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Archive of the talk page (November 2004 - February 2006).

Contents 1 Welcome 2 oh, PLEASE... 3 Reply 4 Union of Lublin 5 History of Vilnius 6 Comment 7 Radio mast articles 8 Maps 9 The word "Gunmen" 10 kova su slaviškais niekšais 11 Ethnic composition 12 Union of Kedainiai 13 Straipsniai puikūs 14 Sandomierz and other similar issues 15 Congrats 16 Kova su beždžionėmis tęsiasi 17 Dėl pervertimų ir tuteišų 18 Apskritys 19 Reikia tavo palaikymo 20 Aktualijos 21 www.istorija.net 22 More on name localization 23 Pirma pergalė 24 Dėl pavadinimų ir kt. 25 User:Zivinbudas 26 Lenkeliai kvailioja 27 Template 28 Arbitration Committee case opening 29 Vandalism 30 Wikipedia policy on surveys 31 Cities naming 32 Wegorzewo 33 Žalgiris and Lietuvos Rytas 34 Communist Eastern Europe 35 Macedonians vs. Macedonian Slavs 36 Lithuanian temporary government 37 Arbitration case - final decision 38 Parama 39 Polish Constitution of May 3, 1791 40 Sveikas! 41 Sveikas dar kartą! 42 Kaip uždėti tą ženklą? 43 Dėl panaikinimo 44 Wikipedia_talk:Wikiportal/Lithuania 45 Disricts and distric municipalities 46 municipalities 47 Municipalities map 48 Templates 49 Kgwinðbunt 50 Emailas Kartografijos centrui 51 Please take part in the improval of this article 52 Taigi - musu "politika" 53 Dykra 54 Image copyright problem with Image:Suvalkai.PNG 55 Klaipėda Revolt 56 Move 57 Greetings! 58 Labas 59 Please revise your POV pushing ways 60 Mažvydas 61 Image copyright problem with Image:Southern Lithuania.PNG 62 Image copyright problem with Image:Rytu vilnius.PNG 63 Image Tagging Image:Rzeczpospolita.PNG

[edit] Welcome

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[edit] oh, PLEASE...

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I'm trying to get this image REMOVED, not RESTORED.... can somebody PLEASE help me??

80.57.233.10 14:54, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

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[edit] Union of Lublin

Regardin [1], two notes. One, you need to improve your English a little. But this goes with practice, and there are a lot of Wikipedians who can fix the errors, so don't let it stop you from contributing. Second - can you elaborate more on the 'Polish invasion of Lithuania'? I have never heard about such events. If you could provide some sources it would be great. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:05, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Just typed out what I once learned in history lessons. If you find any inaccuracies, you can correct them.DeirYassin 20:34, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] History of Vilnius

Thanks for your changes to Central Lithuania. Maybe you could also have a look at History of Vilnius and halp make it more neutral, paticularly the 1918-1922 period. Not necessarilty make it 100% Lithuanian point of view, bus could you see what things are missing there ? Thanks, Lysy 20:06, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Did some will do some more later maybe DeirYassin 21:33, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Many thanks, hopefully after some time we'll be able to make this article neutral, yet informative. I think it's really difficult to find any not biased information on history fo Vilnius, most of the publications will present either Polish or Lithuanian point of view. Hopefully we'll be able to present both here. When you have some time, maybe you could also start the articles on Dzukija and Taryba - just few words explaining what it is for start. I don't have enough information to do it myself. Lysy 14:06, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Created article on Dzūkija. Taryba is a generic Lithuanian word meaning "council", nothing more. I seen it is incorrectly used to describe something somewhere in Wikipedia, but I didn't understood from the context what - Great Seimas of Vilnius maybe? Or maybe some thing where Taryba is one of the words in Lithuanian but some more words should be added to really mean something (e.g. "Aukščiausioji taryba", "Tautybių taryba" for example were different parliament houses in Soviet union).DeirYassin 19:00, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"Taryba" is (incorrectly?) used in History_of_Vilnius article in the sentence: "Taryba proclaimed The Restoration of Independence of Lithuania in Vilnius on February 16, 1918". What should be used there instead in this context ? Lysy 20:51, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It was called "Lietuvos taryba", which probably should be translated "Council of Lithuania", as it is a generic name.DeirYassin 21:09, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

Sveiki. Visai įdomus pokalbis dėl tų apskričių. Tiesą sakant aš nelabai mėgstu ginčų dėl ginčų, nebent juokais. Nenorėjau Jūsų užgaut su tuo pasakymu dėl to, jog keičiant tai, kas jau parašyta, straipsnių apimtis nedidėja. Tas yra tiesa. Paskui pažiūrėjau kai kuriuos Jūsų taisymus, ir supratau, kad ši pastaba tikrai jums netiktų. Galėčiau parašyti keletą savo pastebėjimų dėl darbo wikipedi'joje ir naudos, kurią jis duoda arba neduoda. Bet Jūs pats parašykite į mano User talk: LinasLit, ar tas dalykas Jums priimtinas. Suprantu, kad galėjau įžeisti Jus dar ir dėl kitko, bet tam paaiškint reikėtų ilgesnio parašymo. Šiaip džiaugiuosi, kad pagaliau atsirado žmogus, mokantis gerai anglų kalbą ir norintis šį tą nuveikti. user: LinasLit

[edit] Radio mast articles

I am contacting you because you have contributed to the VfD discussion on radio mast articles. I just wanted to let you know that a proposal has been put forth at Wikipedia:Deletion policy/Masts to address these articles en masse. Your comments are welcome. --TenOfAllTrades (talk/contrib) 04:35, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Maps

Hi there! I'm glad you liked the maps I made and I'm really happy that you have some comments. The problem is that I didn't really get it. Which regions are missing, to which map and where should they be? Also, what claims are you talking about? I'd be happy to correct them, but basic diffs and links are essential... Halibutt 05:59, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, I saw the difference. The reason why I reverted back is that you simply used different styles and included the claims, which is usually not done, at least not in Europe. I've already prepared a map with all claims Poland had on its neighbours and vice-versa and it uses the same consistent naming scheme: I simply decided to use only the official state names used in the inter-war period. Otherwise, I'd have to put four names for the city of Wilno, three names for Cieszyn, three names for Suwałki and so on. Anyway, the Lithuanian part of the claims was based on this map published by the official lietuva.lt portal.

As to the borders of the baltics - I'd be happy to fix them, but I need a decent map as a backup. The map you posted a link to has the borders somewhat crooked and definitely oversimplified (just take a look at the Polish-German border in East Prussia). Could you post a link to a more detailed map? Halibutt 10:50, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll fix Estonia as soon as I have time. As to Latvia, I'd have to find some better map and that would take time.

As to the claims - perhaps in Lithuania these areas were marked as disputed (which would be somehow understandable, especially that most of the Lithuanian national ethos in the 1920's and 1930's was based on opposition to Poland (all those non-existent administrative areas, claims on Wilno and so on, propaganda and art...). However, I have yet to see some other map published outside of Lithuania that would have them listed as "Lithuanian territory under Polish occupation". As a matter of fact my map series is based on three different maps from the epoch: one British map from 1928, one Polish from 1938 and one German from 1938. I used the latter for the borders of Lithuania and one can hardly say that the Germans supported Poland back then.

Of course, there are other instances of such claims marked on maps, but these are hardly ever placed on really useful maps I like the most, that is on road atlases, tour guide maps and so on. And all of the maps I used were road atlases.

