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Contents 1 Items from before split 1.1 Dead Man's Hand 1.2 Aces & Eights / Eights & Aces 1.3 Made-up stuff 2 Items from after split 2.1 Split into Talk:List of slang names for poker hands and Talk:Dead man's hand 2.2 Seven-card hands? 2.3 Confusing Intro

[edit] Items from before split

[edit] Dead Man's Hand

• According to http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_307.html, the fifth card was the two of spades.
• According to http://www.rgpfaq.com/dead-mans-hand.html (reg.gambling.poker faq), no-one agrees what it was, but it gives 4 possibilities, none of which are the two of spades, perhaps this should be mentioned on the page?

The above two references are wrong and out of date. There is no credible contemporary source that mentions the cards held by Hickok. If you know of one, please let me know. As a matter of fact, please quote your earliest cite for what cards he was holding, and what is your earliest cite for his cards being called a "dead man's hand." This is a 20th century invention.

I need to check Rosa(his biographer) tomorrow, but I'll be changing this and other things in the next few days unless you have info that would convince me otherwise. Samclem 19:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

In the role playing game Deadlands and its sister CCG Doomtown, the dead man's hand is the Black Aces & Eights with the Jack of Diomand

[edit] Aces & Eights / Eights & Aces

For anyone who cared to pay attention, it was obvious that "eight and aces" was a typo. "Eights and Aces" is correct. "Aces and Eights" is also valid. [[User:Rex071404|Rex071404 ]] 00:12, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Made-up stuff

[The contents of this section moved "back" to Talk:List of slang names for poker hands, after coming to this title in a Talk-page-only move; it concerns List of slang names for poker hands, but not Dead man's hand. --Jerzy(t) 03:18, 2005 Jan 5 (UTC)]

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[edit] Items from after split

[edit] Split into Talk:List of slang names for poker hands and Talk:Dead man's hand

Upon the creation of Dead man's hand as an article, rather than a redirect to this talk page's article, Talk:Dead man's hand was "given custody of" the history of the talk page that had been built up under the title Talk:List of slang names for poker hands (since 2 of the 3 talk edits): that is to say, Talk:List of slang names for poker hands was renamed Talk:Dead man's hand.

At that time, the section #Made-up stuff was removed from here and moved (back) to Talk:List of slang names for poker hands and Talk:Dead man's hand (since it concerns what stayed on List of slang names for poker hands.
--Jerzy(t) 03:18, 2005 Jan 5 (UTC)

[edit] Seven-card hands?

Is the seven-card hand discussion really necessary? It's unnecessarily confusing, not particularly interesting in my opinion, and I'm not a fan of paragraph-long parentheticals. Also, I'm not sure about the applicability - Hickok wasn't playing a seven-card game when he drew aces and eights. lesmana 07:36, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

         I would agree with this, it seems pointless and confusing to me Wardenusa 04:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Confusing Intro

"The term "dead man's hand" certainly predates the Hickok connection which only occurred in the mid-1920's." I think that this is saying that nobody ever applied to term "dead man's hand" to the Hickok situation/cards, something like that. But it reads as if it might be saying Hickok was only killed in the mid-20s, which (of course) isn't true. Since this is the introductory paragraph, I think somebody should edit it. (I don't want to edit it myself because, honestly, I'm not sure what it's meant to mean.)