Talk:Dessie O'Hare

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[edit] Improvements

Well I've managed to fix what was a WP:BLP disaster. Further improvements I suggest are:

  • More about his activities pre-1987
  • More about his fight for freedom, including the various temporary releases. I think there's more than enough to warrant a section just for that
  • More about his reputation, including his admission of being involved in a large number of murders
  • More about the December 2006 murders and events leading up to it, I've found some reliable source material
  • More about his less controversial activities since his release - Brothers of Charity, working with the handicapped, trip to Lourdes etc
  • Some sections will be useful, can't really do that until I've added his early activities though. I'm thinking something along the lines of Background, Paramilitary Activity, Kidnapping (definitely enough for its own section), Fight for Freedom, Release.

Any suggestions/help will be welcome naturally. One Night In Hackney303 06:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for referencing this. I started the article and can't believe I forgot to reference it. Must check the others I started. Stu ’Bout ye! 09:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Not sure about a heading of 'Fight for Freedom' what will it contain?Weggie 13:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually I wasn't happy with that heading at the time I typed it, Prison would probably be better. However the section would mostly deal with his fight for freedom - judicial review, "my war is over" statement, transfer to Castlerea, brief temporary releases etc etc. One Night In Hackney303 18:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Joining INLA

Anyone have a source for roughly when (and why) he left the IRA and joined the INLA? Thanks. One Night In Hackney303 23:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Never mind. States he was expelled by the IRA in the late 1970s. One Night In Hackney303 23:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Revisions

I've added to lead section, which should be a precis of the main article. I've taken out most of the headings, which interrupt the flow of the text. Last paragraph - I think this can be improved with more info from his spokesperson about his activities, and also Ahern's comments. Also needs a proper ref. Congratulations on very impressive-looking referencing throughout. Tyrenius 00:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I was planning to sort out the lead once I'd finished everything else, and I'm still got more to add including the 2006 and Ahern comments. One Night In Hackney303 00:42, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Injuring

In my opinion the use of injuring in the lead doesn't go far enough, mutilating would be better in my opinion. It's a strong term but appropriate in my opinion, and it's also a sourced term. Any objections? One Night In Hackney303 02:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed - did you find the article by a former colleague who described some of the murders? Some of the most extreme stuff I've read even by the standard of the troubles Weggie 09:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm happy enough with VK's addition of "severely", mutilating makes it sound a bit too much like a tabloid possibly. Don't think I've seen the article, got a link please? One Night In Hackney303 18:58, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I've just put in the lead about cutting off two fingers. I think anything abstract leaves too much to the imagination, and makes it sound even worse than it already is. Tyrenius 02:05, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Fine by me, I re-wrote it slightly though. One Night In Hackney303 02:43, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Refs

Please note the full citation details must appear first in the article, and then any other use with the short version must appear later. Short versions in the article before the full version will not work. I also suggest when naming refs to give a name that is easy to remember from the source referred to, e.g. the name for ref 1 could be "who". I'm actually not aware of any guidelines on naming, but if there are, please point me there. Tyrenius 02:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

They worked fine before, although I was planning to do that soon just not while parts were still being moved around and added. One Night In Hackney303 02:43, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Just FYI I was referring to this edit where the short form appeared before the full cite (I reversed them), but maybe you were aware of that. Tyrenius 03:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I know they worked fine for me, perhaps it's a browser thing? One Night In Hackney303 03:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV tag

I have removed this, as there is no explanation on this page as to why it's been added. It needs to be explained here so it can be discussed if necessary. Tyrenius 02:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possible additions

I'm thinking about the Tony McKloskey story from this article, and possibly the SPG incident from 1978 from Bandit Country, for the benefit of Tyrenius who probably hasn't got a copy there's information about it here. Any opinions? One Night In Hackney303 06:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Assuming refs are sound, it seems an important part of someone's life to be nearly blown up (by the police). Tyrenius 03:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I've added that to the article, I'll have a stab at McKloskey later when I'm feeling more creative. One Night In Hackney303 04:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
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