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Lost numbers?

Can someone explain what these "lost numbers" are? I did a quick search and nothing obvious came up. Statuess 16:13, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

They are the numbers from the ABC Show Lost 67.182.4.124

Just curious, but what does this have to do with Death Note, or the Death Note article?SuperDT 02:22, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Jealous vs. Gelus

This is starting to become an edit war, so let's try and solve it: is the shinigami's OFFICIAL name Gelus, or Jealous? I recall it being Gelus, and so does www.deathgod.org, but I could be wrong. SuperDT 02:22, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'm not wrong. The name given to him by Viz Media and the creators of Death Note is "Gelus," pronounced like "jealous." It says so on page 41 in Volume 4, when Rem recalls how she found out how to kill a shinigami. So please, no more changing Gelus' name to Jealous, because it's getting really annoying, and it's quite inaccurate to do so. SuperDT 03:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
You may not be wrong, but neither is "Gelus" correct. I'm looking through the Japanese version of volume 4. Viz just used a romanization of the katakana characters for "Jealous." Viz has been known to make errors like that before. For the official spelling in English see page 47 in Death Note: How to Read 13 (released Oct 13, 2006). Also, at the time of the release of Viz's version of volume 4, there was no official spelling of Jealous. Now there is in the How to Read 13. So, please leave the spelling as Jealous. [page 47: http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/5435/jealousprofilehx8.jpg]
"Jealous" is the first thing that would strike me as correct also, because a lot of the names in Death Note is named after words, like Light. If it is "Jealous" in the most recent release of Death Note, my biased inclination is to agree with "Jealous". --Wirbelwind 03:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Since it is the most recent spelling of his name, let's just leave it as Jealous. Hooray for Engrish! SuperDT 04:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, I think we should keep Shidoh as, well, Shidoh, instead of Shidō, as that's how it's spelled in volume 13. Chibi Gohan 16:01, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Huh, I overlooked that... Yeah let's keep it Shidoh. Any other name changes that should be noted? SuperDT 05:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
So Shidoh and Jealous. Mello is still Mello, and not Mellow? I would have assumed, with Light, Jealous, etc, that it'd be Mellow. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 07:38, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, there's been no confirmation that Mello should be Mellow, and I believe Mello is used in all translations, including the official translation by Viz, so unlike most names based on English words, it should probably stay Mello. I could be wrong, I haven't read the official translation, but I think if it were different, it'd have been changed already. Nique1287 12:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Note that VIZ screwed up and called Shidoh, "Sidoh." According to Wikipedia's rules, do we go with the English translated name or the author's prefered name? I would assume it's the latter, since Jealous isn't called Gelus here, but I just wanted to check.

Chibi Gohan 03:08, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Whatever How to Read 13 says, is what we go with. SuperDT 03:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

That's good news (although the only little problem with that is that Kal Snydar's name is spelled Kal Snyder in volume 13, despite being displayed in roman letters in the manga >_> Small mistake I suppose). Chibi Gohan 03:24, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Could just be a old-fashioned typo? The creators of Death Note are Japanese after all, and for them to do so much without a whole lot of Engrish is pretty good. Black Cat Volume 2 was almost unreadable for me because of all the Engrish it had! SuperDT 03:58, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I thought it might just be a typo, but then there's another name in there that contradicts the manga: it says "George Psyruthe" or something like that when in the manga he's called "George Sairus" (it says his name, in English, on a computer screen). So perhaps the names were romanized by someone other than Ohba? Usually manga guide books are written by editors instead of the authors of the manga. Chibi Gohan 00:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Rules of the Death Note and Shinigami vs God of Death

Okay, so I noticed today that someone (no account) added a TON of rules to the 'Written Rules' section of this article. I've cleaned up some of the spelling/grammar issues they have, but will take no other action for now. My point is, there's already an article for the Rules, and most of the rules added by this unregistered user aren't listed in the Written Rules on that page. In fact, as someone who knows the series relatively well, many of the rules added by this person are only stated in the narrative of the series as side comments by the gods of death or things that the characters find out on their own. I'm thinking we should probably either A) remove these 'new' rules and crop the section on this page down to the Written Rules listed on the Rules of the Death Note article, or B) remove all but a basic explanation of the Rules on this page to save space and just have the link to the Rules page. My vote is for B, because this article's getting kind of long as-is, but any other thoughts?

