User talk:Dekkappai/Archive 1

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Contents 1 List 2 Sex crimes against Asian women 3 AFD 4 Correction 5 Categories 6 AfD/Yuria Kato 7 How about this 8 Our mutual friend 9 Re: Removal of "Category:Asian porn star" from Asian countries 10 Chiharu Miyama 11 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of J-pop artists 12 Userfying deleted material 13 thanks 14 Contesting Deletion of List_of_big-bust_models_and_performers 15 WP:PORNBIO "Film named after performer" criterion 16 links 17 Reiko Ike 18 Removal of links to interviews 19 Sorry 20 Chronology of adult videos in Japan 21 Maria Swan/Jana Defi NfD 22 contact 23 Candy Manson 24 Smile!

[edit] List

No, not every item in a list needs to be worthy of an article - however, when we're listing people in a particular occupation, yes, it does, because we should only devote our time to those who are notable. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate list of info - one should not come here expecting to find a list of every porn star ever. Such a list is impossible for us to make and maintain, and has no place here. A category is best to replace a list which only contains links, and no other information. As for redlinks, they can be created in the future and added to the category. My motivation is simply to replace what I saw as a blue link-only list with a category. If it previously contained a lot of non-linked names, without any context, citation, or notability, then they should have been removed.

You are more than welcome to maintain a list on your own; however, I just don't see it being good for WP. A category seems to be much better. --Golbez 15:53, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sex crimes against Asian women

Could you please provide a specific instance of this behaviour? As far as I can ascertain, there has been no redirect from this article to his userspace. Johnleemk | Talk 16:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with duplicating article content for scratchwork in your personal userspace, as long as you refrain from creating redirects from article space to userspace. If you had examined the context of the article, there was consensus to rename Sex crimes against Asian women as Sex crimes against Asian women in the United States. To avoid leaving things hanging, I replaced the redirect created by the move with a stub on sex crimes against Asian women around the world. At no point was there any redirect to userspace involved. Johnleemk | Talk 16:59, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

If you can find a way to enforce additions to the article in an appropriate manner to prevent the wanton addition of unknown actresses (most likely by demanding specific citations for each actress), why not? I have no authority to speak concerning Hong's alleged crusade, as admins enforce policy and don't make it, and I do not have the full details regarding the issue. If Hong is out of line, you can expect others to recognise this and call him out. Johnleemk | Talk 17:30, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AFD

You may also be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hikaru Koto 2. Regards. Neier 22:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Correction

Again, please assume good faith. And no, I do not delete these articles. I am not an admin. They're put up for a vote. --- Hong Qi Gong 16:16, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

Thanks, Cheers, Mad Jack 18:11, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD/Yuria Kato

Hi, (aeropagitica). I believe the recommendations for deletion of the Yuria Kato article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yuria Kato based on non-notability were made based on unfairly inadequate and misleading information. The notability tests were made in English, producing drastically fewer results than are obtained with using her actual Japanese name. Claims of her non-notability showed far, far less notability than she actually shows with the search on her actual, Japanese name (加藤ゆりあ). Similar models who have shown less notability (see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shoko Goto and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hikaru Koto 2) have recently failed AfD nominations. Can the case be reconsidered with the evidence of the Japanese search (i.e., significant presence on Amazon and an article on Japanese Wikipedia) being weighed into the matter? Thank you. Dekkappai 13:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Please make a case for undeletion at Wikipedia:Deletion review. (aeropagitica) 13:28, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How about this

OK, our comments on the AfDs are obviously becoming unconstructive. If you still agree that not all Japanese porn actresses are notable enough, what I would like to do is discuss specific articles with you first before I nominate them for deletion. However, I still insist that a Japanese porn actress with no mainstream work, no notable magazine appearances, no notable awards, etc, would not be notable. It's not just American standards, because without any of the credentials that I keep mentioning, nothing makes a porn actress unique or notable, Japanese or not. Note that I am not saying that I won't nominate an article just because you disagree with the notability of the person in question. But if you can show that they're verifiably notable, I definitely won't nominate them. So with that in mind, for now, here are two that I don't think are notable: Manami Yoshii and Reika (porn actress). --- Hong Qi Gong 22:05, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

reply --- Hong Qi Gong 03:38, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Our mutual friend

Don't worry, I know he's a bit of a jerk when it comes to that. He hasn't fooled me with that report. If he causes trouble on your patch, drop me a line and I'll see if I can help. John Smith's 16:42, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Love is in the air.  :) --- Hong Qi Gong 16:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Pff, what a prat.

