Talk:Def Leppard
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[edit] confused (feedback)
Love bites was # 1,pour some sugar was #2. I have checked multiple charts on the internet that lsit #1 hits and also, a couple newspaper articles state that love bites was thier first (and only) #1 hit. I hope this clears some confusion.
--Activision45 02:44, 6 August 2006 (UTC)Activision45
[edit] guns'n'roses
Guns N' Roses wasn't really a 80's band. 20% of 80's years isn't comparable to a 80's band
TECHNICALLY INACCURATE. GUNS N' ROSES WAS FORMED IN 1985, MAKING THEIR 1980's TENURE HALF OF THAT DECADE.
[edit] Clunky
To original author(s): the contents box is entirely too damn big and clunky and lessens the impact of the opening paragraphs. Let's either cut down the number of sub-headings or fix the contents box or I'm going to. I love the article but the contents box is a fucking eyesore, so fix it please--Kwan-Trill 21:04, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] innacuracy
an innacuracy in the article:
rick allen replaced frank noon- not tony kenning. it was frank noon that replaced tony kenning. (tony kenning-frank noon-rick allen)
i fixed the innaccuracy. i'm adding my signature. Gringo300 16:22, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
I am finally glad somebody else caught the mistake!
[edit] confused
I'm confused about the chart positions for Def Leppard and the confusion comes from an issue of Metal Edge, the leading hard rock magazine. I have a 1992 issue and in the Mail Bag section, a fan had written in to ask about the chart positions for the Def Leppard. Geri Miller, the editor for this magazine. Geri Miller was responsible for everything printed in this magazine and was the editor-in-chief in 1992. She provided the following information:
Love Bites #2 Pour some sugar on me #1 Hysteria as #3 Armageddon It #5.
I believe this information to be accurate. Can you please provide concrete evidence that Love Bites was #1. I'm not upset. Just confused.
I'm sorry for the errors- but I believe my information to be correct as this comes from the #1 hard rock magazine.
Check here. All of Def Leppard's singles' chart positions are listed ("Love Bites" #1, "Pour Some Sugar on Me" #2, "Armageddon It" #3, and "Hysteria" #10). They can also easily be verified by searching Billboard Magazine's web site. Confusion often results from reading different charts, but the correct overall pop chart is known as the Hot 100 chart (or the Pop Singles chart before 1983), but the abovementioned positions ("Love Bites" #2, "Pour Some Sugar on Me" #1, "Hysteria" #3, and "Armageddon It" #5) do not seem to match up with any chart. Hopefully this documentation will clear up the obvious confusion. DarkShattenjager 22:43, 16 March 2007 (UTC)DarkShattenjager
[edit] classification
The band's classification as a cross between classic rock, glam rock and heavy metal is questionable - given the band's influences and the commonly associated bands with a similar sound, hard rock would probably be closer to the band's sound than classic rock. -- Phantompong
The above classification is a simple idea of the band based on the influences they have shown when they have played. That is why it is that way.
[edit] Photos
We could use more photos, the one we have is a very early one, a selection showing the band as they evolved over the years would be good --Djbrianuk 09:45, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Done. -- Phantompong
[edit] Photos restored, logo added
I've added the photos back in after they were removed by an anon IP, but moved them to the history section they're approximately from. Also added the Def Leppard Logo at the top. Djbrianuk 22:58, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Album sales figures
Any sources? The official site states Hysteria selling 16 million copies worldwide. --Lumijaguaari 08:58, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
Check the Recording Industry Artists of America's searchable database of gold and platinum certifications. Note that these sales figures are the official figures for the United States, but the United States only. I do not know of an organization that provides such information for the rest of the world, other than there being some particular to their own countries, but there could be one somewhere. Also bear in mind that the RIAA awards certifications upon record labels' requests, so it is possible (ask The Fixx or John Denver) for an album, in actuality, to have sold significantly more copies than they are certified for having sold. Def Leppard's have gotten certifications recently enough that it does not seem likely that their sales are being ignored, but it is possible. Nielsen SoundScan is also a reliable source (and well-regarded by those in the industry, as evidenced by its use for the Billboard charts), but at least I do not believe it provides information to those outside of the industry.
