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1 Derek as Gifted Medium
2 Derek as Disputed Actor
3 Derek who has a gift
4 NOT Vandalism by 82.6.98.214
5 Where's the evidence?
6 ISPR and Dr. Larry Montz
7 My reversion
8 Criticism on this page
9 Warnings (Slightly Off Topic)
10 Topov
11 Footnotes
12 Sources
13 Mediation
14 Derek's Age

[edit] Derek as Gifted Medium

Derek is not great, he is gifted and respected all over the world. He was first known as Derek Acorah the football player. He played for Wrexham Youths and went on to play for Liverpool Youths. He was a wee boy when he received the special gift which he inherited from his grandma. His first proper sighting or feeling was when he followed his grandma to a sick girl. His grandma asked what he saw and he saw red blood on the ceiling above the young girl. I hope he can carry on with his talent as he has inspired me to learn my own gift. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ecocolowe (talk • contribs) 20:54, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Derek as Disputed Actor

It seems to me that the evidence disputing Derek as a medium is just too great. I'm lucky enough to be able to have met him - it's difficult to believe otherwise when you see him answer a question you have posed him, but whether gifted or not, if you looked at him and didn't instantly believe him he wouldn't be famous! I believe that mediums themselves are interesting and diverse people, some of which are genuine or genuinely believe themselves to by clairvoyant, but then there are those who are just tyring to pull the wool over people's eyes - Derek Acorah, for example! Snodawg 11:19, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Derek who has a gift

Although I have never met him personally, I can relate to him. See, I am clairvoyant. I do not use this gift as a profession. I am also clairaudient but it is not my strong suite. I have no spirit guide that I am aware of. I have dealt with a entity who never took a form and I also dealt with an entity that decided to walk about a foot away from me as a white form.

This does exist. Either you believe it or not and that is your choice. Many have to actually experience it to believe. It is a very odd thing to see a person from the revolution standing infront of you asking for help as you walk around the property of what once was a military hospital.

From reading a few of Derek's books, he does mention almost all what I experience so I believe he does have the gift to some extent.

Where I have had questions. For example, there is an episode of Most Haunted where they are in the castle and the door opens by itself infront of Derek and this odd expression overcame his face. It seemed like he struggled to come up with any name. If you actually see entities on a regular basis, you'd know who that is. If he claimed to be just a clairvoyant, I'd believe it because you are rarely given names or complete pieces of information.

Either way, he is very entertaining and I watch Most Haunted every week. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.194.175.247 (talk • contribs) 22:27, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NOT Vandalism by 82.6.98.214

I've added a warning to their talk page. --Paul Moloney 11:25, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

There's continued vandalism, from different IP addresses. Perhaps a lock should be put on this page?

--Paul Moloney 19:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I removed more vandalism — The external link to "Most Haunted on Living TV" was to a pornographic website.S3BST3R 04:10, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

The link is not pornographic. Perhaps you should check the link itself before you accuse others of vandalism. The link is to a video of Derek Acorah on Most Haunted —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.255.104.9 (talk • contribs) 08:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where's the evidence?

This article clearly has a potential for controversy. I think it is important that Wikipedia remain factual, as opposed to simply opinion. So when someone says that Acorah offers "overwhelming evidence" of genuine mediumship, that evidence should be referenced. As far as I am aware, no medium has ever passed a test which proves their abilities, so if such evidence is available, it should be found on Wikipedia! Stevepaget 22:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ISPR and Dr. Larry Montz

There was a recent complaint to m:OTRS about the characterization of Dr. Montz as a ghost tour-guide from New Orleans. I wasn't able to find any reference to this statement except in other websites who list us as their reference. In any case, since this article is about Derek, information on Dr. Montz is probably better off in his own article. Shell ^babelfish 20:12, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My reversion

