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In the page on Delaware, Geography section, last sentance, it is written that the wedge of land went to Maryland in 1921, but in all maps the wedge is shown as a part of Delaware. Someone with correct knowledge please correct this.
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The flag on the subject page is not the right color of blue -- it should be a more turquoise color, but on the blue (not green) side, somewhat like a darker sky blue. -- isis 7 Sep 2002
I've replaced the wrong-colored gif with a jpg photo of an actual Delaware flag, but I'd appreciate it if someone could get a better picture of the flag in the right colors. isis 9 Sep 2002
I was surfing today (Dec. 11th) and noticed that the information about New Castle County is incorrect because of this past November's election. I am a high school librarian, and I will be taking a class to this site later this month. I would like to allow them to edit this page. I hope that no one else does it before then. --68.82.150.34 01:02, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] History Question
According to the article Delmarva Peninsula, In 1776 the three counties of Kent, New Castle, and Sussex declared their independence from Pennsylvania and entered the United States as the State of Delaware. but this article states that In 1704 the "three lower counties" gained a separate legislature, and in 1710 a separate executive council. Does this mean that between 1710 and 1776 Deleware was part of Pennsylvania but possessed a degree of autonomy? - Nik42 00:35, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
Not exactly. Delaware believed itself to be independent during this period and acted accordingly, including sending its own representatives to the Continental Congress, but Pennsylvania never formally recognized this, citing their own claims dating back to the original royal charter for the colony. One reason for Delaware's extremely quick ratification of the US Constitution was that the Constitution guaranteed that Pennsylvania's claims to Delaware as its "three lower counties" became void by it. (Sorry, no links for all this, just info from an old Delawarean.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.240.168.232 (talk • contribs) 02:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC).
Well, also consider the distance from Philadelphia to New Castle and how easy it was for a small state to gets its local council's to agree. Spandox 17:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Taxes Question
It would be nice if someone who knows something about it would put some information in the Economy section about companies locating their official headquarters in Delaware for tax reasons, and using transfer pricing and other economic slight-of-hand to make their profits look like Delaware profits.
[edit] Delaware Templates
There currently exist two Delaware templates: Template:DEHistory and Template:Delaware:
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State of Delaware Counties • Hundreds • Municipalities • Rivers • Roads • Railroads • Business Government • Governors • General Assembly • Courts • U.S. Senators • U.S. Representatives History • Education • Religion • Parks & Museums • Communications |
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State of Delaware Dover (capital) |
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Counties | Hundreds | Cities/Towns/Villages | Rivers | Transportation | Landmarks |
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Delaware Coast | Delaware Valley | Cape Region |
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Delaware City | Dover | Harrington | Lewes | Milford | Newark | New Castle | Rehoboth Beach | Seaford | Wilmington |
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Kent | New Castle | Sussex |
Something needs to be done about this. These templates are serving duplicate functions, and aren't really being used consistent with Wikipedia conventions. Usually, the template showing the division into counties and cities is located in the main article about the state (for Delaware, it is the "DEHistory" template that is at the bottom). The "DEHistory" template doesn't really have anything to do with history. It does contain a Continental Congress link, but that is not really Delaware-specific. The History template is being put in articles about people from Delaware, which isn't really consistent with template usage. The usual rule is that if the template contains a link to the article, it should be in that article. But I don't think it's necessary or desirable to put a Delaware template in every article about every person from Delaware. It's also not practical, since many people are associated with more than one state (e.g. should Andrew Jackson have the SC template or the TN template? Or both?! I propose to eliminate Template:DEHistory (most likely merging the Governors, Senators, etc. links into the main Template:Delaware. Any comments about this? --JW1805 (Talk) 21:26, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
