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[edit] number of episodes

why should it not be added? The Naruto page, as well as the One Piece page have them, so why shouldnt death note? Quatreryukami 20:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe the reason Naruto and One Piece have the current episode tally displayed is because not only are the manga series on which they are based still running, no information has been provided from official sources concerning the expected number of episodes. Death Note, on the other hand, is based on a finished manga series, and a figure has been provided concerning how many episodes are planned. While I can't say this answer is definitive, it seems logical enough, ne? ^.^ Lithiumflower 20:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Exactly. When a series has a finite and announced number of episodes, it makes more sense to only list that number, instead of the current tally. When a series doesn't have a limited number of episodes planned (i.e. a definite ending in sight), it makes more sense to update the total as episodes are aired, so that it reflects the maximum number of episodes that are guaranteed to exist. Make sense, Quatreryukami? (Also, please sign your talk posts with four ~ symbols, not plain text. It helps keep the exact times straight, because time zones differ and all, plus it gives a link to your Userpage automatically, and it's less keystrokes. Thanks!) Nique talk 20:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. And i do use the ~ symbols, its kinda wierd.... Quatreryukami 16:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm all for keeping the episode list at 37 until there's verifiable information that the planned number has been changed from thirty-seven to "open-ended/TBA/TBD", "forty-two", etc. Jaguara 20:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
On the Japanese interwiki site for the anime, it confirms that the TV series will end in June 2007. I am not sure of it, but we will see.... Sjones23 01:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested semi-protection

I noticed that the blanking/nonsense/removing parts of an article anons show up in rapid cycles. I've requested semi-protection to keep them off when the tide comes in again. Jaguara 05:13, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Requested semi-protection again, third time I think (lather, rinse, repeat). Registered users have joined the anonymice. Great joy. - Jaguara 23:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Third time? My God, why does Death Note get so much vandalism? I mean, seriously, not even The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya got anything close to this one, and it's popularity was/is cult-like. Do a lot of people just hate DN or something?
I counted the number of reverts from the last 50 edits; there have been 12 over the past 5 days. While this is more elevated that regular articles that barely get any vadalism at all (Such as The Melancholy) it's no where near as bad as Star was two weeks ago when there were 23 of the last 50 edits over a seven day period were from vandals. So perhaps this article just has to stay protected for an indefinate period of time?--十八 00:30, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
The "Near is hott!" type nonsense-editing makes me think the majority of the vandals are random DN fanits rather than DN bashers. I could be off the mark though. -ハグアラ 00:44, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
But then wouldn't a fan of DN want the DN page to look good? It seems odd to me that fans of the work would vandalize the article on it, but with comments like those, you may be right.--十八 00:51, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A suggestion

I thought that it would be better if the List of Death Note manga page was renamed to a more descriptive such as: List of Death Note manga volumes, List of Death Note manga tankōbon, or List of Death Note manga chapters . Another suggestion is to make a List of Death Note media page which could include the DVD, movie Theme songs, Movie Cast, and Anime theme songs sections from the main Death note page. (Duane543 02:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC))

List of Death Note manga is a separate article, go ahead and pop the question on the Talk page there. I'm not real bugged by the name since it's a WP article in list format, i.e. List of Famous Short Men. Jaguara 23:33, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anime staff members

On the Anime News Network's website for the Death Note anime, the staff members for that particular adaptation could be there. I know all the staff members' names for that particular anime adaptation. The staff credits are also featured in the Japanese Interwiki site for the anime as well. --Sjones23 22:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