Also, there seems to be a slight switching back-and-forth between the use of Shinigami and God of Death in the article, mostly between everything outside the Rules section, and everything within it. Can we decide on one method to use to refer to them, so that there's no further confusion? Shinigami is more appropriate in its own way because it's the original Japanese word for the concept/beings, but God of Death is what's almost always used as the translation, and some fans are only familiar with this term, though it feels kind of clumsy in use to me. Another option is Reapers, which I've seen used in this fandom, and which is somewhat closer to the concept of Shinigami as personified in Death Note. Any other thoughts on this?Nique1287 15:24, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

If you have time, see if those rules are valid. If they are, see which ones are not on the Rules of the Death Note article, and put them in where they're suppose to go; and remove every single one except for the ones that Ryuk specifically wrote in his Death Note.
Shinigami vs. gods of Death... Good question. In my opinion, Shinigami is a more casual term for gods of Death, and reapers is just plain fancruft. I'd stick with Shinigami and put a note that they're also called 'gods of Death. SuperDT 17:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
What is it in the official English manga? From what I understand, shinigami in Bleach was called soul reapers in the American version because death god is controversial. So it's my guess to say that official English version uses reapers, meaning it's not fancruft. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 19:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
In the official English manga, they mostly say Shinigami, but god of death gets mentioned a couple times. Never in the official English manga have I heard the term "reapers."SuperDT 22:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
After reading through the article, it seems that whoever did it simply copied ALL the rules from Volume 1 and pasted them into this article. Cropped it back down to the list it was before. Nique1287 21:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Isn't there a God of Death in Death Note, as well as shinigami? Ryuk had to have gambled with someone 'higher up' for his second notebook, right? 130.95.106.154 02:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
The manga-ka used "Death God" in the rules of the Death Note. (Note: There were actual English translations of the rules included with the japanese volumes) Perhaps we should adhere to what the manga-ka uses then? Chuayw2000 15:30, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

In response to 130.95.106.154. Yeah, I completely overlooked him. He really isn't THE god of death, just a higher up Shinigami. He also told Shidoh to go find his Notebook. I may be really wrong, but I believe his name is Justin? SuperDT 02:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Raye Penber

There seems to be some confusion as to the correct spelling of the FBI agent's name in the anime. I believe it was given as 'Raye Penber' in the manga, and it should be the same in the anime. Here's a screenshot from episode 4 where Raye shows Light his FBI ID, where the English handwriting is badly done, turning his name into 'Ral Penlar' or whatever you'd like to interpret the scribbles to be. Let's stick with Raye Penber, not Penbar or the like. -Atashi 07:27, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Hold on, there. Let's check with someone who has How to Read 13, which is the most recent official spelling, and should thus be followed. SuperDT 18:26, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I've asked in a community I'm part of, where a lot of the members ordered How To Read 13. When two people have confirmed the spelling in How To Read 13, I'll post it here so there's no more fuss. Nique1287 19:28, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
UPDATE - I've had confirmation that it is, in fact, spelled Raye Penber in How To Read 13. I guess it's written as 'Ray Penbar' in the anime because they didn't double-check with the manga-ka before scribbling it out. Anyway, I'm about to go through and edit all instances of it (again) to the proper spelling. Also, to the person who's been editing it back to "Penbar", when I changed the spellings I did it so that there'd be consistency across all the articles that mention him, and you left one out. Consistency is the key to non-confusion for the readers. Nique1287 20:43, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Heck, we wouldn't even need to see volume 13 to confirm his name. In the actual manga, when he shows Light his ID, Light thinks, "Raye=Penber..." with レイ=ペンバー written on top of the English letters (which is known as furigana). Chibi Gohan 18:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Shonen?