As to the map - I'm not sure what it depicts either, but I took it from official Lithuanian government site and took it for real. Also, was Breslauja really disputed by Lithuania in 20th century? It is currently in Ukraine and was lost by Lithuania in 17th century, so such a claim would be quite a nonsense... or perhaps it's some other place? Other than that, I'll simply combine the two maps: the one you prepared and the one posted by the Lithuanian government on that site (quite a decent site, BTW; certainly anti-Polish and one-sided, but much less than several wikipedians around here ;). So far the map of the claims in Central and Eastern Europe is not finished yet and (excluding your input) looks like this. If you want to prepare a map of your own based on the map I created - feel free to do so, though it would be much better if we kept all the maps in one style. Just let me know and I could send you the actual map (not just one layer of it) in GIMP multi-layer format. It's much easier to work with, though it's quite big.

Halibutt 13:09, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

Anyway, I prepared yet another version - this time with towns marked. I think it could be a decent map for all the articles on non-existent areas you created recently. Halibutt 22:47, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

And what areas of Lithuania were occupied and by whom? Seriously, the "Polish occupation" is a topic quite common to Lithuania, but barely any other state used the term (I can think of no other state in Europe that would support the idea except for the Belarussian government in exile. Even the Soviet Union recognised the Polish borders (until it declared all pacts with Poland null and void in 1939). So, let's drop the distinction, ok? From the perspective of the international law, these were all Lithuanian claims and should be portrayed as such. The same goes for the plethora of articles you created recently. Halibutt 23:10, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

As you probably noticed, I created yet another map for the Central Lithuania article, with the borders of that state marked. Soon I will add the line of the areas promised to Lithuania by the Bolsheviks on July 12, I hope that will make that map more plausible and useful. Also, is the "Vilnius Region" equal to the area promised to Lithuania by the Bolsheviks or was the area greater than that? Finally, how is Vilnius region related to the Eastern Lithuanian Country created after Lithuania annexed those territories in 1939? Halibutt 13:07, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The word "Gunmen"

See Talk:Lithuanian Gunmen Union

[edit] kova su slaviškais niekšais

Sveikas! Parašiau savo komentarą. Bet reikia daugiau žmonių. Straipsnis labai geras ir reikalingas, kaip ir Eastern Vilnius region. Kova su slavais čia vyks pastoviai - tam reikia nusiteikti. Aš dabar grumiuosi Indo-European languages -> pasižiūrėk Talk ir History of the article. Gal paremtum?

• Reikėtų suderinti veiksmus, kai atblokuos užblokuotus straipsnius (Lithuania, Vilnius, Lithuanians, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Partitions of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Confederation) ir elgtis labai protingai.
• Planuoju pradėti kurti straipsnius Tuteishians ir Lithuanian Partisan War. Gal prisidėtum?

Sėkmės! Zivinbudas

[edit] Ethnic composition

Thanks for your input in the article I'm preparing, it's highly appreciated. However, I must note that I didn't get your comment in the edit history. Also, the percentages you gave for the 2001 census are slightly different from the percentages given by the sources quoted in that article. Where does this difference come from? Finally, do you have the exact numbers for the region? Ćurrently they are missing... Halibutt 14:44, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Union of Kedainiai

I cleansed, clarified and expanded your article on Union of Kedainiai. Since the matter is somehow complex and even controversial, I added a separate tab on controversy. You might want to revise it. Halibutt 15:34, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Straipsniai puikūs

Sveikas! Atsiprašau už vėlyvą atsakymą. Pasižiūrėk, kas darosi Talk: Indo-European languages - visiški Vakarų kretinai (gal slavai?).

Tavo sukurti straipsniai excellent. Reikia bet kokia kaina išsaugoti. Prisidėsiu kiek galėsiu. Žinai, man kilo mintis, kad gal reikėtų duoti nuorodas latvių ir estų del...se (žinai apie ką šneku) su instrukcijomis (nes tik atėjusiam neaišku, ką reikia daryti), tik jokiu būdu ne rusiškuose variantuose.

Pasižiūrėk, ką išdarinėja lenkeliai Vilnius University, mano Alma Mater (Istorijos fakultetas).

Tiek šiam kartui. Sėkmės! Zivinbudas 05:50, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sandomierz and other similar issues

Hi there,

I noticed both your comment in the edit history of the article on Sandomierz and then the related comment on Zinvibudas' RfC list. In the earlier you wrote that you added Lithuanian name according to common history arguement under which most Lithuanian cities had Polish names added, as well because name is not just translitteration). While this would be true for several towns in modern Poland, the case of Sandomierz is a tad different from the case of modern Kaunas or any other place in Lithuania.

The reason why so many Lithuanian towns have their Polish name written in brackets is not because ethnic Poles lived there, but because Polish-speaking people used to lived there. I hope you will not get offended (no offence intended, really), when I mention that the Lithuanian national revival did not start until 19th century. Before that, the Lithuanian educated classes and burghers (be it Lithuanians of Lithuanian, Polish, Ruthenian or any other origin) were speaking mostly Ruthenian and then Polish. Regardless of the reasons for their eventual polonisation, they indeed got polonised. The same applied to many other nations in the PLC, so there's nothing to be ashamed of.

Anyway, because the educated class of Lithuania was polonised for quite a time, and because the foreigners' views on the Grand Duchy were almost always connected to their views on the Crown, the Polish names for those places are commonly used in all sorts of historical sources and contexts. We agreed a long time ago to add relevant names (in other language, that is) wherever there is a chance that a wikipedia user might find it useful. I initially didn't like that policy (especially that I saw it as aimed at my country), but when I thought of it for a longer time, I realized it's really useful.

Just imagine: as a Pole, I hate seing German names of Polish towns. My views on Polish-German history and on the German language will always be somehow marked by the suffering of my family during the WWII. However, wikipedia is not about my sentiment and it was decided to put German names to many articles on Polish cities, including the towns that were part of Germany only during WWI and WWII and never had any German minority. However, to the westerners (that is to the World, since this encyclopedia is used not only by the Brits and Yanks) many of these places are still known under their German names. Notice the example of Gdynia: the city was built by Poland after WWI, with hardly any Germans there and definitely almost no German history. However, during WWII it was annexed by Germany and was an important naval base of the Kriegsmarine. Because of that, it is known under its German name to a number of history buffs all around the world. Although I don't like it, I admit that letting them know that the city they know as Gottenhafen they heard of is indeed Gdynia they never heard of is a good idea. IMO the same problem there is with Lithuania.

Contrary to what Zivinbudas would most probably say, it's not a Polish conspiracy, or a sign of Polish nationalism. It's simply a common policy to let others know. In the case of Sandomierz, I seriously doubt that it was ever known under its Lithuanian name outside of modern Lithuania. ---

On a completely different matter: could you please invite Zivinbudas to the Talk:Vilnius University? He's been ignoring it and reverting for a while. I was very patient (even when he called me a Slavic pig or suggested that I should be sent to gas chamber), but I get an impression that his behaviour is not getting any better. If you don't want him to get permanently banned (and there are really a lot of people who now started to support a range block on him), you should really try to force him to come to terms with the community. His refusal to cooperate is against the very spirit of wikipedia... Regards, Halibutt 14:41, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

P.S. I really enjoy your articles. Some of them are 100% POVed and indeed need some NPOV and grammar checking, but the effort you put in them is impressive. Good going!

Hello there!

In my talk page you wrote that you did not see usage of Polish names for Lithuanian cities outside of Polish sources. The problem here is that Polish sources are Lithuanian sources. Just take a look at any 18th century map of the Grand Duchy: it would be either in Latin or in Polish, as Lithuanian language was not spoken widely back then. It's not me or my pro-Polish bias, but simply lack of historical texts in Lithuanian. Also, you might try some 19th century texts on Lithuania by foreign authors: in 99% of cases they use either Polish or Russian names, with some instances of German (Wilna). Lithuanian names appear very, very rarely. I do not say that this is right or wrong, but this is how it was.