We don't really need comprehensive lists of staff members on Wikipedia, and they don't really belong here anyway. Yes, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and should be comprehensive, Wikipedia should be interesting, and staff lists are not. Nique talk 02:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I know staff lists aren't interesting to you, Nique. Like you said, we "don't really need comprehensive lists of staff members at Wikipedia." Staff members are an essential part of an anime, but unfortunately, we don't necessarily need a staff list for that particular anime adaptation in the article like you said, which could be important, but not interesting. Thanks for the help! ^^ --Sjones23 20:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
It's not just 'to me', staff lists are not interesting, and are not necessary. Staff lists are available in numerous other places which are made to have staff lists, including places like AnimeNewsNetwork as well as the credits in the series itself, and again, Wikipedia should be interesting to read, as well as worth reading about encyclopedically. Wikipedia is also not an indiscriminate collection of information. Just because information exists, does not mean it's suitable for posting to a relevant Wikipedia article. You may want to brush up on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines before doing much more editing in the style in which you have been recently. Nique talk 22:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Sjones23, I'd guess there's a number of other people besides myself who like staff lists. Maybe create a separate article? P.S. Nique, will you please look at your text? You're coming off as deflecting any additions or input because they're "not interesting" to you or otherwise don't meet your approval by weaseling it in "Wikipedia this" and "Wikipedia that". Nobody owns this article. Jaguara 23:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
So you'd prefer that I make unfounded comments based solely on my own opinions without citing policies, guidelines, and essays on Wikipedia to support my position on why they should/should not be included? *Confused* I'm not doing it with a vendetta against staff lists, because they do have a place, but that place is not here, as per the links I put in my last reply and the explanations therein. Nique talk 23:50, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
After all, according to the the policies of WP:NOR, WP:Trivia and the policies that Nique described, this staff list for most of the anime could be considered trivial (without additional context, as stated on my talk page) and not necessarily needed. I will do my best at using Wikipedia's policies and guidelines as a Wikipedian. I am so deepfully sorry about all of this. Truly, I am. Jaguara, let me remind you to please try to understand and try to use the Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, okay? Thanks again for the advice earlier, Nique, and I must also agree with the WP:OURS policy by Jaguara. And you know, Jaguara, you and I both like staff lists and I must also agree with your comment that there are "a number of other people besides myself who like staff lists". --Sjones23 00:08, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Not just this staff list, for the record: all comprehensive staff lists. List the very most main, most essential people in the article where appropriate (i.e. creator, producer, director, and a couple of other choice positions depending on the medium of the title (manga, anime, video game) ), and leave the rest for other sites/sources, is the point I'm trying to get across. Nique talk 01:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, after all, like you said, I should put in all of the "really important" staff members to any appropriate section in an anime article. That is a great idea, Nique, and Thanks! --Sjones23 21:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, as what TKD pointed out to me on my talk page, "production staff lists aren't necessarily needed to list within the article outright, as a full list, without additional context or commentary, probably constitutes trivia." I do not mean any offense, but I feel that adding staff lists are necessary for anime, manga or game articles and so forth, because as what Ganryuu pointed out to me, I, Ganryuu or Nihonjoe, a Wikipedia administrator and a good friend of Ganryuu, usually take them from the Japanese interwiki websites and on most of the articles that I, Ganryuu or Nihonjoe create or expand, but as what Ganryuu pointed out to me on my talk page, "unnecessarily highlighting it will lessen the overall article's feel". I am well aware of the guidelines. I usually intend to go by what Ganryuu has said. Other than that, I should list the most essential and most important staff members (i.e. creator, director, producer, production companies, script writer, character designer and a couple of other choice positions depending on the medium of the article (manga, anime, video game, etc., etc., etc.)) in the article and it can be easily fitted into the article where necessary, as per Nique's comments, on both here and on the AfD discussion for List of RahXephon staff. Again, thanks for the help! --Sjones23 14:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Character names

I changed Shidoh's and Jastin's names to Sidoh and Justin, as is romanized in Volume 8. I also changed the spelling on Matsuda's given name from Tota to Touta. Shido/Shidou looks better to me -- heh, Sid would look better to me since I saw Sid Vicious' name rendered in katakana as シド (Shido if I read the chart right, I don't know much about Japanese). There's a large contingent who prefers using Raito instead of Light. I'm on a tangent here so I'll get back on topic.

Since this is the English-language Wikipedia, I feel that using Tetsuichiro Miyaki's romanizations in the English translation is more accurate (going by "the book", so to speak). - Jaguara-ハグアラ 19:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

