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Contents 1 re: 80stvthemes.com 2 style on the "our" 2.1 Days of Our Lives → Days of our Lives 3 POV dilemma 4 Sentence 5 John and Marlena as a supercouple in the '80s 6 TV-14 SUCKS, guys! 7 Cross or "Deceased" 8 Split? 9 Eugene Bradford 10 list 11 Coming and Going Castmembers 12 Spelling and Grammar 13 Revised the ratings section that needed cleanup 14 Kurt McKinney 15 Capitalisation in article title 16 Ratings history? 17 Lisa? 18 John Black, since 1986? 19 TEK 20 Hawk 21 Joy Bisco on contract?

[edit] re: 80stvthemes.com

I visited the site and could not find the theme to "The Cruise of Deception" so I took off the reference and link to it.

Gordon

Re: The Cruise of Deception There are some oddities in the summary of it. The Cruise of Deception happened over the summer of 1990 (though perhaps it could be said to have begun earlier with the introduction of the Toscanos.) That said, the way the summary is written it cuts abruptly from the "Cruise of Deception" story to the Princess Gina story (citing the unpopularity of the Princess Gina story. These two stories have no connection and are separated by a decade of time as the Hope returns as Princess Gina story happened in the 2000s (and claimed that Hope had been kidnapped by the DiMeras) and the Cruise of Deception had Hope "killed" by Ernesto Toscano (and the Cruise of Deception is actually a very fondly remembered story in Days history and it had good ratings when it was playing. The Princess Gina story should be shifted into the 2000s and/or the James Reilly era and not listed as part of the Cruise of Deception.

ohmigod. miscellania. but then again that's the beauty of it all eh?

My wife points out that Deidre Hall has a real twin sister (Andrea Hall) who played Marlena's evil twin and Hattie Adams.

Yeah, that's true. I don't know when this was posted, but I'm sure it was before someone added her name. She goes by Andrea Hall Gengler now, so I've edited it to say that much. Mike H 15:42, Jul 17, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] style on the "our"

FYI, the correct style for the title of DOOL is lower case on the "of" and the "our", that is "Days of our Lives". I noticed that the Wikipedia entry has a cap O on our.

It's not "correct style", rather, how the show chooses to accentuate the fact that it's our LIVES and not OUR LIVES. Grammatically, however, Days of Our Lives would be correct and is used this way in many publications. Mike H 07:39, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)

How does the show spell it's name in it's publicity? If it is with a lower case 'o' then, irrespective of grammar or tv guides, we show use the show's own spelling [[User:Dmn|Dmn / Դմն ]] 16:50, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It's already been referenced lots of places with this title. If you're willing to change every instance, then you go ahead and move it. Mike H 20:10, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

But the title they use is "Days of our Lives", right? [[User:Dmn|Dmn / Դմն ]] 18:36, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It varies. I've noticed that the lower case o was not used when using the name in an article on the show...I think it's more of a semantics question than anything else. For example, in the beginning, the show did not make a differentiation in capitalization on the title card: from 1965 to 1972, it simply said "DAYS OF OUR LIVES". [1] So, again, as I said, if you want the page moved, go ahead and move it, but be prepared to correct all the links.

I'm also not sure what you mean by 'they'. Do you mean the show? Then we should change As the World Turns to AS THE WORLD TURNS, then, because the title card overrules all other usage. Mike H 20:59, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

I apologize for being combative earlier. I've found that the O is capitalized in the book All My Afternoons, written by Annie Gilbert, as well as in Soap Opera Digest (before the magazine went to ALL CAPITALS for the shows' names) and in the Days of Our Lives Family Album, written by Lorraine Zenka but published with help by both the Corday estate and NBC. Mike H 22:06, Jan 7, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Days of Our Lives → Days of our Lives