Of course, modern Lithuanian maps use Lithuanian names, but take note that it wasn't so in the past. If you found a 19th or 18th century map of Lithuania, and had no idea whatsoever what does it depict, you'd most surely search for the name you have on the map. That's why Polish names are quite important. And this applies to most maps since the creation of Radziwiłł's atlas (the first map of the entire GDL, financed by Mikołaj Krzysztof Radziwiłł) until 20th century. And such naming of places on maps had nothing to do with actual ethnic composition of said areas, whether the inhabitants of "Niesviesch" were Polish, Lithuanian, Jewish, Ruthenian or Martian. Halibutt 18:07, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats

I see Occupied territories of Baltic States survived the vote for deletion. I hope you have no hard feelings against me for adding that vfd. I simply thought that the article raised some important issues and the wider Wikipedia community should take a look at it. The article still should be moved to a more appropriate name, as even those who voted for keeping the article agreed.

On another note, I started to work on a new article about the Molotov Line. There is an article on Polish Wikipedia about it and I will try to translate some of it. A few of the fortifications of this line are in Poland, but many more must be in Lithuania, judging from this map. I would be glad if you could contribute some information about the Lithuanian part of this fortification to the article. Especially external links to pages with photo galleries would be nice, if you can find some. Balcer 15:01, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I will add the remaining regions. The Russian name of each UR should be also be mentioned, as that is how these are referred to in most English language historical works that I have seen. Balcer 15:50, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kova su beždžionėmis tęsiasi

Sveikas! Matei, kiek slavų supuolė? Ačiū už paramą! Man iš jų tik juokas ima - ateisiu kitu vardu, jei reikės. Jau ir taip nemažai padaryta - širšėlynas gerai įbaidytas, nepalygint kaip buvo prieš tai.

Noriu atkreipti tavo dėmesį į keletą momentų:

• Tu visą laiką jiems sakai, kad lietuviai Lietuvos rytuose buvo sulenkinti. Tai klaida. Lietuviai buvo sulenkėję beveik išimtinai Lietuvos miestuose - Vilniuje, Kaune, Šiauliuose, Panevėžyje, Marijampolėje ir t.t. (XIX a. antroje pusėje - XX a. pradžioje). Laisvoje Lietuvoje beveik visi jie grįžo prie protėvių kalbos - todėl mes ir turime lietuvių miestiečių sluoksnį (skirtingai, negu teigia mano negerbiamas Bumblauskas). Lietuvos rytuose dalis kaimiečių tapo tuteišais (kalbančiais prasta kalba). Tik dalis jų pradėjo kalbėti lenkiškai (jeigu tai galima pavadinti lenkų kalba) lenkų okupacijos (1920 - 1939) metu, o daugiausia po karo (stalininė polonizacija ir vėliau).
• Pietinė Sūduva nebuvo tik pretenzija. 1920 m. siena ėjo iki Štabino - buvusios sienos tarp LDK ir Lenkijos (tiksliau, 1569 m. lenkų neteisėtai okupuotos Palenkės), visa kita Sūduva visada priklausė Lietuvai. Taigi, pretenzija galime laikyti tik Augustavą, nors aš taip nemanau. Etninė Lietuva yra buvusios Vilniaus ir Trakų vaivadijos, Žemaičių seniūnija, šiaurinė Palenkės vaivadijos dalis (iki Nauros upės) (pagal 1566 m. administracinį Lietuvos suskirstymą) ir Mažoji Lietuva.

Sėkmės kovojant su slavų beždžionėmis! Zivinbudas 18:24, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dėl pervertimų ir tuteišų

Dėl pervertimų. Aš taip darau specialiai, nes jie perverčia mano pataisymus be jokių skrupulų. Dėl Lithuania straipsnio, tai ten įvyko nesusipratimas, kai perverčiau tavo redagavimus dėl savivaldybių. Kai atblokuos, reikės pataisyti tekstą be pervertimo.

• Tuteišus geriausia vadinti Simple language-speaking Lithuanians , nes iki pat lenkų okupacijos (1920 - 1939) jų tautinė savimonė (su retomis išimtimis) buvo lietuviška. Lenkų šovinistai tik stengėsi juos padaryti "lenkais" nuo XX a. pradžios (tai atsispindi jų sufalsifikuotuose 1909 ir 1916 m. "surašymuose"). Tuteišai buvo padaryti "lenkais" tik okupacijos metu - taip užrašyti lenkų valdininkų. Tik dalis jų pradėjo kalbėti "lenkiškai" daugiausia po karo (Šalčininkų rajonas dabar daugiausia rusakalbis (sparčiai atlietuvėja)).

Sėkmės! Zivinbudas 06:18, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Apskritys

Hello! You changed the counties of Lithuania to apskritys. We're having a discussion about changing that to something non-Lithuanians can understand at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Subnational entities/Naming. Please give us your opinion. Markussep 21:03, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reikia tavo palaikymo

Sveikas! Reikia tavo palaikymo Talk:Confederation. Aš visą laiką ten įrašydavau Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, o lenkeliai visą laiką perversdavo ir pagaliau "apsaugojo" (aišku, savo versiją). Dabar, pagaliau, jų (?) administratorius kreipėsi išsakyti savo nuomones dėl to. Aš parašiau savo komentarą. Gal gali prisidėti? Grand Duchy of Lithuania padariau keletą korekcijų - pataisiau, matyt, tavo pateiktą 70% į 90 - 95% (atsimeni pokalbį dėl to Talk:Lithuania?), taip pat kitus dalykus. Pasižiūrėk. Po to ten pradėjo siautėti tas priekvailis fanatikas Hello-but - matyt, ten budi dieną ir naktį. Sėkmės! Zivinbudas 14:36, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Tam lenkeliui Hallo-but'ui, matyt, aptemę smegenys - Talk:Confederation jis peza, kad Prūsija buvo Abiejų Tautų Respublikos dalis (!). Mačiau tą svaigčiojimą Koenigsberg skyriuje, dabar matau, kad tai, matyt, šio prieglušio darbas - atrodo lenkeliai labai netvirtai jaučiasi užgrobtose žemėse (stogai važiuoja). Zivinbudas 15:05, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Aktualijos

Sveikas! Ačiū už palaikymą Talk:Confederation. Geriau būtų, kad, kai atblokuos, tu pirmas įvestum Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, taip, kaip tau atrodo geriau. Aš po to prisijungsiu. Noriu atkreipti tavo dėmesį į keletą momentų:

• Tarp Prūsijos vasaliteto ir Kuršo protektorato yra didžiulis skirtumas. Jeigu Kuršą beveik galėtume laikyti ATR dalimi, tai Prūsijos jokiu būdu. Tas nesąmonių rašinėjimas yra įbaugintų lenkelių bandymas "pateisinti" neteisėtus užgrobimus po II Pas. karo.
• Po 1938 m. ultimatumo nebuvo jokio de facto sostinės ir Lietuvos rytų okupacijos pripažinimo. Buvo prievartiniu būdu tik užmegzti diplomatiniai santykiai, daugiau nieko. Lenkai norėjo ultimatume pateikti reikalavimą atsisakyti okupacijos nepripažinimo, bet Vakarų šalys juos privertė sušvelninti reikalavimus ir apsiriboti diplomatinių santykių užmezgimo reikalavimu. Po ultimatumo viskas liko taip pat - įrašas 1938 m. Konstitucijoje, administracinė linija - "šiaudinių gairių siena", okupacijos minėjimas spaudoje, literatūroje ir vadovėliuose. Lenkai diplomatiniu spaudimu tik privertė uždaryti Vilniui Vaduoti Sąjunga (VVS) ir žurnalą "Mūsų Vilnius", kaip kurstančius karą.
• Po 1791 m. gegužės 3 d. konstitucijos konfederacija nebuvo panaikinta, ko labai siekė lenkai. Priešingai, ji buvo dar labiau išplėsta - lietuviai pasiekė to, kam lenkai visada įnirtingai priešinosi - bendrame seime LDK gavo 50% vietų (žiūr. Abiejų Tautų garantinio Akto tekstą Talk:Partitions of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth). Tačiau net ir šie Ketverių metų seimo (1788 - 1792) nutarimai buvo panaikinti Gardino seimo 1793 m. pradžioje ir grąžinta ankstesnė padėtis.

