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Note?

Shouldn't it be called a "death notepad"? Seems like a mistranslation to me. --132.68.41.57 10:57, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not a translation, it's the name of the manga given by the author (it's written in English originally). It might not be completely correct English, but I don't think we're going to change the name either way. --Mythril 12:53, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Mello is female

I don't mind this information, since it doesn't spoil the story as much as the info about who dies and whatnot. But does anyone have a source for this information? Or the number of the chapter where this is revealed? --Mythril 21:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean Rem? It was sort of a spoiler that Rem is a girl, but Mello is, first off, a guy, and second of all, they don't really make his gender a secret. --Eternal Trance 03:22, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

It's confirmed that Rem is female in ch 47. -Anonymous

Yeah, Mello's a male. But the fact that he likes to wear skin-tight leather sorta contradicts his image. >_> --Jinjo Ghost 23:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I suppose speedway bikers have an effeminate image using your reasoning. ^_^ Coder Keitaro 10:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Spoilers

This page has some spoilers above the spoiler line. Section 2.6 is named "Successors to L" and it appears in the table of contents well above the spoiler warning. Perhaps this should be fixed?

One is hard pressed to find much information in this article without seeing spoilers... I would suggest following the design of the Fullmetal Alchemist page instead; have basic character descriptions on the main page with a link to another article that explains the story of each character in more detail. One Alternate 04:10, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
In my opinion, any information about characters from the second arc such as those about Mello, Near and Mikami, should be considered spoilers, and removed.
Possibly... If more people agree, then do it. I do feel that since these characters are so important to the story, that it'd maybe be confusing not to at least mention them in the article about Death Note, in case people want to find out about them? Then again, I guess it may not be Wikipedia's job to inform about everything in a series... Actually, if those characters are to be removed, then all the info about minor characters should probably be removed too, leaving only the most important info. --Mythril 11:37, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Removed spoilers and spoiler characters. Information about them can still be found in Characters of Death Note. --Anonymous

Stub

I still think this is a stub. There isn't anything but two paragraphs and the rules. Hm, perhaps a picture could fix that ;)? Philip Nilsson 09:08, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

It needs some cleaning up. I think I'll do it when I have a bit more time on my hands, these days I've been swamped. Shingen 21:27, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
I think there's too much plot info... I think someone should cut down plot detail to a minimum. And it's hardly necessary to show the Shinigami rules in detail either, is it? I was thinking about removing that and do what I mentioned, but I thought I'd suggest it here first...--Mythril 10:23, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Since noone's protested, I'll cut away lots of plot info from this article the next time I feel I've got some free time to spare. --Mythril 21:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Finally took myself time to do this. Still think it's too much text though... Anyway, if anyone wants to add back spoiler info, I feel that adding it in an own section like I did with plot details may be better. --Mythril 21:31, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
wiki should back down to nobody. We have spoiler warnings, so put spoilers. - Malomeat 11:50, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

There is a website I have you can look up at

http://www.apparentlyappalled.com

  • And this has WHAT to do with Death Note? Shingen 21:27, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

IIRC it had some relevant information. No longer though. —Philip N.✉ 21:36, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Names

I was curious, does anyone think that Shidou (one of the Shinigami) might actually be an over-literal translation of the name Cid? Seeing as there's English names throughout the series. -Pandaman87 21:34, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Possible, but I don't know how to confirm this. --Mythril 20:12, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Anime

Removed the part about it being made into an anime until we can get a source on that. Something from a message board doesn't really count as a source, unless if there is a link which can be confirmed as being from the studio themselves. --Burbster 22:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

http://www.chuosha.co.jp/html/0605/0515_1.html The Deat Note part of the article confirms it. Kazuhara 17:39, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Rough Translation -- 202.156.6.54 08:15, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Death note, which has finished its serialisation in Shuueisha's Weekly Shounen Jump magazine, has had its adaptation to animation announced. It will be shown on Nihon TV, and its movie adapation will screen on 17 June. Related works are as below:
2 June - Movie Guidebook
4 July - Comic book 12 (final)
1 August - Novelisation
Some undisclosed plans are also currently being carried out

L acts kind of familiar

Is it just me or L kind of looks like Howard Hughes in his paranoid phase, sans beard and germ phobia. You know like Mr. Burns in that Simpsons episode where Burns starts a casino. His fingernails are long, and he dresses very loosely. Maybe he is based on somebody else... Anybody here to clarify.

I found an interview here (and I suppose there're quite a few more places to find it if you don't trust that one/don't like the format) that says a bit about how L was created, though it didn't reveal much about his model. --Eternal Trance 03:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

"very very inappropriate"

"The last episode, which was released on May 2006, is heavily criticized by fans because it is very very inappropriate and not up to the standard."

This is so subjective it reeks of fanboy. Someone please change this.

Removed it, also removed other unserious changes by the same user. --Mythril 20:39, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

What the heck? "Characters that die"?? Is that section entirely necessary? Not only is it a major spoiler, but rather indecent as well. Rexas 18:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

How To Use

Since there are quite a lot of Death Note rules (http://www.deathgod.org/main.php?x=info/dnterms), should there be a separate article with all the rules or should they be lumped together on this page? StrawHatLuffy 17:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I was hoping we'd get a separate page going for it. But I figured that if we just kept the basic rules, we could leave it on the main page like seems to have been the case. If someone would like to take the time to do so, then it should be fine. --Trance 23:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Done. Rules of the Death Note StrawHatLuffy 15:44, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
I noticed and went ahead and somewhat cleaned up the Fake Rules section. >.> Nice job with it, though. --Trance 04:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Removal of Nonsensical Material

I removed the line "In short, a super hot guy who just happens to be brilliant." from the short bio of Light on the main page and replaced it with something more suitable. Wikipedia is not a toy to descibe how attractive people are. Espically when it has no relevance to the brunt of the subject. 3:00, 1 July 2006 (US Central)

What Prelude to Death Note?

