Talk:Devil in Christianity
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See Talk:Satan for what this page is about. This page is under construction. I'm currently importing material from Devil, Satan, and other pages to create a basic Devil in Christianity page. I know that this page is currently redundant, but I don't want to delete material from other pages until this one is ready to be linked to. Jonathan Tweet 18:34, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm ready to call this page done. It's not perfect, but it does centralize the material better than it had been centralized. Currently, links to Devil in Christianity go to Satan. I'll change them so that they go here. Jonathan Tweet 16:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Neutrality
I would say that with the reference to Satan founding Islam gone the article is neutral POV again, so I removed the Neutrality check that I put up earlier since I can't really see any other issues where it leans toward any one POV. (Clarktracy 18:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC))
[edit] Satanism
Removed reference to "satanism" because this article is about the Devil in Christianity, not the Devil in general. Jonathan Tweet 01:49, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] post-medieval
"It should be noted, however, that much of this history is not biblical; instead, it is a post-medieval reading of the scriptures influenced by medieval and pre-medieval popular mythology." I understand the idea here, but it's tacked onto the end of the paragraph and should be worked in organically. Jonathan Tweet 03:11, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Gnostics
I summarized this comment: "(Christians argue that this contention is disproved in the Bible text as it explains that God's perfect world [1] was corrupted and made imperfect by Adam and Eve's original sin; see Gen 3; Rom 5:12; Rom 8:22-23)." None of the verses quoted state that the Fall caused the world's imperfections, so they really don't belong here. Jonathan Tweet 02:08, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] john 10:10
the reference to verse ten of chapter ten in John is taken out of context. the author of this article uses it to support the idea that jesus is refering to satan as a thief. if one reads the previous verses it becomes evident that jesus says that all who came before him are theives and robbers (in that they enter the figurive flock by hopping a fence). he continues saying that thieves only come to steal and slaughter, but he comes so that people may have life and live it more abundantly.
the context in which the article's author uses the verse makes it as though it is a direct reference to satan and what jesus says of his dealings. it is not and should be removed or rewritten.
- Got it. Jonathan Tweet 04:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] New Testament
This material is well-meant but not supported in the NT per se. Needs to be shifted to a different section if it's worth keeping at all. "Satan himself or one of his allegiant demons offers a thought to the mind of a person (Luke 4:1-13). The thought is contrary to what God has deemed right and true. Thus, the person is urged to disobey and violate the commands of God. Temptation in itself is not sin. Yielding to temptation and acting on the thought, violating any command or statue of God, is sin." Jonathan Tweet 04:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC) ..
[edit] Characteristics of the Devil
This section lays a claim, although qualified by "some Christian scholars", that is blatantly anti-Islam, that the entire Islamic faith was founded by the devil pretending to be Gabriel. To keep a neutral viewpoint we need to approach this section in such a way as to not give Christianity more validity than other faiths. This is why I posted the dispute on the neutrality of the article. (74.195.181.181 03:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC))
- Agreed. I've just reviewed the article for the first time in a while, and it seems to have slipped toward Christian POV. This reference to Islam being inspired by Satan is an example. Jonathan Tweet 14:11, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the following paragraph:
Some Christian scholars believe that this is how Islam started. According to Islam, Muhammad went into a cave, and the angel Gabriel gave him a new revelation. Many scholars believe that Satan or another demon gave him the revelation, pretending to be Gabriel. This follows the prophecy of 1st Timothy 4:1
because there is no citation and expresses an anti-Islamic sentiment that cannot be validated from a neutral POV. (Clarktracy 18:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC))
[edit] Concrete Proof the devil exists?
himself as an angel of light and convinces people to follow him in that way
There may be now proof that the 'original sin' did indeed happen and that its consequences are with us.
According to biblical sayings, 'the light'...normally refers to 'truth'...but how can truth lie ?
Well in the book "The Jesus Christ Code' you may find a solution that someone else may find acceptable, and it fits into the 'original sin' story...
--Caesar J. B. Squitti : Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti 02:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Part of the Light = Half-truth = Devil
--Caesar J. B. Squitti : Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti 20:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