Sėkmės! Zivinbudas 08:49, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] www.istorija.net

Sveikas dar kartą! www.istorija.net yra neblogi žemėlapiai apie kalbinę kaitą Lietuvos rytuose - pasižiūrėk gerai ir rasi. Ar negalėtum jų perkelti į visus aktualius Talk'us ? Zivinbudas 09:36, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Žinai, o gal nereikia. Ten neteisingai įvardinta "baltarusių kalba", kas yra visiška netiesa - turi būti paprasta kalba (lietuvių - gudų - lenkų - rusų kalbų mišinys). Zivinbudas 10:02, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] More on name localization

Hi, Since the Starkov(s) dispute seem to be resolved, I decided to reply at your talk page to keep Talk:Baltic Russians devoted to issues related to the article rather than turning it into a general discussion. This already happened to a degree and Mikkalai opposed my attempt to remove newsgroup-style arguing. You wrote:

This issue is harder than it seems though; even if, for example, e.g. everybody when gets Latvian citizenship would automatically get Latvianised names in passport, it would be very hard to say who of them wants this and who of them wouldn't. E.g. in Lithuania there is free choice, and quite many has Lituanized names or even Lithuanian given name and Lituanised Russian surname (those are usually from mixed families, or from families where e.g. just one grandfather was Russian). This is case with Maris Verpakovskis too; and if we would apply Russianising of names everywhere where the info is related to Russians, it would be wrong for these people who are from mixed families or who decided to localize their names. Also, similar situation exists for example in Central Asia and Caucassus where people's names were ussianised by adding "ov" or "ev" to endings of surnames once; some also might say that it is involuntary, etc. and promote usage of for example Islam Karim instead of Islam Karimov, Nursultan Nazarbay instead of Nursultan Nazarbayev, Aslan Maskhad instead of Aslan Maskhadov, etc. but the nagain, many people feels ok with these surnames actually and maybe wouldn't like themselves to see them changed. So it is quite a hard issue, therefore I think oddicial name should be used. As for localization like Yelena - Helen and localisation in Baltic States, there is difference: in Baltics usually just ending is added "as"/"is" in Lithuanian, "s" in Latvian, while name is left unchanged (e.g. Ivan (John) is Jonas in Lithuanian, but Ivans with localized names are known as "Ivanas"). DeirYassin 09:33, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

You are right that there is no way to know what the person would have liked if given a choice and we need a consistent rule in WP, rather than re-argue this issue each time for each person and for each article. However, if the uniform consensus on a single name to use everywhere is impossible to achieve, we can at least achieve a consensus on a flexible rule, which is context dependent, similar to Gdansk/Danzig rule. In such case, the Russian name should be shown (possibly together with the latvianized name) in the articles, such as Baltic Russians, as it is now. Your analogy with Asian and Caucasian names is an interesting one, but there is some historical differences that should be remembered. Many of the southern nations did not have last names at the time when Russian Empire was conducting the censuses and people where being assigned names, of course russified. Also, it matters somewhat how much time passed since the names where applied, even if forced. Hundreds of years and a decade or so makes some difference. Finally, please accept my compliments on the constructiveness of you edits. The dialog, mainly between you and Fisenko at this and couple of other talk pages is very constructive and differences seem to be resolved or being resolved amiably. Regards, Irpen 20:29, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pirma pergalė

Žinai, mes pasiekėme pirmą didelę pergalę Confederation. Va taip reikia judėti, kai atblokuos kitus straipsnius. Rezultatas kaip ant delno. Sėkmės! Zivinbudas 10:50, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dėl pavadinimų ir kt.

Sveikas!

• Įvedžiau lietuviškus pavadinimus Podlasie - Palenkė, Podlaskie - Palenkės vaivadija, Pomerania - Pamarė, Gdansk - Dancigas , Gdanskas , Goldap - Geldapė. Taip pat į Pomerania straipsnį įrašiau skyrių Baltic Pomerania. Lenkelis "administratorius" Witkacy viską pervertinėjo, kol pasibaigė jo 3RR. Retkarčiais žvilgtelk ten, jei galėsi. Pasižiūrėk, kaip padarė lenkeliai su Warszawa kitais pavadinimais - other names, reikia tą patį padaryti Vilnius, kai atblokuos.
• Pasižiūrėk, kiek prišūdino tas priekvailis Hallo-but Balts straipsnyje. Net nenoriu to šlamšto taisyti.

Sėkmės! Zivinbudas 09:29, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User:Zivinbudas

I've now officially requested an Arbitration against Zivinbudas. As one of the people who were involved in previous attempts at compromise with him, you might be interested in the case. Also, feel free to list yourself as one of the parties involved here.Halibutt 04:16, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. However, I'm afraid you're wrong in most cases. Though I agree that the number of insults has dropped recently, it's still far from the desired level of zero. Also, he still fails to provide evidence when asked (see Wikipedia:Cite sources on how to do it) and the edit histories contain barely any information (see his recent revert wars: [2], [3], [4], [5]. IMO he had a month to learn how Wikipedia works, yet he learnt nothing. Too bad. As you probably know, I have nothing against Lithuanian view on history and I very much appreciate the cooperation with you, Dirgela or both Linas'. I also appreciate your attempt at compromise at Talk:Confederation and I fully support it. Also, I believe that the more Lithuanians join the English wiki the better. That's why I did not report him to the admins despite his behaviour and despite his Nazi comments. However, I've had enough. People simply loose too much nerves and time because of his wars and because of his POV-pushing. And it is not the question of an alleged Polish-Lithuanian conflict; the RfC on him was started after his conflict with a number of users from other places in the world.

Also, I seriously doubt he studies history; I've been told that the University of Vilnius is still a decent school, and I doubt people with his views got them from their professors. Historians usually know how to quote sources, while he clearly does not. Halibutt 06:03, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

I thought I'll drop you a note saying that you might want to convince Z. to cooperate with the ArbCom if he does not want to be permanently banned and all his contributions reverted. However, now that he's accused me of being a Nazi and put some words in my mouth I never said, I'm not so sure anything can be done. He's crossed the line and I have no intention of defending him any more. He had a chance, yet he wasted it. Halibutt 11:40, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lenkeliai kvailioja

Sveikas! Lenkeliams jau stogai pradėjo važiuoti. Nedaug tereikia. Pažiūrėk Talk:Germany. Man tiesiog juokas ima iš to priekvailio Hello-but!

• Aš turiu istoriko diplomą (Vilniaus Universitetes, Istorijos fakultetas (Diplominis darbas "Lietuvių Bajorų Draugija 1928 - 1940)).

Sėkmės! Zivinbudas 11:58, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Template

Sorry I overreacted. Halibutt 15:34, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration Committee case opening

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Zivinbudas has been accepted and is now open. Please bring evidence to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Zivinbudas/Evidence. Thank you. -- sannse (talk) 10:03, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Was your comment What happened on Panevežys is not vandalising directed at me, or Witkacy? If you will read User talk:Witkacy#"Vandalism", you will see that I have already made that exact point, to Witkacy.

Having said that, Zivinbudas has no place whatsoever on Wikipedia. He is simply unable to control his desire to engage in revert wars, no matter what the cost to everyone else. As far as I am concerned, a permament block is in order.