Have a look here at my Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR reference. This guy is still try to claim that I'm reverting when it's obvious I'm making different edits.... John Smith's 20:27, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Removal of "Category:Asian porn star" from Asian countries

Hi, if you're asking my personal opinion, I'd agree with HonQiGong on this one, since the categories seem to contain people by ethnicity instead of nationality (and should probably be renamed accordingly). As such, they would not belong in 'by nationality' categories. I do agree that edit warring isn't helpful, but the same goes for you too. - Bobet 20:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

How about creating a "Porn stars by ethnicity" and categorise those categories into it? - Hong Qi Gong ^{(Talk - Contribs)} 20:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chiharu Miyama

Hi there Dekkappai! I noticed you saved the article on Chiharu Miyama and I would like to know why? Sorry I was not able to discuss about the subject during the deletion days but my PC was KO'd. I noticed some kept saying that the whole "Lady Karate Fighter VS Rape Maniacs" thing was a hoax, but that is the translation catfight.co.jp gave it to that title, as it can be seen here: [[1]]. We have to realize that not always the japanese language will offer an exact translation for western languages; since the original japanese title said something like "Karate House VS Rape Demons" and many others. Maybe it could had helped more if it had been in its original japanese characters plus its code (SDDM-003). Tell me Dekkappai, is it possible for you to also keep and save the articles on Shinobu Ayukawa and Erika Nagai? Can I contact you any other way besides here? Thanks. --El Chompiras 12:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply Dekkappai! OK now I can get what are you planning to do, do you need any help with it? The article on Shinobu Ayukawa/Eri Matsui seems to be long gone from Wiki, but can still be found on some of those websites which rip off Wikipedia like Answers and such. The only way to see the one on Erika Nagai is via this link [[2]] out of it, it has been erased leaving only my question on its deletion. I did not knew that users could save articles, can I still save Erika's? Chiharu has been in more videos, I happen to have covers of them but the one mentioned has to be her most known work. I really think we should contact ourselves in a more private way, since I feel uncomfortable showing my messages to main Wikipedia guys, I was sure there was some private message option but guess there is not any. Anyway, nice that you gave a reply about all of this. --El Chompiras 16:36, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi again Dekkappai! Have you seen that the article on Erika Nagai is back??? Except that I like it how you did it better, maybe you could arrange it like placing that "Career" subheader. I was not able to see your e-mail, but you know; think it might be safer if we get in contact at the Mariko Morikawa MSN group we are part of?? Take care! --El Chompiras 01:09, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of J-pop artists

I have tried to respond to some of your arguments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of J-pop artists and I invite you to continue discussing there. Thanks. Axem Titanium 02:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userfying deleted material

Dekkappai, in this AfD, you mentioned trying to rewrite a list of Japanese porn stars. You can contact one of the admins listed here if you need to see the original to rework your copy. Cheers!--Kchase T 06:39, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that hint, Kchase02. Actually, I saved the list myself before it was deleted, but have so thoroughly weeded, revised and added to it, it looks nothing like its former self. When I re-post it, will be a series of annotated lists, limited to AV stars (not the more general "porn") with the actresses arranged by year of debut. The list will be broken down into decades, maybe by individual year in particularly prolific times. A narrative summary of the decade will be followed by more detailed discussions of each year. The entries lists of actresses who debuted in each year will include information about each model, links to news articles mentioning the actress, interviews, and source citations. It's been a lot of work, but the 1980s should be ready to post soon, and the '90s and 2000s won't be far behind that. Dekkappai 18:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good.--Kchase T 18:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Kchase. Would you be willing to take a look and offer any comments or suggestions on it? I know I'll be facing a deletion battle as soon as it's up, so any advice you can offer to pre-emptively help out would be appreciated. User:Dekkappai/List of Japanese AV actresses, 1980s Dekkappai 23:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] thanks

for letting me know about the deletion votes on the two big-bust lists. nothing is sacred to these people :p

i'm gonna be away during the holiday period, just a heads up. hope you have a great holiday season too and i'll be back at the beginning of jan 2007. --Hexvoodoo 08:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Contesting Deletion of List_of_big-bust_models_and_performers