If we're going with Viz's translations, why not change it back to Gelus as well? And Ray instead of Raye? The creator's intentions are clearly stated in HTR, and the names you've changed today are not so dissimilar that people will not know who you're talking about, but we should follow HTR as it is the most accurate and recent original source of information regarding character names. Nique talk 19:34, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
This looks like a good time to get other editors' and readers' input on the name spellings so as to reach a consensus to avoid potentially wanky and boring edit wars. Translitering from languages that don't use Latin alphabet and have different phonologies isn't an exact science, especially when multiple translators are working. It brings on the fun of Weyawega, Quillsh Wammy, the jewel skeleton's Mardi Gras Indian style name and more-- and countless ways to spell khaffiyah. Going by my ears, Jealous makes more sense per Tsugumi Ohba's romanization. Perhaps Viz didn't see 13 before the earlier volumes were translated, printed and distributed. I believe in multiple verifiable sources rather than going solely by v.13 on an article as big as this one. I'm gonna patch together a list of various items like character name romanization, number of anime episodes, whatever else I can think of. Nique and anyone else, do you have any other ideas for a list of items that should be reviewed that you can throw in? - Jaguara 21:26, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
We have established this consensus a while back, and have decided to use How to Read 13 as our guide for names. If you'd like to restablish a consensus, I still say we go with How to Read 13, because it is the official "guide book" for the series and since it does use the Latin alphabet.SuperDT 00:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. How To Read 13 lists the names in roman letters, exactly as they were originally intended by the creators to look in roman letters, so it's more accurate than a translation. It should be used as the official source for all the information contained within, where the clear facts (such as a previous discussion about Misa's clothing style pointed out) do not conflict with it. Nique talk 02:19, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

So far we got

  1. Volume 13: How to Read as sole romanization source
    1. Nique, SuperDT
  2. Multiple sources preferred
    1. Jaguara

I'm gonna give it until March 29, 00:13 UTC to see if anyone else raises a hand either way or has something to add. No one else says anything, it'll stand with the majority (now I've got that Meat Loaf song stuck in my head!). That's plenty of time on an article as active as this one. Plus the timestamp on SuperDT's comment is coincidentally appropriate. -- Jaguara 19:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh! I'm all for keeping the episode list at 37 until there's verifiable information that the planned number has been changed from thirty-seven to "open-ended/TBA/TBD", "forty-two", etc. - The jaguar lost track, sorry 20:04, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

...Episode count has nothing to do with this discussion. Perhaps move that up to the discussion about episode numbers? Nique talk 20:09, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Good point. I'll move it on up or over. Jaguara 20:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Main page getting cluttered?

Recently it seems the main death note page is getting severely stuffed with information. it seems information on the movies and anime could possiblely get there own pages. Hinro 12:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC) 25-03-07 8:30 am

The Media section isn't too bad, and this article is only 34KB in length. IMO, I don't think a split is right for right now. You could still go ahead and create Death Note (anime) and Death Note (film) if you wanted to though. :/--十八 12:51, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, please don't do that. The anime is following the manga WAY too closely to deserve its own page, and the differences in the movie are generally plot-related and covered in the Plot and Characters pages. It's better to keep it on the one page, especially since the article is still under the suggested maximum article length. Even if it went above the suggested max. article length, I'd recommend that we keep it all on the one page. There isn't enough in the way of major differences or information to warrant creating two stubs just to clear up a couple of KB on the main page. Nique talk 17:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Good point, Nique. I've also noticed on the Japanese interwiki page that the Death Note page has 2 separate articles, Death Note (anime) and Death Note (film), as well. Just a heads up. Sjones23 19:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I have also noticed that a separate section for List of Death Note characters is included. I know why. It is because the main page was cluttered with that information about the characters. Sjones23 23:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
That page has existed for a long time. I just removed some of the characters from this page, and moved the pertinent information to that page from those removed characters, because the Characters section on this page was too long, considering that we do have the characters page. Nique talk 02:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I get it now that the characters section was too long and that is why the main page got cluttered. Sjones23 23:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
...No, that wasn't the reasoning given by the creator of this discussion at all. Please read others' talk page entries carefully, they make more sense that way. Nique talk 23:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Oops, I didn't realize that I could read (edit)others' talk page, because it "makes more sense this way" and actually I didn't know that info, according to your statement, wasn't the reasoning. My fault ^^. Sjones23 19:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
(Not talk pages, talk page entries, replies on these pages.) Nique talk 21:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
(Apologies and thanks once again. (edit: did not realize about the info you sent me Nique)) Sjones23 21:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shenyang incident

Interesting! However, I would directly cite Chinese newspapers such as People's Daily.--JSH-alive talk to mesee my worksmail to me 07:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I found the bunch of news about Death Note from China. Click here. You can cite if you can speak Chinese.--JSH-alive talk to mesee my worksmail to me 08:30, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

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