About two years ago, Days of our Lives was redirected to Days of Our Lives. Many people have brought up that since the title card shows a lower case letter on the "our", that it should be named as such in the article. After at first arguing about it and giving evidence otherwise, I feel that the issue is just too trivial to fight. I think the article should be moved because there seems to be quite enough consensus on the talk page for it to be moved. I tried moving it myself but couldn't. Mike H 20:06, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)

• Oppose: It's perfectly okay where it is. There are scores of internal links, too, and none are through a redirect except on this page, at User talk:Zoe and at Talk:Days of Our Lives. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 16:08, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
• Support. "our" is the case on the official NBC site. Internal links irrelevant (unless more than 500, so they can't be displayed). I'm more than willing to help update the links. Niteowlneils 17:58, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

PS "Everything" links there because I recently updated all (well, most, anyway) soap opera links to avoid redir messages--check my contribs. Niteowlneils 18:03, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• • Update the links? What's wrong with simply keeping them, and using the redirect like it's meant to be used? --SPUI 00:57, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
• Support. If there's consensus on the talk page then let it be done - the only reason it can't be automatically moved is technical so let's not stand in the way of that. Timrollpickering 15:28, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

When all else fails, wouldn't it be best to go by what the network does? The network specifically made the request of sites like soapcentral.com and tvtome.com (turned tv.com) to refer to the show as Days of our Lives because that is the title they have always used. It is a minor thing, but it's like Law & Order v. Law and Order. The second is grammatically correct, but the first is the actual title. D'Amico 20:58, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] POV dilemma

I think it should be noted that DAYS is pretty much de facto one of the soaps with the weirdest plot elements, but it should be mentioned in a fairly NPOV manner that the show pretty much went from traditional story to "weird" in the 1980s with Stefano DiMera and his schemes, and Calliope and her wacky polka-dot clothes and the dog wedding. Mike H 06:42, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Sentence

In 2004, the New Salem volcano erupted. There were no casualties though. :)

I'm moving this here until someone can build on it and make it...encyclopedic, though. :) Mike H 18:34, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] John and Marlena as a supercouple in the '80s

I reverted the recent edits for one simple reason: John Black was not a character on the show until the 1990s. Roman and Marlena would be a supercouple, but only if it's prefaced with an acknowledgement that Wayne Northrop also played the role. Plus, Marlena "died" in 1987, and then Roman was put in a coupling with Diana. Mike H 08:46, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] TV-14 SUCKS, guys!

If it's shown on PBS, it'll get TV-Y7. -- 24.159.186.88

It'll only get a TV-Y7 rating if 99% of the stuff is cut out. Mike H 01:36, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)

You mean it'll only get a TV-Y if 99% of the stuff is cut out. Usually shows that are normally rated TV-14 or TV-MA get TV-Y7 the moment they premiere on PBS. -- 24.159.186.88

I don't even know why we're having this discussion. Why would it be on PBS anyway? Are you that same kid who had a lot of his stuff placed on VFD because they were made-up TV shows? Mike H 20:40, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)

And why are you accusing me? -- Ryan F

Also, FYI, what the (censored) does VFD stand for? -- 24.159.186.88

[edit] Cross or "Deceased"

There has been a slight revert skirmish with the crucifix and deceased. I edited away this crucifix, and it was reverted before there was a de-re-vert-ish-li-ness-ness. Try and work that out!

Seriously, though, I do understand why it was used, and wish to outline my case for replacing it with the word "deceased". In German, use of a cross is standard style, and I believe this to be the case with the German wikipedia. It is, however, frankly unprecedented in English in my view. Not only have I never seen it, it is religiously partisan. Should Dalai Lamas and Saudi Kings have the crucifix for deceased? It is by definition POV: it is religiously partisan. Whilst I do not try and have it ground out of the German wikipedia, the case is different here. Let's keep religion out of everything here.

Thanks, sorry for the sort of cheeky unilateral edit. Zhengfu

[edit] Split?