Any suggestions he has for content changes he can send to you, and you can add them. End of story. Noel (talk) 20:29, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

PS: I just wanted to make plain (in case it was not already clear) that just because I have blocked Zivinbudas, that does not mean that I support the Polish nationalists here either. I came down on Zivinbudas hard because he absolutely refused to follow our rules, and because of his incessant nationalism. Trust me, I'll do the same to other people too, on the other side. As you know, we are having trouble at the moment with Halibutt and Witkacy, and if they don't wise up and calm down, they could wind up blocked too. Noel (talk) 18:04, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia policy on surveys

Please, before you start with setting up the vote, please read carefully Wikipedia:Survey guidelines. This particular point is important:

Consensus must be reached about the nature of the survey before it starts. Allow about a week for this process. You will need to resolve the following issues:

   * What questions should be asked?
   * What will the possible answers be?
   * Where a question has three or more possible answers, are people allowed to select more than one answer?
   * When is the deadline?
   * How will the survey be totalled?
   * Will there be a summary of arguments, or a series of mini-essays, or some other way to inform users prior to the survey.

In short, you were a bit hasty. You cannot just define the vote choices by yourself. These must be reached by concensus also. Balcer 22:43, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Probably only a handful of people read the Talk:Goldap page regularly, if ever. Just because your proposal has received few replies there does not mean a concensus has been reached. Why don't we start over? Put your proposals from Talk:Goldap on some more frequented page, say Talk:Lithuania or Talk:Poland. Then allow about a week for people to think about the issue and express their opinions. Then maybe there will be a decision to have a vote. Balcer 22:51, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I counted only four people participating in the revert cycle on Goldap in the past month. Hence probably only four people with interest in the issue read the Talk:Goldap page. In short, that talk page is not a good place to propose a survey on such a wide ranging issue.

By the way, a separate page to discuss the issue is fine, just keep in mind that it is not a formal vote yet. If we have one, it will have to be carefully set up and then prominently announced on all the relevant and important pages. Finally, enough people need to express an interest in holding such a vote at all. Right now, I see only three people showing any interest. Balcer 23:16, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cities naming

DeirYassin, I know that cities naming troubles you but I'd recommend to wait a bit and maybe come back to this discussion after a month or so. Zivinbudas has done a very bad job by antagonizing or at least annoying people and it's better to let the things cool off a bit. Then I believe we'd all come to a reasonable conclusion but now it's really more difficult with Zivinbudas baiting around. Maybe not only Polish/Lithuanian but a broader convention on the names would be useful so that this discussion has not to be repeated for each pair of nationalities in turn. Lysy 23:22, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No, Deir, nothing to worry about. The Talk:Gdansk voting was specifically about Polish-German history. Halibutt 16:38, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wegorzewo

How many Lietuvninks lived in Wegorzewo? And pls dont remove Polish names in Lithuanian towns articles.--Witkacy 09:41, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The town was indeed populated by Masurians and Germans, but i never heard about Lithuanian inhabitants. Could you pls provide a source and the number of them?--Witkacy 11:53, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Silute was for centuries part of the Polish fief - quasi Poland.--Witkacy 12:52, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Žalgiris and Lietuvos Rytas

Hi DeirYassin, please see Talk:BC Žalgiris on reasoning to rename it from "Kauno Žalgiris". It really goes with wikipedia naming conventions to call it "BC Žalgiris" (and same for Lietuvos Rytas). Thanks, Dryazan 13:02, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Communist Eastern Europe

You may want to edit Template:Communist Eastern Europe to add relevant article about history of Baltic Republics under communist rule. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 13:18, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Macedonians vs. Macedonian Slavs

Dear DeirYassin, at the moment there is a poll taking place on the Macedonian Slavs talk page to which you could make a significant contribution. Thank you in advance for your participation. Ivica83 13:24, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lithuanian temporary government

I'm confused: did the Lithuanian temporary government agree or not for the Germans to enter the country in 1941 ? And when exactly did Germans enter ? --Lysy (talk) 4 July 2005 11:20 (UTC)

The article on the history of the 1941 independence period is now at Lithuanian 1941 independence. I updated all the places that referred to the old name to refer to this one instead. I also deleted the redirect left behind (at June independence) as it was a redirect from a general concept to a specific one. I'll add a redirect at 1941 indepenence of Lithuania to aid in searching, links, etc. Noel (talk) 06:14, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration case - final decision

A decision has been reached in the arbitration case relating to Zivinbudas. He has been banned from Wikipedia for one year. Please see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Zivinbudas#Final decision for further details and the full decision. -- sannse (talk) 15:49, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Parama

As labai jau nemegstu veltis i gincus ir cat fights, ypac apie POV ir neisprendziamus tautinius nesutarimus. Bet siaip manau kad lenkai jau visai isnaglejo. Tiesa, ju daugiau ir jie aktyvesni. Zodziu, as siulau savo balsa visokiuose balsavimuose ir gincuose. Tik mestelk zinute i talk page. Bet siaip i visa velniava nesivelsiu: neturiu nei laiko, nei noro, nei jegu. Renata3 04:23, 12 August 2005 (UTC) Ir PS - saunu, kad laikai fronta ir rasai apie Lietuva. Labai reikia. As pati mielai prisideciau, tik kad esu jav ir jokios lietuviskos literaturos neturiu... Jei kartais kokio vertimo reiktu - kreipkis. Padesiu kaip galesiu. Renata3 04:26, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Polish Constitution of May 3, 1791

A featured article on Polish portal. And totally ignoring that it also was Lithuanian constitution. Could you (having sources) add Lithuania there?

More I look, more I see a total bias in Lithuanian articles toward Poland... Baisu! Renata3 12:48, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh and Lithuanian portal might be a good idea. We need to gather people. Renata3 12:52, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

I think that first we should add a request on its talk page to move it (so that nobody could say we started a war). But now which name we would prefer? Polish-Lithuanian Constitution of May 3, 1791 or simply May 3, 1791 Constitution? Second way could be based on that in both Polish and Lithuanian it is known simply as May 3rd constitution. What do you think? Renata3 18:36, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sveikas!

Prisimink LBD (1928 - 1940). Mūsų jėga vienybėje! Turime mesti jėgas ir išvalyti reprezentacinius LT straipsnius. Esu istorikas pagal išsilavinimą, esu verslininkas (visai neturiu laiko). Jeigu reikės šaltinių ar šiaip konsultacijų, visada kreipkis. Pritariu tavo idėjai kurti lietuvių svetainę čia - galėsime visi pasitarti. Bf-109 10:11, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sveikas dar kartą!

Reikia man sulaukti jos atsakymo. Tada žinosiu, kas ir kaip. Mano nuomonė, kad mes nuo tos lenkų konstitucijos, įtakotos egzekucininkų, turime laikytis kuo toliau. Gerai, kad dabar jau būsime trise, gal dar atsiras kas "šviesesnis"? Klausyk, darbo labai daug. Aš manau, kad pirmiausia turime išvalyti reprezentacinius straipsnius. Aš nesu kol kas stiprus kompe - nebuvo kada mokytis. Kiek suprantu, pats esi šioje srityje stiprus. Aš jaučiuosi stiprus istorijoje - tai mano universitetinė specialybė. Manau, kad turime suvienyti ir sujungti jėgas. Aš manyčiau, kad tavo idėja sukurti Lietuvių svetainę yra prioritetinė - galėsime apsitarti visais klausimais.

Lithuania straipsnyje, manau, pirmiausia reikia sutvarkyti:

  1) Valstybės kūrimo pradžia 12 a.;
  2) Valstybė sukurta ir valdoma lietuvių;
  3) Ji jungė dabartinių Gudijos, Ukrainos, Rusijos ir Lenkijos žemes;
  4) Abiejų Tautų Respublika gyvavo iki 1795 m., ne iki 1791 m. (absoliutus lenkų melas);
  5) 1795 m. buvo padalinta ATR, ne "Lenkija".