Hi, the article List_of_big-bust_models_and_performers appears to have been deleted despite consensus pointing to keep, thought I'd give you a heads up on it's request for undeletion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review#List_of_big-bust_models_and_performers

[edit] WP:PORNBIO "Film named after performer" criterion

Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(pornographic_actors)#Criteria_seven_notability is discussing the "7. There is an original film (not a compilation) named after the performer." criterion. You've relied on it several times in recent AfD discussions, so I imagine you might have an opinion to add there. AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 21:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] links

Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that exist to attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam policies for further explanations of links that are considered appropriate. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. See the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 21:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I was in error, not you. Agian, sorry. —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 23:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reiko Ike

Thanks for the compliment. Wish I had more info, but it took me quite a while to dredge up what I found on the Internet. Since I don't read Japanese, I've been stuck for more details. I think you've done an excellent job expanding my basic work. Incidentally, which is her given name, and which is her family name? I can never keep that straight when dealing with Japanese names.Konczewski 16:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I noticed the discrepancy in birthdates, too. I did a brute-force search in Wikipedia Japan (cut and paste the Japanese text I found for my article into the search box and got a hit--I think). Do you have any sources for a photo? I was looking all around for one to put in the infobox, but I didn't feel comfortable downloading from the sources I found. Do you think there'd be an issue using her album cover photo? Her left breast is exposed, and I'm not sure about Wikipedia's rules on nudity.Konczewski 17:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I did mention her album in the article, so I guess you could include the album cover in the infobox (album covers fall under the fair use doctrine). But if you have a better picture, by all means post it.Konczewski 22:45, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of links to interviews

That particular interview I removed because it's in Japanese, so it's of limited usefulness to English Wikipedia readers. The Honorable 02:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

Sorry about that... my mistake. It looked like vandalism at first glance for some reason I reverted it.. but then I thought I restored it shortly thereafter. Once again, sorry, I'll try not to be so careless in the future. Danski14 00:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem-- Understandable mistake. (And I haven't even got into the really juicy vocabulary in the dialect yet...) Regards. Dekkappai 00:20, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chronology of adult videos in Japan

Spotted your mention of this article on User talk:AnonEMouse and took a look at it. Haven't done more than take a glance at it so far, but the biggest issue I see for starts is the naming convention used in the article. Most of the references are done Japanese style (surname first, given name second) but there are cases within of names done Western style. For instance, in the 1984 section, the main text refers to "Kikuchi Eri", but the 1984 debuts section refers to "Eri Kikuchi". A quick check at the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) provides the answer to which way the names should be addresses: "(A)lways use the Western order of given name + family name for Western Alphabet, and Japanese Style family name+<space>+given name for Japanese Characters". So you have some cleaning up to do.

I'll take a closer look later on down the road.Tabercil 04:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maria Swan/Jana Defi NfD

You're a lot better at this than I could ever hope to be. Does she not pass notability tests here? To name but one thing, she's been on the cover of Loaded magazine at least twice.[3][4][5] David Hain 15:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I should add quickly that she's made at least two appearances that I know of on talk shows in Britain and Europe. I don't have the references at the moment. ...This nomination is not an isolated incident. Look at what this editor is up to, and he's already been warned about WP:POINT. David Hain 16:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I found her appearance on The Oliver Geissen Show in Germany, if this helps as a reference for notability: http://youtube.com/watch?v=PNkmteaM_n8 David Hain 17:17, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

David, why couldn't you have added those references to the discussion yourself? Epbr123 23:48, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] contact

Hi, I just left a message on your user page on bp. --David Hain 22:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Candy Manson

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[edit] Smile!

I think we all need it :) LaMenta3 03:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)