Talk:Diggers (True Levellers)
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- see Talk:Diggers (True Levellers)/Archive 1#True Levellers for the previous discussion on this.
Apart from the title of the pamphlet The True Levellers Standard A D V A N C E D Where else does Winstanley use the term "True Levellers"? He does not use the phrase anywhere else in the article. Another way or reading this is that the title (which is re-inforced by the fonts used in the printing) says "The true standard advanced by the Levellers" in which case he was not calling the Diggers "True Levellers" but is advancing ideas in this pamphlet which (all) Levellers could use to obtain their on objectives of a more egalitarian society. Philip Baird Shearer 18:43, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Can anyone name another pamphlet, or any other source anywhere else, where Winstanley used the phrase "True Levellers" apart from in the title of the pamphlet "The True Levellers Standard A D V A N C E D"? In that pamphlet the phrase only appears in the title, so were else did Winstanley use the phrase? In Archive 1 it was agreed that he and other Diggers, used term "Diggers" (See "Letter Taken at Wellingborough" -1650). I would like to source Wistanley's use of the term "True Levellers" somewhere else than in one ambigious title if we are going to use in Wikipedia articles. Philip Baird Shearer 21:44, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
There is no way The True Levellers Standard advanced can be read in the way suggested above - and no scholar has done so except the writer above. The title on the original (British Library Thomason Tract E552:5) reads as the footnoted link as The True Levellers Standard ADVANCED:OR, The State of Community opened and presented to the Sons of Men. There is no ambiguity from the use of fonts. To make this read 'The true standard advanced by the Levellers' is to commit substantial violence to the text and is just simply untenable on a cursory reading of the tract.
I think it is correct that Winstanley never uses the phrase True Levellers again. Indeed the title page to the TLSA seems to be a last minute decision tacked onto the tract which is called 'A declaration to the powers of England...'
Dr V 21:43, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 1650
What happened after 1650? The article leaves me hanging. Sam Spade 22:04, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Captain William Thompson
I am unsure what the relevance of William Thompson is to the Wellingborough Diggers. As I have filled in verifiable details of this colonies' history I think the reference to William Thompson should be deleted. Dr V 17:49, 28 March 2006 (UCT)
- Now that you have done the stirling work you have on this section, I think mention of Thompson should be moved near to the bottom of the section and not given the prominence it previously was. That he was killed near the Diggers encampment might be a coincidence, but presumably he was fleeing to somewhere after his failed Leveller mutiny. --Philip Baird Shearer 18:39, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Frances Drake
Is it appropriate to include who someone isn't in wikipedia? It doesn't seem quite right, but I felt that it was less confusing to specify. — vijay (Talk) 18:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