Tikiuosi tavo palaikymo! Bf-109 13:48, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kaip uždėti tą ženklą?

Tas fanatikas uždėjo ženklą ant Lithuania straipsnio. Kaip uždėti tokius ženklus ant Vilnius ir kitų jų sufalsifikuotų straipsnių? Bf-109 14:01, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dėl panaikinimo

Žinai, manau, kad reikia inicijuoti balsavimą dėl Central Lithuania panaikinimo kaip heavy Polish POV. Aš nežinau visų tų procedūrų. Ką pats manai? Bf-109 21:06, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia_talk:Wikiportal/Lithuania

Just started the page. Move discussions there. Renata3 22:24, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

P.S. you are an increadibly patient person :) Respect, man :D Renata3 05:22, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Tavo idejos - super. As ir pati panasias turiu. Siaip redaguoti yra labai paprasta - spaudi "Edit" ir rasai kaip iprasta straipsni. Tik pakeitimai ne taip greitai pasirodo (Wiki serveriai lag'a turi), tad nepanikuok, jei kas nepasirodys. As turbut ryt tuo uzsiimsiu - i paskaitas nereik. Ka siulai i featured article? O i featured picture?

Beje, radau aukso lobi internete - www.balticdata.info - didziuliai zemelapiai, straipsniai, ir tt. Neblogas saltinis Renata3 04:18, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Disricts and distric municipalities

Na atrodo sian iki portalo nesugebesiu nueiti... Bet tu man dabar paaiskink ar yra koks nors esminis skirtumas tarp district ir district municipality? Ar jie abu nusipelno savo puslapio, ar vienas turetu but redirect? Jei redirect, tai kuris? Renata3 19:57, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

P.S. kad portala pakeistum reikia spausti ne Edit virsuj puslapio, o kur lenteles viduj toks maziukas Edit linkas idetas.

Aciu uz paaiskinimus ir pataisymus del district. Ir kodel viskas taip komplikuota turi but? :) Tada dar vienas klausimas: siaip nemanau, kad galima sakyti kad Panevezio district center city yra Panevezys, nes Panevezys districtui net nepriklauso! Va prie Klaipedos rajono sav. irasyta Gargzdai. Ta tai as suprantu. Bet kaip su Kaunu, Vilnium, ir tt? Renata3 20:52, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] municipalities

Sorry, I didn't mean to redo my change twice. I just thought it hadn't gone through (I get a lot of server errors from wikipedia), and didn't realize you had reverted it. As the missing info is added, it can be uncommented from the table. I didn't remove any of the content. -- Reinyday, 17:49, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Municipalities map

Lab, as manau kad tas konturinis zemelapis kur naudoji municipalities parodyti (pvz, Radviliskis.pgn) ner labai tikslus. Be to ta linija per Baltarusija ir Lenkija tik klaidina. Siulau naudoti Image:Municipalities_in_Lithuania.png. As paruosiu kontura. ok? Renata3 04:03, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Check this one: Image:Radviliskis_district_location.png. Spalvos tinka? Nenorejau naudot raudonos, nes man ji kazkaip per daug sovietmeciu atsiduoda :) Siaip as dar galvojau kad county butu galima kita spalva irgi isskirti, bet tada jau per daug neaiskus zemelapis pasidaro, kurio vienintelis tikslas - aiskumas. Jei tinka tai as tada visas kitas prispalvinsiu. Renata3 12:50, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Templates

Koks template buvo panaudotas Mažeikiai district municipality? Niekaip negaliu atrast... Renata3 17:36, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Na kur sone infobox'as idetas... Capital, cities, mayor, etc... Is kur sita lenteles forma gavai? Pvz., Neman River lentele gaunasi idejus koda {{river}}. Kaip Mazeikiu lentele gauti?

Beje visi savivaldybiu zemelapiai sukrauti i Wiki ir navigaciojos delei sudeti i User:Renata3/gallery. Tavo sukurtus 6 zemelapius irasiau i WP:IfD kaip nenaudojamus.

Prasom pareiksti nuomone apie Mazeikiu lentele User:Renata3/elderates. Pagrindiniai pakeitimai: Angliskas pavadinimas su lietuvisku vertimu, spalva parinkta pagal zemelapi :), ideta valstybe (gal ir be reikalo), county ir etnografiniai regionai, taip pat ir number of elderates. Isemiau skilti apie telefonu kodus, nes be paaiskinimu labai jau nenaudingas. Nuemiau linka nuo coat of arms - manau dabar yra per daug tiketis parasyti straipsni apie kiekviena herba. Juk galima paprasciausiai ideti i straipsni kaip "Atributika." Taip pat nuemiau nuoradas i "Municipalities by population" ir pan. - manau uztenka vieno saraso. Pabaigai idejau pacio rajono zemelapi. Jo nera, bet labai reiktu surasti. Tik visa beda tie copyrightai. Tai ka ponas manot :) ?

Del lenteliu straipsniu pabaigoj kaip pas rusus - bus :) Renata3 21:47, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Del lenteliu papunkciui:

1. Lietuviskas pavadinimas mano nuomone yra labai klaidus. Kai parasai, kad va cia lietuviskai, o va cia zemaitiskas, viskas daug aiskiau pasidaro. Tavo variante zemaitiskas net nebuvo ivardintas tai is vis buvo neaisku prie ko jis ten.

2. Valstybe isemiau

3. Etnografiniai regijonai yra labai tiksliai nustatyti seimo. Internete visas gigantiskas zemelapis yra, tad galima ir palikti. Siaip as ji ten idejau, kad paaiskinciau zemaitiska rasysena. Sutinku kad ji reiketu kazkur perkelti, bet kur? Po pavadinimu pasidaro neaisku kas jis per vienas ir ka ten veikia. Beje, jei paliekam zemaitiska rasysena, tai ponas turesi idet zeimaitiskus rasmenis visur kitur, nes as apie tarmes nei bum bum neismanau.

4. As vis dar manau, kad herbu aprasymai turetu buti paciame straipsnyje iki jie isaugs iki tokio dydzio, kad nusipelnys savo atskiro straipsnio. Ar iki tol, kol atsiras Wiki lietuviskos heraldikos fanas. Ta prasme, as kurdama straipsni tuo paciu ir apie herba ideciau atskira paragrafeli - Heraldika ar Simbolika ar Atributai ar pan.

5. Del zmonius skaiciaus tai std.lt turi duomenis is 2005. Gal jie ir nera patys tiksliausi, bet bent jau nauji - straipsnis atrodo patikimesnis/sviezesnis. Kol kas idejau pastaba apie 2001 surasyma, nes nesugalvoju, kaip graziai metus inkorporuoti. O metu manau labai reikia, nes reikia zioti kokie sviezumo duomenys ir kada juos reiktu atnaujinti.

6. Telefono manau nereikia. Kiek paziurejau kitu valstybiu suskirstyma (Wikipedia:Infobox#Countries) tai niekur telefono nera. Ir siaip nemanau kad kas naudosis Wiki susirast telefono koda.

7. As atnaujinsiu Lits of municipalities, kad butu visi rankings sudeti, tai bus galima ta viena straipsni naudoti. Taip pat atnaujinsiu populiacija, nes ziuri, kad per daug suapvalinau duomenis.

