Talk:Demographics of Europe

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Demographics of Europe was the collaboration of the week for the week starting on April 9, 2006.

For details on improvements made to the article, see history of past collaborations.

1 Too Big Overview?
2 Contradictory statistics
3 Countries of Europe?
4 Multi-racial Europe
5 Reason for contradict templates
6 Merge European peoples

[edit] Too Big Overview?

I find the overview too long. Does anyone else agree? Computerjoe 's talk 07:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I think it's long compared to the rest of the article, but I do not think that it is long by itself. Let's fill in the other sections, and we can fix the overview to match the rest of the article. (^'-')^ Covington 04:04, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

i agree with covington let's fill the rest first.Juan Scott 22:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Too long or not, I don't like the following sentence in the overview. "Furthermore, two European countries (currently The Netherlands and Switzerland) have allowed a limited form of voluntary euthanasia. It remains to be seen how much demographic impact this may have." Euthansia may mean that at any given point in time in aggregate terms there are slightly fewer old people, but the effect is never going to be particularly large, and as far as other demographics are concerned the implications are limited at best. It is not that the statement is wrong, it does indeed remain to be seen how much demographic impact euthanasia will have, but the effect is likely to remain so small that it doesn't deserve a mention in the overview. Any objections to deleting it? Wilston 01:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Contradictory statistics

In the lead, it says that Europe's population was in 2003 a little shy of 800 million. In the statistics below, it shows in 2000 and 2005, the population was basically the same (728 million). Now unless there was a remarkable spike for only a couple of years, which one is correct? Batmanand | Talk 14:59, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Let's go check where these stats are from; some sources estimates might be different from others'. (^'-')^ Covington 02:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Europe is in the First World. First World estimates do not differ by 10%. I am imagining they are different definitions of "Europe". Batmanand | Talk 07:47, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Countries of Europe?

As of September 26th, Bulgaria and Romania are both accepted in the European Union, starting with January 1st 2007. Please update all the information with regard to this fact.

As a native Romanian living in France, I feel ofended by the fact that that you currently include Bulgaria in the EU in all of your statistics (which, by the way, is not correct), yet you leave Romania out. So either you talk about both countries or about none of them.

Thank you very much.

[edit] Multi-racial Europe

Europe is becomming more like the United States where there are many different ethnic groups and that race is an issue. Race riots are occurring in Europe like the one in France. Furthermore, millions of black africans and arabs are continously moving to Europe and they are driving Europeans crazy. Europe is close to Africa and Europeans can't do anything to stop the waves of immigrants from Africa. 72.140.235.202 00:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Rounding up in internment camps does the job mirite?

[edit] Reason for contradict templates

My reason, as listed in the edit summary:

added templates for contradiction, Europe lists a population of 710 million, this article's intro lists 799 million, later, a table claims 728 million, difference in years couldn't account for this.

I'm not sure when these numbers crept in, but I don't think it's recent vandalism, as the edit history shows these figures at least as far back as April[1]. What are the correct numbers? If definitions (of what constitutes Europe) vary between the different estimates, this should be noted. Even if this were the case, I think one estimate would be better. If the estimates differ by year or by method (of counting or estimating), they should be only vary by a few percent, if by even that much. Thanks. Ufwuct 16:25, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

You do have a point. It's because the estimates are coming from different sources and they may often contradict each other. I think the best way to avoid this problem would be to explicitly cite the source of each estimate next to the figure (e.g. according to the Council of Europe... according to the United Nations...). I'll do that now and also remove the tags.--Rudjek 21:24, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

The Council of Europe includes all of Russia (including the 8 time zones in Asia), all of Turkey (though only a very small portion is in Europe), Armenia (almost all in Asia), and Georgia and Azerbaijan (only 1/2 in Europe). Including all of Turkey's population or the Asian part Russia's population (some of which is right next to Alaska) would be misleading and would be inconsistent with the Europe article. We should be consistent with the definition of Europe and not contradict other articles. Inconsistencies of a few million people would be understandable, but to be off by 85 million (about 12%) is not encyclopedic and is totally avoidable. Ufwuct 15:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)