Death Note = Shonen?

Yep. More serious fare than the typical slashfests, but Shonen nontheless. (If written from a different perspective, it would make a Seinin-worthy theme though.) --tjstrf Now on editor review! 02:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, regardless of the content, if it's in Shônen Jump, it's Shônen ;P Chibi Gohan 16:50, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


False Name?

How did Light kill the man on TV pretending to be L if he wrote the wrong name down? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.138.74.144 (talk • contribs) 18:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you're referring to the criminal whose name he heard but didn't see, because the man on TV had his proper name on the desk in front of him. Light killed him by writing down all the different variations on his name, although as per the How To Read rules revealed every volume, if a name is misspelled more than 4 times that person is freed from death by the Death Note, but Light apparently spelled it correctly the first time he wrote it, which is why he died. Long story short: The names of criminals that Light got from the TV were correct, and when he did guess at a name, he got it right the first time. Lucky guy, eh? Nique1287 22:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

He's talking about Lind L Tailor, the condemed criminal who was schedualed to die that day. He died because his name was really Lind L Tailor! Chibi Gohan 01:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the Article

First off, Nique1287, thank you for putting up that invisible note regarding the fan sites. I completely agree with what you said, and that no Death Note fan site deserves a place on Wikipedia... yet.

Second, about the trivia section. The Death Note article is quickly getting better and better each and everyday, and because of this, the trivia section should start becoming less and less there. If it were up to me, I'd remove all that trivia with no merging, but I want to see what you guys think about it, because some info does seem a little notable. SuperDT 03:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

'Twas no problem. The constant re-adding was getting annoying because it doesn't seem to fit the general guidelines as per WP:EL, though I admit that it makes room for very popular and extensive fansites, and there don't seem to be enough other sites that I could find in the History that could be used to put together a Fan Sites section. As for your suggestion, much of the trivia is just conjecture, like the reference to Madonna's music video, or unrelated to the plot, like the 108 and the meanings of the artist's and writer's name. Unless there's trivia that is related directly to Death Note that we can source and confirm, I agree with getting rid of it. Nique1287 14:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

We Need one of those Templatey Thingies

Due to the sheer number of Death Note-related articles on the market at the moment, there should be a template at the foot of each page linking to the other Death Note articles. At the moment, they include Death Note (obviously), Characters of Death Note, List of Death Note episodes, Rules of the Death Note and, bizarrely, Shinigami Eyes. Not to mention the individual episode articles. I'd do it myself, but I've no idea how to use those wiki-tables. Ppk01 19:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I made one, but I'm unsure if Death Note really needs it. Those episode pages seem very detailed and probably contain too much summary, which isn't really wikipedia policy. However, below's the template. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 00:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Death Note
v • d • e
Main Manga | DVD | Music | List of anime episodes | Characters | Plotline
Concepts Rules of the Death Note | Shinigami Eyes


The "episodes" part is gonna get ridiculous after a while...maybe just link to the episode list or use numbers?—ウルタプ 00:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, I only made it as per Ppk01's request. It's at Template:Death Note in any case. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 01:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I think a seperate table for the episodes (that can be hidden and shown using one of those 'hide' buttons in the corner) would be best. That way, it could only be included on the episode articles. Either that or remove the individual episodes from the template completely. --Ppk01 11:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Now it feels empty, so I'm not sure we need it yet. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 16:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I added the 'hide/show' feature for the individual episodes and shortented the length of the template. I think it looks better now and should be incorperated into all the Death Note articles soon. --(十八|talk) 20:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I took out the line breaks between some episodes. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 00:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

White Rabbit Press

As per Wikipedia:External links, I removed the link to White Rabbit Press. This edit was quickly reverted by Nique1287, who said:

“ That link has been there for quite some time, since long before you changed the message to "No More Links". It is also a useful resource for those who want the manga in Japanese outside of Japan. ”