8. Mero partija idejau

9. Nezinau ar savivaldybės tarybos narių skaičius yra labai svarbu/informatyvu. Kazkaip nesinori man jo ten deti.

10. Nesupratau, ka norejai pasakyti apie spalva. Gali paaiskint? Siaip as noriu zalia paversti temine Lietuvos spalva.

11. Kai ziurinejau kitu valstybiu suskirstyma pastebejau, kad daug kas deda ISO kodus (pvz, Västerbotten_County). Manai reiketu? Tik kur juos rasti? Nes ISO duomenu baze kainuoja $200... :)

12. Del vienodu paragrafu visiskai sutinku, tik dar neturejau laiko i juos pasiziuret.

13. Tam paciam puslapi pradejau daryt ir sablona su visom savivaldybem. Kol kas man jis ziauriai nepatinka. Pasistengsiu sugalvot ka nors elegantiskesnio.

Komentarai laukiami :) Kad po to nereiktu visu 60 savivaldybiu perdarinet del kaikokios smulkmenos. Renata3 02:17, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Siandien dar sukuriau lentele Lietuvos didmiesciam (kaimam irgi tiks, tik reiks i location dar idet seniunija ir isimti seniunijas ir neigborhoods [gyvenamieji rajonai] is general info) ir perkuriau county lentele. Ir pataisiau savivaldybiu lentele. Zodziu, papunkciui:

1. Idejau lietuviska pavadima, o ne angliska - ikalbejai :)
2. Padariau skirsnius kaip norejai
3. Idejau telefona (ikalbejai), o prie county - masinu numerius
4. Idejau politikos skirsni (isskyrus i county, nes ten tik vienas governor yra)
5. Idejau zemelapi pabaigoj, bet jis ten tik siaip pasiziuret kaip lentele atrodo. Reiks surasti tikslesni/geresni/naudingesni. Siaip manau jis labai graziai atrodo lenteles pabaigoje. Nesusigrus visi paveiksliukai lenteles pradzioje.
6. Del populiacijos datos - ji butina. Cia is vis statistikos mokslas, kad visur reikia pateikti data besikeiciantiem skaiciam, nes ateini i straipsni ir matai skaiciu ir nezinai ar juo tiket ar ne, nes nezinai datos, saltinio ir tt. Tik dar nezinau kuri imti - 2005 ar 2001. Neapsisprenziau.
7. Del spalvu: remeliai man atrodo gerai. Tik va dabar nezinau ar visur palikti ta pacia zalia, ar deti kokius nors atspalvius. Butu galima, pvz, smulkesnius vienetus dazyti tamsejancia zalia. Ka manai?
8. County netures etnografinio regijono, nes jos daznai per kelis regionus eina, tai tiesiog nevertinga info bus, kad pvz Kauno Apskritis yra Dzukijoje, Aukstaitijoje ir Zemaitijoje.
9. Miestams idejau paminejimo ir Magdeburgo teisiu gavimo datas.
10. Dabar dar belieka seniunijos lentele sukurt :) Renata3 15:55, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Del county lenteles: nieko negaliu padet, virsisninkas apskriciu svetainese isverstas kaip governor, as neketinu su jais kariauti ar kurti dvigubu standartu. Sutinku, kad nera labai teisingas vertimas, bet ka darysi. Masinu numerius isemiau.

Del municipalities: as paliksiu settlements nes miesteli su 1300 gyv man liezuvis neapsivercia vadinti miestu. Be to neatseksi kiekviena karta, ar ten oficialiai kaimas, ar miestelis, ar miestas. Ir tu teisus del council... net nezinau kaip parasiau counsel. Elderates nustumiau po settlements (kad settlements ir capital salia butu).

Del miestu: isemiau politikos skilti. Palikau website, nes ten is tikro apie miesta yra kalbama. Savivaldybe yra: http://www.kaunas.lt/savivalda_/ Isemiau regiona (didmiesciau yra misinys visko), nors manau kaimas/miesteliams - reiks atgal ideti. Juk ten visos tarmes ir issaugotos. Del "Capital of" manau verta palikti istorines Lietuvos sostines. Aisku, kad nevardinsi, kad Kaunas caro laikais buvo Kauno gubernijos sostine. Bet Lietuvos sostine manau yra pakankamai svarbus dalykas ir gali but lenteleje. Idejau nickmane - ner oficialu, bet nieko blogo tas nedaro. Del mikrorajonu tai gali pasiziureti http://www.kaunas.lt/savivalda_/seniunijos/index.shtml . Bet isemiau, turbut per daug bedos su jais bus nei naudos. Tam kartui palikau area ir tankuma. Paziuresiu ka sako std.lt ir kt saltiniai.

Regis teks daryti atskira lentele kaimams :) Pasiziurek spalvu schema. Tinka? Renata3 18:25, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Pagal Lietuva.lt yra 106 miestai ir apie 500 kaimu 500-5000 gyventoju. Cia tas viskas oki, bet va dabar klausimas, jei bus dvi lenteles miestam, tai kaip atskirti kuria lentele kuriam miestui naudoti. Va pvz Rokiskis turi Rokiskio seniunija ir Rokiskio kaimiskaja seniunija. Tai jis turi savo viena seniunija? Ar jis tiesiog yra seniunijoje, kuri pavadinta jo vardu? Cia palygint aiskus atvejis, bet ka su ribiniais daryti? Koks butu universalus ir paprastas kriterijus atskirti, kur naudoti "miesto" ir kur "kaimo" lentele? (ir kodel viskas turi but taip sudetinga? :D) User:Renata3

Oki, atrodo viskas pagaliau daugmaz aisku. Ryt sukursiu lenteles ir bus galima pradet rimta darba. Bet vat ar matei, kad Lithuania ideta i "Open Tasks" sablona? Kazkas demesi atkreipe :) Renata3 12:41, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Nors ir ne "ryt", bet lenteles sukurtos. Miestai turi 3 lenteles - didmiesciai su savo savivaldybem, visi kiti oficialus miestai/miesteliai (~100) su herbais ir kt, ir visi kiti kaimai, kurie savo herbu neturi. Spalvas irgi paderinau, nors miestu spalvos tai zalios nelabai primena :) Kai pargrisi pareiks savo nuomone. Renata3 17:17, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Man tavo perfekcionizmas labiau patinka nei kitu abejingumas :D Kazkaip norisi judet i prieki. Palikau zinutes kitiem su Lietuva susijusiem Wiki zmonem, jie jokiu pastebejimu neturejo, tik kad viskas labai grazu :) Siaip su Knutux ruosiuos prasyti VU Kartografijos centro leidimo naudot zemelapius is balticdata.info manau, nepatingesi ir prisidesi :)

Ir beje, sveikas grizes :P Renata3 00:51, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Vienas dalykelis del templates: neiseina ideti tarmes, tiesiog per daug sudetingas formatavimas gaunasi, nes tos tarmes taigi ne visur bus. Tad manau teks apsiriboti tik paminejimu paciame straipsnyje. Soris :) Renata3 16:31, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kgwinðbunt

Hi, Is this article correctly titled? It has an Icelandic letter in it. -- Curps 23:25, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't think the article is intended as a hoax... it seems to be reporting a mythical figure. The article itself says he didn't exist.

Could a more correct name be Żywinbud or perhaps Gimbut or Ginbut (based on this reference and based on the fact the article says his son was Kukowoyt)? Unfortunately I can't read Polish... I don't suppose you can? -- Curps 08:30, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Emailas Kartografijos centrui

Va sukuriau toki prasymo laiska, ji reiktu nusiust i kartografijos centra ir melsti dievulio :) Siaip ar galetum didziule paslauga - sudeliok lietuviskas raides, nes mano kompe tokiu nera, tai kiekviena karta copy-paste is proto iseit galima. Ir ar turetum kokiu pastabu del turinio/formato/gramatikos/rasybos/kalbos (kaip nepaprastai mano lietuviu aprudijo per metus, neitiketina) ir tt?

