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Contents 1 Accreditation 2 "notability disputed" 3 Removal of the External link to The Delphian School ESL program 4 Delphi Schools, Licenced by Applied Scholastics, not a Scientology-related entity so not a Scientology Series 5 A Piece of Blue Sky ref 6 music trivia:

[edit] Accreditation

None of the schools operated by Delphi Schools, Inc. are accredited. Justanother (talk • contribs) has recently white-washed the accreditation section of this article by trying to argue that the schools are licensed, or that the schools in question are merely K-9 and don't require accreditation. It is true that no school is required to receive accreditation. It is a voluntary process that almost all private primary and secondary schools go through. The reasons that schools, students, parents, teachers, and employers value accreditation are laid out in the article School accreditation.

The Delphian School in Oregon is not accredited by the state of Oregon, which does provide an official list of all the accredited primary and secondary schools. The other Delphi Academies in California, Massachusetts, and Florida are also not accredited by the recognized regional accrediting bodies.

Claiming that the schools are "licensed" is not the same as accreditation. A license to operate is just that. It doesn't mean that an independent accrediting body has examined the curriculum, faculty, and facilities and determined it to be appropriate. A license just means that the state isn't going to put anyone in jail for running the business. The requirements for a state "license to operate" and for accreditation are different -- and that is why all of the schools that Delphi Schools, Inc. runs remain unaccredited.

I have reverted the whitewashing attempts by Justanother. Vivaldi (talk) 23:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, the accreditation status certainly belongs in the article. I merged both of our edits and believe I have struck a decent balance. I removed the editorializing we both did. Oregon is on an accreditation track and that is shown. IMO, this is not really deserving of pounding into the ground. These are generally small schools and have chosen not to pursue accreditation. --Justanother 02:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "notability disputed"

A user has been placing "notability disputed" tags on Scientology-related education subjects, apparently misunderstanding that their notability is not just for their own sake, but as they relate to Scientology. wikipediatrix 02:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of the External link to The Delphian School ESL program

External links

• The Delphian School ESL Program ESL program

User Tilman has removed 3 times the following External link I put and that shows how the ESL is an important activity of the School: here and here for instance with the use of Straw Man arguments or "reasons". User seams unfaily biased (see user talk page) against Scientology related articles and this even though this articles is just about a school using Scientology Study Technology. - Jpierreg (talk) 01:02, 29 November 2006 (GMT)

Yes, and I will remove it again. Wikipedia is not a link farm for the different programs (swimming, chess, study technology, clay art, whatever) of that self-proclaimed scientology "school". One commercial link should be enough. --Tilman 08:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Delphi Schools, Licenced by Applied Scholastics, not a Scientology-related entity so not a Scientology Series

Grateful acknowledgment is made to L. Ron Hubbard Library for permission to reproduce selections from the copyrighted works of L. Ron Hubbard. Delphi Schools, Inc. is licensed to use Applied Scholastics™ educational services. Applied Scholastics and the Applied Scholastics open book design are trademarks and service marks owned by Association for Better Living and Education International and are used with its permission.

– Delphi Schools , Copyright Information

Though Applied Scholastics is a Scientology-related entity, Delphi Schools are not mentioned directly or indirectly, by law, as being a Scientology-related entity. The Scientology Series template is not valide here since it is misleading -- Jpierreg 20:05, 21 Feb 2006 (GMT)

It has not been said that Delphi is a "Scientology-related entity" as in the IRS agreement. Same applies to Tom Cruise and Cyril Vosper. Yet, the scientology template applies, because it is a scientology related topic.

Btw, the "L. Ron Hubbard Library" is just a business alias for the Church of Spiritual Technology, which is the managing entity of scientology. --Tilman 20:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Do you agree that the Church of Spiritual Technology is a managing entity only as far as Copyright is concerned? -- Jpierreg 06:25, 22 Feb 2006 (GMT)

We're getting away from the topic. --Tilman 07:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

To support your justifications as "a related topic", you've made the claim of saying "just a business alias for the Church of Spiritual Technology, which is the managing entity of scientology". However I see nowhere that the Church of Spiritual Technology is -the- managing entity of scientology. This looks to me not only as a WP:OR but a controversial statement. --Jpierreg 03:04, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

It is not mentioned in the Delphi article. --Tilman 06:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