I noticed a mention about this in the Unwritten Rules section. I think there should a bit more information on this. When/where was it published? What else was said in it? --Trance 18:54, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

The prelude would refer to Death Note pilot chapter that is to be included with "How To Read Volume 13" StrawHatLuffy 12:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Death Note and Marysueism

In the two years of publishing of Death Note, nobody seems to have noted the fact that both Light Yagami and L are Mary Sue characters. They share a lot of common characteristics to this kind of character. --Loborojo

So you're saying that Light and L are basically perfect people, who use their flaws to become all the more popular??? IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK??? HUH??? HUH??!! Yeah, I agree with you =) If you want to add that, don't be afraid to! SuperDT 05:27, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S. You know I was just kidding with the "IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK??? HUH??? HUH??!!" part, right? Good, cause some people get really butt-hurt about that ^_^

Basically they share a lot of common characteristics with Mary Sues. I tested Light with the *The Universal Mary-Sue Litmus Test, and this character scored 158. Above 50 is enough for a character to be considered a definitive Mary Sue. The marysueism in DN is particularly annoying to me, and I can't understand why DN is praised so much when the script is so focused in portraying the characters in an indulgent way. --Loborojo

I fail to see a need to include this until there is official criticism of the series mentioning it. This would go under original research as of now, eh? That's not what Wikipedia is for. It's not a critique and rating system; it's here to provide information about the series. --Trance 00:13, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, Trance does have a point. SuperDT 08:01, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

If it's about objectiveness, why is the Death Note article filled with all the subjective positive point of view found in most animanga articles? I don't see how Light is "An intelligent young man who picked up the Death Note" and L has "his great powers of deduction and insight" when it's the author who is manipulating every other character around to make the scenario as favorable as possible for the protagonists. --Loborojo

Those descriptions are, if I'm not mistaken, taken from the Shonen Jump descriptions of the characters. You know how in the magazine here they describe, say, the Naruto characters before beginning a chapter. They'll give a short blurb describing them and what not. But if that's not the case with these descriptions, oh well. You can edit out all the good adjectives if you want, but I can't say they're exactly detracting from the article itself. Regardless of whether or not you think Light himself is clever, that's how he's supposed to look. From the back of the first volume of the manga: "Light is an ace student with great prospects..." Aka, intelligent? I don't really think it matters either way. If you honestly think the article has lost its objectivity, go right ahead and edit it to be more objective. --Trance 03:44, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I checked the test and from what I see...at this rate everyone is Mary Sue. Some points that was made was such that the points should go down instead of up from what I see. But when it comes to the the Wikipedia article, it should be as neutral as possible but with the Shonen Jump info, it should be fine. And besides, "An intelligent young man who picked up the Death Note" only equals to a character who is smart and picked up the notebook. "His great powers of deduction and insight." Is his powers bad as such that he have no clue who is Kira? I understand what you mean but from what I see, it is neutral. - GatoGirl 12345 (No Account)


Yes, I see a lost notebook, I pick it up therefore I AM INTELLIGENT. Sure. We never see Light actually STUDYING, but we've to believe he's #1 just because the script writer says so. We see FBI agents in Japan even though they're not supposed to be there, but we've to believe it because the script writer says so. An so on. Please people...

OK, let's consider a description with commercial purpose neutral. Let's go to the Coca Cola article and write it's the best drink ever invented and Polar bears love it... Hey it's NEUTRAL! I understand what you mean but from what I see, it is NOT neutral Loborojo

Since Ohba made him into an intelligent guy, we can put it as the truth. Anyone else who says he is intelligent and that his intelligence was never in the story, that wouldn't be neutral. Light being an adorably cute guy, that isn't really neautral. He is suppose to be cute and popular for the whole ladies and manipulation part of it but it was never written down that he was as lovable as a bear. We did see him studying...for one on the video camera arc, and the reason why we saw his teacher was so that we can see him being pressured to be at the top spot again. It was also clearly written that L and Light both got into Toudo University (I think the first part is spelt wrong) with a perfect score...(and that was their version of The University of Tokyo since it was such a top college.) If the author told us that he is an intelligent young man, he is an intelligent young man. If the author told us he was popular, he is. And for the former and the latter, Ohba told and Obata showed. For SJ, a fan, or an anime director telling us that, it wouldn't be entirely the truth...would it.

"Yes, I see a lost notebook, I pick it up therefore I AM INTELLIGENT." - Loborojo

Nope, that wasn't what the writer meant. It ment that he is (1)intelligent and (2)he picked up a notebook. But it would be best to rearrange some of the words anyways if you still think it isn't neutral. What I am saying is if it is considered as a truth (that we get it from the story), it shouldn't be a bias favoring Light. - GatoGirl 12345

Any western novel similar to Death Note?

Anyone knows?

I want to know if Death Note is original creation, or under influence of western suspense novel. 218.111.216.176 14:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

There was a Japanese story that was similar to DN that was created earlier. The idea, as the author said, isn't that new. - GatoGirl 12345 (No Account)

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