Gerbiamas Dr. Pilipaiti,

Pirmiausia, noreciau Jums ir Vilniaus Universiteto Kartografijos centrui padekoti uz labai vertinga ir reikalinga darba kuriant nepaprastai tikslius ir aktualius Lietuvos ir pasaulio zemelapius, kaip, pavyzdziui, zemelapiai saugomi www.balticdata.info duomenu bazeje.

Sie zemelapiai butu tiesiog neikainojami Vikipedijai (angliskai Wikipedia, adresas www.wikipedia.org), laisvajai enciklopedijai. Sis ne komercinis ir ne pelno siekiantis internetinis projektas siekia sukurti laisva ir nemokama enciklopedija ivairiomis kalbomis. Siuo metu projektas yra aktyviai pletojamas apie 100 skirtingu kalbu ir turi apie 1,5 milijono straipsniu (is ju 700.000 yra anglu ir 6.000 lietuviu kalba). Visi straipsniai yra kuriami savanoriu, kurie naugauna jokio atlygio. Deja, informacija apie Lietuva yra labai fragmentiska ir nedetali. Taciau Jusu centro zemelapiai nepaprastai pagelbetu pildant spragas straipsniuose, svieciant pasauli ir skleidziant informacija apie Lietuva ivairiomis pasaulio kalbomis. Tad gerbdama Jusu centro sunku darba ir autorines teises, Vikipedijos bendruomenes vardu maloniai prasau leidimo naudoti zemelapius rastus www.balticdata.info ivairiems Vikipedijos projektams.

Zemelapiai butu naudojami pagal GNU Free Documentation License (arba tiesiog GFDL). Sios licenzijos pagrindiniai bruozai:

1. Vilniaus Universiteto Kartografijos centras leidzia visiems asmenims (ne tik Wikipedia redaguotojam) laisvai naudoti, platinti ir keisti siuos zemelapius tol kol sie asmenys nereiskia pretenziju i autorines teises ir leidzia kitiem laisvai naudoti siuos zemelapius.

2. Vilniaus Universiteto Kartografijos centras issaugo zemelapiu autorines teises net jeigu zemelapiai yra pakeisti neatpazistamai. Taciau centras yra neatsakingas uz jokius pakeitimus.

Pilna oficialu GFDL teksta anglu kalba galima rasti internete adresu http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html. Vikipedija naudoja sia licenzija, nes ji leidzia sukurti laisva ir nemokama enciklopedija ir tuo paciu ivardinti ir atsidekoti straipsniu bei iliustraciju autoriams.

Jei Jus manote, kad si licenzija Jums yra nepriimtina, mes visada yra atviri pasiulymam ir kompromisams.

Aciu uz Jusu laika ir demesi ir nekantraudama lauksiu Jusu atsakymo.

Nuosirdziai,

[Vardas pavarde]

Vikipedia bendruomenes nare

Renata3 17:46, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Labai dekui uz paukstelius ir taskelius :) Tave irasiau (varda is email paemiau). Dabar bandau suagituoti kitus, yra apie 16 parasu. Del lenteliu tai aciu uz klaidu pataisymus, ko tai labai neatidziai rasinejau. Ir ner uz ka :) Zemelapiai bus kiek veliau. Gal is Kartografijos centro ;) Del Kaliningrado - man kazkodel visa Mazoji Lietuva yra viena didele paslaptis. Bet pasistengsiu uzmesti aki. Renata3 03:49, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Jei atsimeni kazkada rasei, kad prie lenteliu reiktu priderinti standartini turini apskriciu ir savivaldybiu straipsniam. Tai vat tavo teismui pateikiu toki plana (skliausteliuose tik orientacinis turinys - viskas priklausys nuo rastos info; taciau sunumeruota - visur):

1. History (kaip vietoves; kaip administracinio vieneto; herbas)
2. Geography (vieta Lietuvoje; su kuo ribojasi; naturalus istekliai/iskasenos; gamtine aplinka - vandenys, miskai, kalvos/lygumos, etc.; saugomos teritorijos - parkai, draustiniai, etc.)
3. Politics (taryba; bendradarbiavimas; vaidmuo lt gyvenime)
4. Economics (infrastruktura; pramone; zemes ukis; smulkus verslai; BVP, nedarbas ir kt rodikliai)
5. Demographics (lytis, amzius, skaicius; tautybes; religijos; kaimai ir gyvenvietes)
6. Culture (paveldas; lankytinos vietos; zymus asmenys; kulturines institucijos)
7. Elderates (tiesiog isvardinti)
8. Links

Renata3 04:41, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Please take part in the improval of this article

Hello. I would like to inform you that there is an ongoing discussion at article Territorial claims of the Baltic States (formerly was known as "Lost territories of the Baltic States", but was recently renamed; some users seems to disagree with that renaming). Recent edits as well were accused of POV, and, in fact, article was disputed for a long time already. I noticed your previous contributions to that article when it was disputed, therefore I think your opinion is much needed now as well. It would be nice if you would add that article to your watchlist and continue helping to improve it until a decition will be reached about its future (there is currently a poll about it in the article's talk page). I hope together we all will be able to make that article neutral. Kaiser 747 10:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Taigi - musu "politika"

Sveiki! Gal galėtumėt paremti mano pradėtą darbą dėl Rolando Pakso. Nesinori čia pilietinių karų, bet paskutinėmis dienomis kažkoks veikėjas neįmanomai suįžūlėjo. Sakysim, tegul būna apie V. Landsbergį 'national leader', 'great thinker and intellectual' irtt., bet rašyti visiškas nesąmones turėtų būti gėda. Netgi kažkokia pareiga reikalautų apribojus aną kovotoją su Lenkais kažkiek apriboti ir kitus tokio pobūdžio veikėjus. - Beje, aš pats irgi nelabai veikliai dalyvauju Wikipedijoje, pasitraukęs maždaug tuopat metu. Linas Lituanus 16:31, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dykra

I notice you created the Dykra page. Is this a real name for a region? Isn't "dykra" just a word meaning "wasteland"? Do you have any source (in any language) that uses this name or has equivalents in other languages.

I'm just curious -- thanks.

LuiKhuntek 00:51, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Klaipėda Revolt

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[edit] Move

Siulau kelti lenta i panasia vieta kaip kad Wikipedia:Argentina-related regional notice board ar Wikipedia:Irish Wikipedians' notice board. Nes baltic states portalas neegzistuoja, o lenta gali buti ir savarankiskas darinys. Ps. Lysy changed his username to Lysy. Renata 02:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I am sick these days. I have flu or some other nasty stuff. So don't panic if you won't see me around ;) Renata 00:01, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and aciu for the barnstar! It is very cute. Do you image, a special new barnstar was ccreated just for me ;) And I think you deserve it just as much as I do. You wrote far more articles. I just made a load of minor edits :) Renata 00:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greetings!

Hello, DeirYassin! I just noticed you are back after a lengthy absence. It's good to see you contributing again, even if your available time is less than before. Happy editing! Olessi 08:18, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Labas

Jėgu, Jus galetu man parašyti email, bučiau dekingas. Dr. Dan 04:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please revise your POV pushing ways

If you "have left Wikipedia for unspecified ammount of time", as you claim on your user page, what do you do here, POV pushing and revert warring as always? Please learn to use talk pages at last. You have been a long time around but we've yet to see any meaningful contribution from you. Take care, Ghirla | talk 15:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

"we've yet to see any meaningful contribution from you" - that's like the funniest thing I have hear around in a long time. I personally think that DeirYassin contributed more to WP than myself. Yes, he likes controversial topics, but that's not a sin in itself. Renata 15:36, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Agree with Renata. I presonally really miss your contributions :( --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 03:10, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mažvydas

Why would you remove Mažvydas ( who lived and taught in Vilnius) from the list of Famous ilnians, but leave Mickiewicz or Domeyko ? Runkelis 14:21, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

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