabble who follow such trends out of an instinctive fear of difference. More pertinently for Wikipedia, leaving aside what sort of Ireland you want, what sort of Ireland do you want represented to the world? And why do you fear representing an Irish place in an Irish speaking region with its Irish name when the vast majority of towns on planet earth have no hang-ups about representing their place on Wikipedia without anglicisation? The answers to those questions will confirm that the problem here is not an Irish name on an Irish town but rather an intolerance far more pernicious and noisome to democracy and diversity in Ireland, not to mention an inconsistency in Wikipedia's attitude to other non-English language town and city names.

Rome is actually called Rome here. And it's not going against anybody. --Pold 19:30, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Whatever about the points raised by the anonymous users they certainly do not have any problem expressing themselves in English anyway - perhaps with some paranoia. Notwithstanding, what is at question here is not the legal or jingoistic name of the few - the question here is the name most common and appropriate in English. Their is a version of wikipedia at ga.wikipedia.org, that is the place for the most common name in Irish – have fun. As for your views any online blog should suffice. Djegan 21:43, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 10:57, 18 August 2005 (UTC)