The fact that the "school" is licensed by Applied Scholastics, which is a scientology-related organisation, should be enough to keep the template. That the "L. Ron Hubbard Library" is the Church of Spiritual Technology just makes it even stronger. It sort of makes it hard to claim that this "school" licensed by a "Church" organisation is "non-sectarian" :-) --Tilman 15:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Given that Applied Scholastics is not a "Church" as you like to claim (here's the 'FAQ' from the source), and as far as I know the L. Ron Hubbard Library controls the copyrights to all of his written works including his fiction (which I don't think you would say is religious), I'd say it's more than possible that a school can use study technology and still be non-sectarian (i.e. be entirely neutral as to which religion its students are). It is factual that there are students of many different religions that go to the school. They even offer rides to local churches for students that wish to attend their own church while going to school.Cyberjared 06:17, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah right. So Applied Scholastics is scientology-related, and licensed by a "church", but you still insist that Delphi is "non-sectarian", despite forcing their students to use "study technology", a practice that is a core belief of the church of scientology.

And No, it's not "factual". I even have evidence of the contrary: a girl who was harassed at Delphi because she was practicing her own minority religion. The harassment was so bad that she attempted suicide. Then she was thrown off.

The FAQ is obviously false, since they admitted being a scientology-related organisation to the IRS. You can't have it both ways, Cyberjared. --Tilman 07:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Although Delphi Schools are schools that a Scientologist like myself is likely to support since it gives an option to parents for a real improvement over the Status quo in education for their kids. I object to the whole Scientology template because it is flashy and misleading. You don’t even have a template like on Christian School. Likewise a Christian School do not have as its end product the goal to teach Christianity but to provide the environment and framework of Christianity. --Jpierreg 08:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Please discuss this in THAT article. THIS is about Delphi, a school run by scientologists that uses a technique licensed from a scientology-related organisation on its students. I would therefore ask you to stop your vandalism here. --Tilman 18:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

According to the standard Applied Scholastic licence agreement [1], they are paying 4% of their gross income (before costs) to ABLE. AndroidCat 19:11, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Likely it is more, your PDF is about "charitable community centers". Delphi isn't a non-profit.

Additionally, they have to pay the WISE fees, and an IAS donation from time to time, when a "reg cycle" comes up. --Tilman 19:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh yes. They are listed as members of the World Institute of Scientology Enterprises. AndroidCat 21:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes! and do Delphi Schools mainly teaches what's on the Scientology Series template ? --Jpierreg 18:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Here's an acknowledged Delphian School graduate who is a Christian doing ministry work in Kenya [2]. It doesn't seem that Scientology is forced on the students if they graduate students of any faith. Cyberjared 19:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The Church of Scientology has stated many times that you don't have to give up your current religion to become a Scientologist. AndroidCat 20:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The website doesn't mention Delphi. Anyway, Delphi uses "study technology". That is a "religious" technique used in the "Church" of scientology. --Tilman 20:25, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A Piece of Blue Sky ref

The headmaster of Delphi, in Oregon, has claimed that children who are not educated in Scientology schools are being "psychwashed" by the educational system. Further, he has said that Delphi wants non-Scientologist children so that the Scientology children, who are being trained to become leaders, can gain experience in dealing with "wogs." 1. Alan Larson circular letters, 17 June 1985, 19 August 1987

Atack, Jon (1990). "Fair Game, Ethics and the Scriptures", A Piece of Blue Sky. New York, NY: Carol Publishing Group. ISBN 0-8184-0499-X. 

Rather than immediately kick off reversion wars, I'm posting this here first for discussion. AndroidCat 20:56, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

• Support. (except for the word "claimed" per WP:WTA). Especially considering that Jon Atack was sued a lot, but never about that one. --Tilman 21:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
• Support. Per Tilman, who makes some excellent points here. The fact that this information from reputable secondary source was never disputed, is a notable point worth mentioning here on the talk page. Smee 07:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC).
• Support, with minor change. This is a 20 year old reference, and the quote should start with a disclaimer about that. Should begin with something along the lines of: In Alan Larson's 1990 book ____, he references letters from 1985 and 1987 where: begin quote here. Aboutmovies 20:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] music trivia:

The Chick Corea album Delphi (album), was named after, and (I beleive) recorded in, and commemorative of the opening of, the original Sheridan school.

Seemingly, as a response to this, Delphi Students and/or teachers put out a commemorative recording of Jazz Classics (wasn't bad IMO) called, (I think) The Music of Delphi. (I wasn't as fond of the Coreaq recording, but then I compare it to Other Corea recordings, and so its a totally diferent scale)Thaddeus Slamp 21:00, 3 April 2007 (UTC)