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[edit] Disclaimer

Is this "disclaimer" really encyclopedic? Khoikhoi 08:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

That's exactly what I was thinking :) I think that info (or its equivalent in the Turkey article) should be merged to either under minorities or some other section. Baristarim 08:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Phew! I was just perusing the article and there are way too many weasel words here and there. Some cleanup is neccessary :) Baristarim 09:14, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm.. I don't think there should be anything titled "disclaimer" as if Wikipedia is presenting some sort of possibly libellous third-party quote, however I suppose that there needs to be some kind of explanatory paragraph/sentences that cover that particular facet of the issue. I agree with Ottoman's reasoning that Turkish citizenship laws (and a lot of social and republican structures) are modelled after the French model, and present important and interesting takes on the issue of citizenship that would need to be explained so that readers can understand the issue better. However, I also think that Demographics of France article overdid it by placing a huge paragraph titled "disclaimer" on top. French people tend to be sensitive about this as much as the Turkish people (maybe more so :)) since there are philosophical parallels in how those identities were created, so I will abstain from editing the French article since I don't want to start an edit-war with the French editors but that disclaimer shouldn't stand alone, but rather be integrated into the intro or a relevant section in a way.

I suppose this can make a good case for systemic bias since some countries can forge and apply a unified national identity without practically no-one raising any eyebrows, but when it comes to another country many people find it offensive for some reason even though the underlying philosophical argument for such an application of national identity is extremely valid in context. I suppose if Turkey were as rich as France it wouldn't have those sort of problems :)) c'est la vie I suppose... Baristarim 23:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Bias originates without the emphasizing the major fact. An ideology (so the followers of the ideology) that separate people into sections (by the way there is no limit where to terminate the division, "I'm a ... However ... also has xxx and yyy, AND not all xxx are alike, not all yyy alike ... continious 4 ever) would like to ignore the major policy regarding demographics and for that person even a mention of the policy is a bias (this is how I perceive the people reject the disclaimer). If we look at the people who want to remove the disclaimer, they disclaimed that they prefer to see people; "not as people" but people that has a form of property, (talk like me, walk like me). In a page about classifying people, if the major data originates from CIA which is not the original institution DIE (by the way Turkey = Republic of Turkey, not a random location) if you do not mention why the state do not generate the data (the original state wants to promote the idea that people a like) produces a bias regarding the "data in the page". In a way not giving disclaimer is promoting the CIA data. I claim these people are biased against the Turkey and biased for the CIA. PS: I'm not against ethnicity but I'm against removing the note that informs about ethnicities. Thanks OttomanReference 23:27, 10 February 2007 (UTC)