- The information on the Template:Delaware has already been merged into the Template:DEHistory template. The Template:DEHistory is smaller, more visually appealing and more flexible. It is really just a nice header for more specific templates for office holders, etc., making it possible to place only secondary templates that are pertinent to the particular article, instead of a great big clunky template with links everywhere. I can imagine adding more people related classifications to one line on this template, and more geographical related classifications to the other line. It is very much a work in progress, but useful as it is. This template is a navigation box that has been given a great deal of thought, gone through considerable evolution, and received several compliments from other editors. I believe it has great promise for future usefulness. It certainly could entirely replace the Template:Delaware, and already has except perhaps on the Delaware article. Then it could be renamed. It actually does have a lot of history as the links all go to historical information. I would very much like to leave it alone for some time to see how it evolves, and can't see how any possible harm could come from that. Sometimes it takes a little time in a hothouse for something to grow; every decision does not have to be made in an instant. However, if one must go, it should be the big, boxy, (IMHO) poorly designed Template:Delaware. stilltim 11:09, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- This page now has an application of the Template:DEHistory header template as it was intended to be used in this context. The town list is corrected to include all incorporations and census designated places over 1,000 people. Perhaps that is too many, but at least its consistent, which it was not before. The hundreds are not listed in detail, but only by reference because they are sufficiently obscure these days. I know it is not a conventional state template, but it sure looks a whole lot better visually. May I suggest we give it a try for a while and see how it feels with some perspective. stilltim 14:32, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think the solution was to go and create yet another Delaware template. Now we have three templates with duplicate links: The two above, and now this:
Template:DEplaces I don't have a problem with, as you suggest, having a "people" template and a "geographical" template. But the current situation is no good. We have two templates entitled "State of Delaware". There needs to be one state template, like all the other states have. It's fine to adjust the formatting if you think it isn't visually appealing. But the answer isn't to create rival templates that contain many of the same links. --JW1805 (Talk) 21:22, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- JW, I agree there is no need for rival templates. The DEplaces is not another Delaware template, but rather an expansion with particular relevance to this article. It works just like the DEGovernors. The DEHistory is the template. I was trying to be thoughful and polite and make sure you understood what I had in mind before changing all the articles as though I was unilaterally declaring my way the right way. So this was only a sample. Since you seem to be saying the approach is OK, I will make this one state template apply everywhere and make the name change and all the other required changes. I appreciate your working with me on this, and regret it is so hard to explain. This design really excites me because it is just like the many USGov templates and can be consistently used for virtually any piece of information. It makes it possible to replace the template hodge podge we now have with a clean consistently designed whole. I presume you have no problem with my removing the tag on DEplaces since you now understand it is not intended to be the Delaware template. stilltim 02:24, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Ummmm, no I don't agree. Your new template should be deleted. It has no reason to exist. If you don't like Template:Delaware, then by all means, change the formatting of it. But don't create a whole new template with the same links. --JW1805 (Talk) 04:49, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I would just like to state that NONE of the towns listed are suburbs of Wilmington. All of them are completely separate towns and are NOT suburbs.
[edit] Delaware was not a colony, just a state.
Delaware was nothing ever but a boundary dispute between Maryland and Pennsylvania--one time part of a deed to the Duke of York, but never its own geographic entity until becoming a state. There is no reason to deny its position as the first of the 13th states, but all the more reason to keep it out of the colonial category. There were only 12 colonies rebelling, with estranged Delaware's exit from Pennsylvania beginning a trend that emancipated Vermont/Kentucky/Maine etc from parent polities (New York, Virginia, Massachusetts etc). Let's not get hazy on this, but more exacting and forthright. Hasbro 00:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
- It's surprising that no one has taken up the cause of defending colonial Delaware, but at least this interesting but non-factual tidbit hasn't creeped into the article. Of course it was a colony - it was founded in the 17th century as New Sweden and only later did it become embroiled in boundary disputes and political power struggles and such. Like its neighbors Pennsylvania and Maryland, it was never a royal colony. Now, on to the current bit of misinformation in the article... it is not historically inaccurate to say that Delaware is "The First State", nor that it was the first to ratify the current constitution, nor that it was the first to ratify the former Articles of Confederation. However, it would be inaccurate to apply the historic ride of Caesar Rodney to cast Delaware's decisive vote for America's independence to the reason for being called "The First State". HokieRNB 21:34, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
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- It is historically inaccurate to call it the first state because of the constitution. I don't think, that Rodney's ride was why Delaware is called the first state. However, it is Historically Accurate to call Delaware the First State -- because it was the first state to approve the Articles of Confederation. Perhaps "Historically Inaccurate" is too contentious. I have changed it to "technically inaccurate"137.131.130.84 23:11, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