[edit] Mailing List Links
Why do we have to keep changing the external links on the mailing lists? LepNet was around first. DefSolNet was formed afterwards for people that were sick of LepNet. Couldn't we have external links for both? --LanceManion1973
- From one of the Many FAQ sites
Approximate worldwide sales figures (not checked with official numbers): On Through The Night: 1 million High 'N' Dry: 2 million Pyromania: 10 million Hysteria: 16 million Adrenalize: 7 million Retro Active: 1.7 million Vault - Greatest Hits: 6 million Slang: 2 million Euphoria: 1.2 million X: 200,000+
Nick
[edit] Discography?
The article really needs a discography section, it would be exceptionally kind for someone to do it. Thanks - Patman2648 05:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] lou gramm live guest appearance with def leppard?
i've been told that in 1992, right after vivian campbell joined def leppard, former foreigner singer lou gramm made a guest appearance with them on stage. this seems logical because vivian campbell played with lou gramm both on a lou gramm solo album and in the band shadow king, before he joined def leppard. however, i've been unable to find any documentaion of this alleged event. does anyone on here by any chance know anything about this? Gringo300 18:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Motley Crue
Def Leppard paving the way for Bon Jovi , Poison and Motley Crue is true. and for Poison and Bon Jovi. Motley Crue were not a pop metal band and their sound didn't change with every album.
[edit] Influences
David Bowie? Really?--71.56.145.54 08:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] re: chart positions, Guns N Roses, David Bowie
Chart positions: Billboard magazine is the oldest and most widely accepted source of chart positions for albums and singles, and I believe that is what was used for the singles rankings in the article. Of course, it's debateable just how accurately their charts measure popularity (in fact, Billboard has tweaked their formula in recent years to address this point), but they are as close to an official source as you're going to find.
GNR: Their greatest success came in the late 80s with Appetite for Destruction, which puts them (fairly or not) into the late 80s hair metal craze. Yeah, they managed some success in the early 90s with the Use Your Illusion albums, but by that time grunge/alternative rock had already taken over and they were definitely relics of a bygone era. And let's admit it -- Use Your Illusion I & II were 75% filler. You could take Lies, UYI I & II, and the Spaghetti Incident and come up with maybe 12 memorable songs, which still wouldn't be as good as the 12 on Appetite.
David Bowie: They've said as much in some interviews, and they covered a Mick Ronson (Bowie's former guitarist) song, "Only After Dark", which can be found on their Retroactive album.
[edit] British band = British English
A number of words like army, company, crowd, fleet, government, majority, mess, number, pack, and party may refer either to a single entity or the members of the set that compose it. Thus, as H. W. Fowler describes, in British English they are "treated as singular or plural at discretion"; Fowler notes noted that occasionally a "delicate distinction" is made possible by discretionary plurals: "The Cabinet is divided is better, because in the order of thought a whole must precede division; and The Cabinet are agreed is better, because it takes two or more to agree."[4] Also in British English, names of towns and countries take plural verbs when they refer to sports teams but singular verbs when they refer to the actual place: England are playing Germany tonight refers to a football game, but England is the most populous country of the United Kingdom refers to the country. In North American English, such words are invariably treated as singular.
[edit] Line-ups.
The line-ups have been taken away repeatedly. The line-ups help Def Leppard viewers show who was in the band at what time. I was a Def Leppard roadie briefly in the late 1980's and continue to try to preserve the truth as much as possible. Where as I agree unneeded items should not be put on the page, the line-ups hardly take any room and are vital to Def Leppard's past and present. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.88.207.195 (talk) 02:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC).
- The member history is available is a simple neat list. Someone who hasn't got 2 clues about Wikipedia editing policy/guidelines keeps adding a cluttered up ugly table that simply duplicates the information already avaiable in the article. Not only that it violates WP:MoS and contains either duplicate/repeat links(on Wikipedia a word need only be linked once in an article) Bad enough the links are dupes but, in some cases, the twit keeps switching the proper links IE 'bass guitar' for the dab link 'bass' which could be any number of things...including a fish. Some people shouldn't be allowed to edit until they've read all of Wikipedia's Policies/Guidelines...especially the clutter makers 216.21.150.44 02:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
'Dshizt'
There is an authorized user who edited the Def Leppard section incorrectly. I believe that this user should be blocked from editing, especially because he has done things like that before to such sections as "Santa" and "Jesus".
[edit] [Warchild Bootleg]
On Tony Kenning's biography page, it states a reference to a bootleg called "Warchild". This should be placed on the discography section, because "First Strike" is on there, and it was also a bootleg.
