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[edit] Image Tagging Image:HermesPan.jpg

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Thanks for uploading Image:HermesPan.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

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I have updated the copyright information as requested. Dermot 14:17, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Royal Wedding quote

Do you happen to have a date for the Ava letter regarding the vacuum commercial? I think it's OK as is to say it was printed in Time and Variety, but given the nature of the letter, someone might snip it as being not sourced enough (I've seen that happen in other articles). A date might also be helpful for researchers since digital manipulation is controversial; also I do recall hearing that Astaire's estate did approve the ad, though it's possible they didn't realize what was planned (that said, Royal Wedding is public domain so they may have had no say at all). Also, was it only in 1997 that the ad was made? I thought it was earlier than that, like 1990-1992. Time flies. Cheers. 23skidoo 15:17, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

You make a good point and I've added a citation for the source for this entry. The commercial first aired during the 1997 Suberbowl. Although Royal Wedding (like Second Chorus) as an entire film is public domain, Astaire's estate has sole rights over the use of any film clips which feature him, for more on this see Fred Astaire's solo and partnered dances or Billman's book. Dermot 12:45, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Good work with the citation. I remember seeing the ad myself and being none too pleased. There was also a cola ad (or some similar product) using footage of Bogart and Monroe that was kinda tacky. A few months back I heard something about Lauren Bacall going ballistic because of a European ad for, I believe, cigarettes that featured Bogart who died of lung cancer... 23skidoo 14:25, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eleanor Powell

Thanks for solving the Great Morgan mystery! I knew it couldn't have been one of the Broadway films as was stated in another source. Do you actually have a copy of the Powell book cited? I've been trying to track down a copy for ages but unfortunately the only copy I can find is on Amazon for something like $100. 23skidoo 18:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

You're very welcome. Unfortunately, all of the Bio-Bibliographies in the Performing Arts are priced as academic monographs - which essentially they are. I don't own a copy, although I believe I can access one via a library. What I did in this case was to use my account with Amazon.com who will allow me to access a (very) limited number of pages of the book through the search inside feature. This is very useful for validating specific inquiries, in those books where the search inside facility is available. They will not allow you to save a copy of any page you access, so you either need to transcribe the information, or use some other technique (e.g. digital camera). And they will not allow you full access to more than about ten pages before cutting your full page access off. On a side note, according to Schultz, the song that Eleanor is dancing to is "Got a Pair of New Shoes" which was on the music title lists for Broadway Melody of 1938 and was recorded for that film. This may have been what your source was alluding to. The specific arrangement Eleanor dances to is a special one by Walter Bullock. Dermot 12:31, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Image:Fred Astaire - Style.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Fred Astaire - Style.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

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Thank you for alerting me to the presence of a duplicate of Image:Astaire at NBC 1936.jpg on Wikipedia Commons. Unfortunately it is a duplicate of the fair use image I uploaded, and refers to Image:Astaire at NBC 1936.jpg as its source, while relicensing it under a Japanese license. As this is an NBC publicity photograph, I am almost certain that this relicensing is incorrect. Therefore I have restored the page to its previous state, pending the outcome of this deletion request. I have also edited the image description page and the image description page to reflect this situation Dermot 18:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
In your edit to the article Fred Astaire you wrote: "however, book cover definitely violates fair use since article is not about a book". You may be correct, but the template Template:Book cover doesn't actually say that. It says it might. Because this is not a black and white issue. There are plenty of unfree images on Wikipedia such as book covers, magazine covers, movie screenshots which are used in articles because they are inextricably associated with the subject of the article. The book in question is about nothing other than Fred Astaire, and it is used as a reference within the article. The purpose of this image is to communicate the fact that Astaire was considered one of the leading male fashion icons of his time - not just a dancer, actor and singer. Not to mention that he detested his usual portrayal in top hat and tails. What better way to illustrate all that than this book cover? Also, by relocating Image:Astaire at NBC 1936.jpg to the top of the page, you remove it from the section dealing with Astaire the singer. The fair use rationale I associated with this image states that it be used specifically for the purpose of portraying Astaire as a leading vocalist of the 1930s, moving it weakens this rationale. Of course, if it was a free image, as I know you assumed it was, that would be fine, but I'm pretty sure it isn't. Dermot 19:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
The infobox is for an identification photo. The reason why I put the replaceable image tag is both because it is a book cover and also because there are pd images for that purpose available. For example, at the moment, I am downloading Royal Wedding from archive.org in order to get some color screenshots of him for commons. As for the image on commons that is up for deletion, I assume that either the poster has special information about its Japanese copyright status, or that the image will be deleted. --PhantomS 20:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, you only placed a tag relating to a Public Domain replacement. In future, if you have a problem with the fair use viability of an image, especially where an image has been properly sourced and a fair use argument supplied, please make use of the appropriate tags such as {{fairusereview}} or tag {{fair use disputed}} with explicit arguments on the image discussion page as per Wikipedia:Fair use on why you disagree with a particular fair use rationale. This way, people can understand exactly what you mean. Dermot 23:03, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Songs introduced by Fred Astaire

Did you really mean to put that in the Category:Songs introduced by Fred Astaire? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 10:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Why? Dermot 10:40, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry that was written badly but you have "Category:Songs introduced by Fred Astaire" in "Category:Songs introduced by Fred Astaire". Should it not be in something like Category:Fred Astaire? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 10:43, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
You're absolutely right. Many thanks, I've fixed it now. Dermot 10:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Having noticed that "Category:Fred Astaire" is a redlink I am promted to ask where there isn't a category for him (and other very notable people) when there are categories like Category:Barney & Friends. It would seem to me that the category you just created, articles like Fred Astaire's solo and partnered dances and his filmography would populate it quite well. Cheers. 10:56, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Excellent idea. You'll have to excuse me, but I'm only just becoming familiar with the category concept, never having used it up to now. Dermot 10:59, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
On further investigation, there was a category for Fred Astaire, but it was deleted after a discussion, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_March_4. I agree with the decision, and I think it is correct to expect that a wider range of disparate articles, not navigable from the main article on Astaire, should be present before establishing such a category. The Frank Sinatra category seems to be a good example of category use. Dermot 23:07, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Good one on finding that. The deletetion debate makes sense. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 02:34, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
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