Talk:Derek and the Dominos

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Contents 1 NPOV 2 Unrequited love? 3 citations 4 Eric and the Dynamos or Derek and the Dynamics? 5 Hard rock? 6 GA Nomination 7 Passed GA Nomination! 8 Second or third CD? 9 References 10 Discography

[edit] NPOV

Is this sentence a bit overly superlative? "They were a blues-rock band that demonstrated virtuosity at its finest, showing some of Clapton's very finest work." For the third sentence of an article, it might be good to have some more specific description of the group's work. Possibly if we want to keep this basic idea, we could replace an opinion with a fact, like how many records they have sold or how high Layla came in on a rock poll like Rolling Stone. Or put the opinion in the mouth of a credible rock critic, who might have an interesting turn of phrase as well.

Words and phrases like superb, powerful, sublime, "some of his best," and "time has only added to their fame" occur in the main body of the article, but in a field like music, aesthetics is notoriously subjective, so some of that's to be expected.Edonovan 19:31, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

I'd object only to the jingle-jangle of "finest...finest". Perhaps a more incisive adjective describing the specific kind of fine could be substituted for each "finest".. My larger problem is with this:

"...to nurse a heroin addiction due to his unrequited and intense romantic longing...". Don't we know yet that addictions, like alcoholism, aren't "due to" disappointed love: she drove him to drink..." etc etc? A better phrase should be easy to find. --Wetman 04:32, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Unrequited love?

"Clapton's unrequited love for Pattie Boyd who was married to his best friend George Harrison. Clapton was seeing Pattie secretly at the time and Whitlock was dating her sister. It was not until much later that the affair was open;". It sounds as if the love was requited.--Henrygb 18:40, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] citations

This article is in desperate need of some references! This would not be considered encyclopedia quality for any topic, but it's especially bad here, since Clapton is one of the most rumored-about musical artists.

Referenced somewhat thoroughly but will keep referencing to help reduce the POV. - Patman2648 05:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eric and the Dynamos or Derek and the Dynamics?

There are two conflicting provisional names for the band from different sources. The wikipedian source provided by User:Dunks58 who put it on the Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs page here way back in April of 2005 says "Eric and the Dynamos. But the artistsfacts.com page claims the band was Derek and the Dynamics and claims they retrieved this info directly from Bobby Whitlock himself in an interview. If anyone knows which one is correct and has a source for the info that would be great. Thanks, - Patman2648 01:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hard rock?

They are not a hard rock band so someone should change the genre that to rock blues or some similar

Removed hard rock from the categories thanks for making aware the situation. - Patman2648 23:59, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA Nomination

I put this articles Good Article nomination on hold because it lacks a few references, each of which I marked with a "citation needed." Other than that, it is stellar and could even rise to Featured Article status soon if expanded a little more. I'd recommend putting it through peer review once you add in those references and I pass it as a GA. -- Cielomobile ^minor7♭5 04:35, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the gracious words on the article and I appreciate the effort in spending time on this page when it was so far behind on the list of Good Article nominees. I have cited all places where you placed ^{[citation needed]} and have put the article in for a peer review through the fabolous folks at WikiProject Biographies. I will also work on expanding the page further and obtaining my goal of Featured Article status. Thank you again and please check back in a few days after the peer review. - Patman2648 07:25, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

As you no doubt noticed, I also had a tweak and in my edit summary mentioned the narrative. (I'm from WPBIO, by the way). It's nice to see you've improved it a bit already, but I think the last section is still a tad confusing. "The album although initially not recieved well by critics,[27] has since become considered among Clapton's most outstanding achievements." Which album? You mention many. Is nndb.com a reliable source by the way?

If by album you mean Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs, perhaps you should move that text into the "The Layla album" section? If you mean another album please state which one. (In "The Layla album" section you don't mention at all it being negatively received; just that it "has continued to be noticed by critics and has been named one of the best albums of all time by VH1 and Rolling Stone". Hope that helps. --kingboyk 23:02, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that ending section is still terrible, I tried somewhat but it just needs to be rewritten from the ground up, its just plain awful and has been from the start. I will definitely re-haul that end section and for the other phrase (nndb.com, flop/success), I went to my library and got some more books on the matter which I'll add in which clarify the situation much better than any online sources I've seen and I'll replace that section properly and move material from end section to the layla section. Overall those two sections are the weak points of the article and I will try to rework them. Thank you so much for the advice and help, any advice you can give would be great and I will do my utmost to fix the problem(s). Thanks again - Patman2648 23:31, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Passed GA Nomination!

Congratulations, this article has been promoted to Good Article status. If you wish to continue the improvement of this article, by all means follow through with the peer review. Good luck. -- Cielomobile ^minor7♭5 05:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

It was brought to my attention that the images here don't have fair use rationale for this page, which is required in order for the article to be GA status. Please provide that rationale for this article to retain its GA status. -- Cielomobile ^minor7♭5 17:54, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I provided fair use rationale for all images, if there are any problems with the rationale please notify me and I'll work to correct them. Thanks for allowing me time to provide the fair use rationale and not instantly failing the article. - Patman2648 03:26, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

The discography section still needs fair use rationale, but good work so far. -- Cielomobile ^{talk / contribs} 03:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Updated discography and everything should be in order, thanks again. - Patman2648 05:23, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Second or third CD?

By the track listing of The Layla Sessions: 20th Anniversary Edition, I can clearly see that the studio jams are on the second CD, not the third. But I did find few sites that say otherwise, is that true? Michaelas10 11:03, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe you are right that its the second album. I own the box set and the jams are on the second CD. Thanks and you did a really good job on the album The Layla Sessions: 20th Anniversary Edition, now I have to go back and improve all the other D&D albums to those standards. Thanks and Good luck! - Patman2648 19:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References

There is clearly something wrong with the refernces, they just don't show up. I've looked in the history and didn't seem to find any problem. A Wikipedia error? Michaelas10 (T|C) 00:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I see them alright, maybe it's your browser? -- Cielomobile ^{talk / contribs} 03:02, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

It went away with Firefox. Probably just an IE bug. Michaelas10 (T|C) 11:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discography

There was an attempt to change the formatting of discography to a standard text only version claiming a WP:MUSTARD regulation. Upon further review on the matter there is no clear concensus on discography sections but a vote is underway and can be reached at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians/Article guidelines where I encourage everyone to vote on the matter. The discography section used previously and on the page now is an extremely popular format that has been in used in many Wikipedia:Featured Articles such as The Beatles, Pink Floyd, and Genesis. On the question at hand please make your voice heard on which discography format you'd prefer to see on this page. Thanks you. - Patman2648 07:42, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Why can't we just combine both? Images at top, and chart table below. I've seen this done like 100 times. Michaelas10 (T|C) 11:48, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I think doing that would be redundant. The images look much cleaner, and the cover of Layla is closely associated with Clapton and the group. -- Cielomobile ^{talk / contribs} 16:20, 15 October 2006 (UTC)