I feel that Stevepaget should have simply reverted to my version rather than attempt to edit the wholesale deletions made by 217.42.229.247. For example, they deleted the sentence about Montz even though I had substantiated this with a reference. When making such wholesale deletions, I feel the onus is on the editor to explain such deletions on the discussion page.--Paul Moloney 09:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with that, Paul. I just reworded the criticism section to take into account some of the sentiments of the previous editor. It was a little assumptive, so I have tried to make it more neutral. Stevepaget 11:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Cool, no problem with your new edits either! --Paul Moloney 11:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism on this page

The guidelines relating to biographies has this to say about negative content:

"If someone appears to be pushing an agenda or a biased point of view, insist on reliable third-party published sources and a clear demonstration of relevance to the person's notability. Critics of Wikipedia are sometimes the subject of biased editing and it is important not to allow pro-Wikipedia biases to influence editing.

Views that are relevant to the subject's notability, are based on reliable sources, and are not given undue weight are usually appropriate content."

How much more reliable can you get than video evidence and interviews with members of the Most Haunted crew? The Kreed Kafer story appeared in the national newspapers, with interviews from Mr O'Keeffe. I can understand how Mr Acorah and his supporters would prefer to forget these episodes but it is relevant to Acorah's notability, it only appears in one carefully labelled paragraph and it is backed by evidence. As such, it belongs on Wikipedia.

[edit] Warnings (Slightly Off Topic)

This is slightly off topic, but this has happened as a result of me adding a verification link to this topic. A user, Topov, has added warning symbols to my page accusing me of inserted spam:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Paulmoloney

The user themselves has no user talk or identification page. Who do I complain to about this illegitimate use of the warning system?

P.--Paul Moloney 14:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I got the same. Don't worry. I'm confident that the information on the page deserves to be here. If he requests a block, it will be up to a moderator to decide. I'm happy to let the decision rest with them.Stevepaget 14:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

As yes, I didn't realise that Topov was the one who has been performing wholesale deletions of criticism. It would nice if they themselves could justify turning this article into a hagiography rather than cowardly try to block us. --Paul Moloney 14:55, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Topov

This person has now performed at least 3 reverts, removing any material critical of Acorah. They have also refused to engage with other editors on the talk page. They have also added warnings to my user page, yet removed questions I have asked of them on _their_ user page. What "higher power" should be bring this to?

P.--Paul Moloney 08:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Footnotes

One of the spurious warnings that the reticent Topov added to my page was for the use of "spam" on this article; I presume that s/he was referring to the use of references to external web sites with critical info.

Just to remove _any_ doubts about that, I've reformatted references link to use reference tags as per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:FOOT.

P. --Paul Moloney 09:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

I doubt whether badpsychics.co.uk is a reliable enough source for WP:LIVING; the domain name suggests that it's not exactly neutral. The "Kreed Kafer" story is covered in several newspaper articles including The Guardian[1] and The Mirror[2]; I'd suggest using these sources instead. Demiurge 13:23, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I have changed the reference to the Mirror web site. It seemed more specific to the topic than the Guardian page. Stevepaget 13:33, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I've had enough of Topov's vandalism and evasion and have asked for mediation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-10-04_Derek_Acorah

P. --Paul Moloney 13:35, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Topov has finally been blocked, albeit temporarily, from editing this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Topov

P. --Paul Moloney 15:24, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation

The Mediation Cabal was asked to help in resolution of issues with this page. The mediation will be held at the case page, Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-10-04 Derek Acorah. I've taken the case as the mediator.

Please visit the page and check the information presented. Is everything correct? Is something important omitted? Is there something to add? Please add comments on the case page, to bring the summary of all information and opinions in one place. If you have compromise ideas, it would also be nice to post them on the page. Please take your part in the resolution of the issue.

For the time of mediation, please be careful with editing the information related to criticism of Derek Acorah to avoid controversial actions; of course, this doesn't concern working with other parts or noncontroversial edits. CP/M ^comm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 16:38, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Derek's Age

Surely he wasn't born in 1977? This makes him 29 years old! Griffin147

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