While it is true that the website offers Death Note manga for sale, it is not a relevant link for an encyclopedia article. In particular, this link violates the sixth example on the links normally to be avoided list: "Links to bookstore sites". I am hereby formally requesting that this link be officially removed from the page. Thank you for your time. --Ppk01 22:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I removed it because your initial justification was not "As per WP:EL", but in fact "What did we say about No More Links", which was NOT justification for removal of that link since it had been there previously. Nique1287 00:09, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
But now it's cause of WP:EL, so we're at a consensus? --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 01:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Sure, since there's more than one person concerned about it and since it's been established now that it doesn't conform to WP:EL. As I said, it was only reverted earlier because of improper justification. I don't like seeing things happen for poor reasons on Wiki. Nique1287 01:16, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry about that. I'll try and be clearer in future. --Ppk01 20:54, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Death Note userbox

デス
ノート		 This user has a Death Note and writes in it constantly.
デス
ノート		 This user has a Death Note and uses Wikipedia to research names for it.
デス
ノート		 This user has a Death Note and writes in names of Wikipedia vandals.

Just thought I'd add this in here if anyone's interested; I just made it. --(十八|talk) 05:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Heh. May I make a suggestion? "This user has a Death Note and uses Wikipedia to research names for it." (or maybe "This user uses Wikipedia to research names for their Death Note"? You could write that sentence a number of ways, some of which might be an improvement). --Gwern (contribs) 16:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Lol that would be pretty funny. Good job Juhachi! SuperDT 18:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Or "This user has a Death Note and writes in names of Wikipedia vandals." I'd totally use that. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 21:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
I have created two more varients for your pleasure. Use as you wish. ;) --(十八|talk) 23:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Can't believe I missed the reply. Thanks for making it! --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 08:43, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Near(Nique1287's edit)

You reverted an edit that stated that near said, "I alone cannot surpass the first L." Well,

Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow.

Near says in Volume 12, a little before Light dies, that "I alone cannot surpass the first L. However, me and Mello together, can become even better than L!"

Spoilers end here.

I think that's what the user was trying to refer to. Otherwise, I agree that we don't really need the Kanji for Shinigami; that's kinda overdoing it =). SuperDT 20:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I seem to recall something like that, but I only have a bad scanslation of the later volumes (after volume 8 or so), and it's been a while since I read it, which explains why I didn't remember it. Silly me! ^^; Nique1287 21:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

It's ok, no worries. It really doesn't belong in the main article anyways, but rather it should be in the character and the plot articles.
Off-topic, but have you tried downloading the later volumes at www.mangadownload.net? They did a pretty good job with them, in my opinion.SuperDT 05:51, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm waiting to find a group that's done the whole series, because I have most of the volumes from MangaDownload, but I'd rather have one consistent translation than one that jumps between different translators. At this point, I'm probably better off buying the manga out currently and waiting for the later volumes (8 was just released, 9 is out January 2, 10 is due out March 6, and 11 is due on May 7, according to Amazon.ca, though no word yet on 12 or "13"). It's always nicer to have it in hardcopy anyway. Thanks, though. ^^ Nique1287 12:30, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

"Movie Version" points on the Characters Of page

Someone unregistered, at the IP 154.5.47.4, added a number of comments/subsections to the Characters of Death Note page regarding the changed sequence of events in the movies. I was wondering if anyone has seen the movie and can confirm, elaborate, and clean up these sections, because some of the points made are quite confusing. A few people have tried to clean up the spelling and grammar but some of it still doesn't quite make sense, to me at least. Thanks ahead of time! (I would try to help out on this more, but my knowledge of Japanese is very limited and the movie hasn't been completed by any of the fansubbers who've taken it on yet, so I'd probably end up making even more mistakes. ^^; ) Nique1287 12:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Split section?

Should the movies recive their own page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.40.224.179 (talk)

I don't think there's enough information on the movies to warrant them getting their own page. I mean, you COULD elaborate on the plot, the changes from the anime, and so on, but there just doesn't seem to be enough to make it worth splitting it up. A lot of the information that would go on there is already on other pages, such as the changes being on the Characters Of page. Good suggestion, but I don't think the movies are quite ready for it yet. Nique1287 15:21, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
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