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- The other 12 colonies are ranked based on their ratification of the Constitution, why should Delaware be different. Not that matters, it's first either way.--Hgebel 15:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Sorry for the late response. I would just like to note that, even before Delaware formally withdrew from Pennsylvania, it had it's own delegation in the Continental Congress; it was clearly considered to be a separate colony by the Congress and I can't find any suggestion that Pennsylvania disputed this status. Delaware had it's own legislature from 1704. Certainly it is ridiculous to imply that Maine and Vermont were "emancipated" from parent entities. Vermont had no parent entity, it was founded without a charter on land that was disputed between New York and New Hampshire. If it can be said to have any parent entity that entity would be New Hampshire, which issued the original settlement grants. Although neither New York nor New Hampshire were happy with (or recognized) the Vermont Republic, neither successfully excised any control over the area and it was admitted to the Union more or less as an independent Republic not as a former part of New York or New Hampshire (this admission solved two problems, ending the boundary dispute and adding a free state to counterbalance the admission of Kentucky which was also about to be admitted to the Union.) Maine was admitted to the Union to counterbalance the admission of slave state Missouri, not because it was following some example set by any previous state (if it was following any example it would have been the example of Vermont). Kentucky it the only state of the four to have been both a definitive subsidiary part of a parent entity and to leave that entity at it's own citizen's request.--Hgebel 01:49, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- That is significantly better wording. HokieRNB 00:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] New proposed WikiProject
There is now a proposed WikiProject to deal with the state of Delaware at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Delaware. Any parties interested in taking part in such a project should indicate as much there, so that we can know if there is sufficient interest to create it. Thank you. Badbilltucker 16:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Missing image link in the infobox?
The title says it all. Hangfromthefloor 00:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Slave State?
"During the American Civil War, Delaware was a slave state that remained in the Union (Delaware voted not to secede on January 3, 1861). "
Does Delaware deserve to be called a slave state? It was really split half and half. North was anti, south was pro. I suggest reworking the sentence/paragraph. Any suggestions? Eleigh33 00:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
- I don't necessarily think so. All the slave states, from Alabama to Delaware, had dissenters and anti-slavers. It doesn't necessarily make it noteworthy, though, because there was no official legislation legally splitting the state. If they wanted to, they could have slaves in Wilmington; it just was taboo in the city by that point. So, if you want to mention something quick, go ahead, but definitely don't change the context, as Delaware (despite popular opinion) was 100% a slave state until the 13th Amendment (remember: the Emancipation Proclamation was only for the rebelling states, and said that states still loyal could keep the status quo)...sorry! EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 13:51, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Border state is the accepted term. Raul654 17:04, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
- "Slave state" was a reference to the state's laws, not the state's customs. Slavery was legal in Delaware, therefore Delaware was a "slave state". Raul is correct in pointing out that "Border state" was the term for " a slave state that remained in the Union", but the term "border state" should be explained at least once in the article. Αργυριου (talk) 17:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] visitdelaware.com
http://www.visitdelaware.com Was removed as spam. The visitdelaware site is official official site of DEDO (delaware economic development office - a government agency). The site contains all sort sorts useful information about the state and various "attractions" within the state. Is is also where a person can go get more information on the state.
- Re-added. Veinor (talk to me) 22:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Punkin Chunking
In the festivals section there is mention of hydraulic machines - I do not believe this to be the case - I have been for several years and have never heard of a hydraulic punk'n chunker. Is there any data behind the inclusion of this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spandox (talk • contribs) 15:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC).
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RE:HYDRAULICS- there is no hydraulic category in the official competition, someone possibly confused the air cannons with hydraulics? Anyhow the official classes are: Air, centfrifugal, catapult, trebuchet, human power, and torsion, There are also various youth categories. <http://www.punkinchunkin.com/results2006.htm>. I'll go ahead and update the section. Eleigh33 20:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] More stuff to add
State Song: Our Delaware
The official state song consist of a poem "Our Delaware" containing three verses in honor of each county of the State, written by George B. Hynson; a fourth verse in praise of the State and pledging the loyalties of its citizens, written by Donn Devine; and a musical score composed specifically for the state song by Will M. S. Brown".
State Colors:
State Color - Colonial BlueState Color - Buff Colonial blue and buff —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spandox (talk • contribs) 14:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC).
