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[edit] Removed cat

I remove Dieudonné from the Antisemitic people category. Unless a redifinition of this category, this article can't stay in this category, Dieudonné doesn't fit in this definition: "hostility toward or prejudice against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group, which can range from individual hatred to institutionalized, violent persecution.". There is great dicussion about it in the french wikipedia. --Ajor 09:39, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but the pattern of attributing all evil in the world to nebulous Jewish conspiracies, and denigrating Jewish history, is classic Antisemitism. AnonMoos 13:34, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes I know, but Dieudonné doesn't attribute all evil in the world to nebulous Jewish conspiracies, neither denigrates Jewish history. He said some things that created debates but he's not racist, he explained later what he meant and it's clear that he's not racist against jewish people. If you like, you can put Dieudonné in Antisemism but you change the definition of the category. You notice the reader at the begining saying that "In this category fit articles that talk about antisemitism" or something like that but not "hostility toward or prejudice against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group, which can range from individual hatred to institutionalized, violent persecution.". That is not correct. Don't you think so? --Ajor 21:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

He can "explain" all he wants, but he perpetually undercuts his "explanations" by continually uttering forth new remarks which are just as outrageous and bigoted as his past remarks. Furthermore, if calling Auschwitz "memorial pornography" isn't denigrating Jewish history, then I don't know what is. AnonMoos 03:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Because he never says That (Read Nation and Death by Idith Zerthal) -- 19:50, 16 October 2006 86.206.173.94

I agree with Ajor, Dieudonné should not be on the same list as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. may be there should be another category for people alleged of beeing anti-semetic. For instance we can put him in anti-zionist people Moroccansky

[edit] neutralisation

• I removed the cat "antisemitic", most people seems to agree with it (see above).
• I removed "isra-heil", which is controversed and replaced it by "israel". "isra-heil" is one interpretation but it is not true: if you had heard the sketch, you should know that. English or american people may have heard "isra-hail", which sounds exactly like "israel" (as pronounced in french: "i-sra-el", not "isr-ael" like in english), but in french, "heil" is pronounced like in german and doesn't sound like "hail", but more like "hyle". If you want , you can add something like "some people heard "isra-heil": I could have done it, but I have no sources about it so that it would be evasive to just write "some people". If you have sources, you're welcome.
• I removed "often" accused, because the accusation comes from few people, always the same. If ten people continously accuse someone, it is not enough to write "often".
• I add the fact that dieudonné has been ruled non guilty in some cases by the court. It is a fact, it is not "whitewashing" as you pretend. -- 10:45, 11 October 2006 217.233.255.235

Israël in French does not have an phonetic [i] vowel after its first syllable which could cause reasonable confusion with a German [aj] diphthong, and "Isra-Heil" has been widely reported (whether you think it's valid or not). And it's said elsewhere in the article that he has had no final criminal convictions. AnonMoos 3:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

"Israheil" has been widely reported, so has been "israel". -- 10:55, 28 November 2006 217.233.237.67

[edit] Some people are just too stupid

FRANCE Is finished

France is finished, They welcomed hitler to Paris and now their children defend this trash. Some people think this Editor should resign. But it's always the same people - Non-Jew haters !

Who is this "Editor"? He must be the President of the M'bala M"bala fan club. Whats his name? He writes in broken English. Let's send him to a writing course in a nearby High School. -- IP 02:12, 19 November 2006 207.237.2.110

dear 207.237.2.110, u're not even a registered member and you insult wikipedia users. Yeah maybe the guy doesn't have a perfect english but you seem to just not know how we write a title in wikipedia so you should think about taking some programation courses too. and by the way do you even speak french? If you don't you are clearly not in the position of saying if Dieudonné is racist or not. let just stop being an ass for a joke we are far away from hitler and there's enough racism stuff to be concerned with. So yes most people seem too agree that dieudonné is not anti-semitic and i'm removing him from this cat. Plus the article is quite not neutral since it doesn't talk about the violent retaliation of some jews

Moroccan sky 22:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Between IP 207.237.2.110 with his irrelevant anti-French tirade and IP 217.233.255.235/217.233.237.67 with his bowdlerizing whitewashing of M'bala M'bala's hate, I really don't see too much difference. Meanwhile, M'bala M'bala has now of course gotten all chummy and friendly with LePen [1] -- reminding me of 1985, when Farrakhan was fraternizing with his fellow-racist Tom Metzger.[2] ... AnonMoos 08:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)