There's a lot of new material which covers stories from the 80's and 90's. Do you think we should split this up into separate categories? It seems to have worked for the As the World Turns page. --JamesB3 12:18, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

It also needs to be cleaned up, what with a POV check and the removal of those silly "enter" and "exit" headings. Mike H (Talking is hot) 21:25, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

I can go through and try to edit some of this. I don't know if the soaps section needs another POV or another Peer Review that no one participates in. --JamesB3 02:02, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

OK, I made a lot of changes. It's still not perfect, but I think it's okay now. Tell me what you think. --JamesB3 06:38, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Eugene Bradford

Would some please add information on John de Lancie's character Eugene Bradford? My babysitter watched this show when I was growing up, and his time travel escapades are the only thing that grabbed my attention. Did Calliope go with him? Didn't they show up from time to time for years after? --Chris Griswold 09:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] list

Maybe someone has an idea as to what to do with this: List of Days Of Our Lives Characters. --Fang Aili ^talk 20:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Coming and Going Castmembers

Somebody keeps removing Missy Reeves from Current Castmembers in favor of her being in Coming and Going castmembers 'cause she's leaving in September.

She's both. She's currently under contract with the show and is currently seen on the show in a contract capacity, ergo she's still a contract player. She doesn't stop being one just because she soon won't be.

And why is Jensen Ackles included as a coming and going cast member? He's neither coming or going, he's on some WB show now.

[edit] Spelling and Grammar

Both are poor in this article. Irrelevant words are thrown in at certain places. Sentences abruptly end without punctuation. I think this article needs both major reconstructive editing and a code comment at the top to warn people of what they may get themselves into.

[edit] Revised the ratings section that needed cleanup

I revised the ratings section. I took out a lot of the information that I think cluttered up the article and made it confusing. Most of it were the specifics on time-slots and so on. I don't really think it is necessary to know in order to understand the ratings game between Days and other soaps. Anyways, I took the cleanup tag off of it but I haven't checked the cleanup list to see if its on there. --Shiaobundan 04:43, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kurt McKinney

The star of the 1980s movie No Retreat, No Surrender is currently in this show. The IMDB do not loist him as being in iot but he is. He plays the character who just got married, but the lady he married ex-husband has just turned up after faking his death (as you may be able to tell, I do not watch this show, the first time I saw it was yesterday and I reconised the actor), could any fans of this show please tell me the name of the Character Kurt is playing? Thank you. 74.65.39.59 17:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

With the description you've given, you're thinking of the Frankie Brady character, who is played by Billy Warlock, not Kurt McKinney. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 02:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Intresting. I just saw the show and though it was McKinney (being a big fan of the No Retreat .. movie). They do look alike. 74.65.39.59 11:13, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

McKinney was actually on "General Hospital" as the first Ned the show Warlock was on inbetween DAYS stints. McKinney has made some appearances on "Guiding Light" in the past year.

[edit] Capitalisation in article title

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization) states "In general, titles of books, films, and other works are also capitalized, except for articles (a, and, the) and prepositions and conjunctions shorter than five letters (e.g., to, from, and)." I don't think it's wise to suppose that the show's producers believed not capitalising the word "our" in the title was absolutely necessary. It's just as likely that the show's production company's manual of style suggests against capitalisation of pronouns in titles, in which case that's "correct" for them; ours doesn't, which is thus "correct" for us. The one thing we know for certain is what standard Wikipedia style (and what is stipulated in most major manuals of style) is, which is why I think it's best and safest to use it. Extraordinary Machine 12:38, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's wise to suppose that the show's producers believed not capitalising the word "our" in the title was absolutely necessary. It's just as likely that the show's production company's manual of style suggests against capitalisation of pronouns in titles, in which case that's "correct" for them; ours doesn't, which is thus "correct" for us.

I don't think that's it at all, really. I think the reason why "our" is not capitalized is to place more emphasis on "Lives," and not "Our Lives." Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 01:42, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ratings history?

Is there a reason we need a list of ratings from years' past on the page? Currently, the 1996-1997 Season ratings are on the page.

I think a well-written paragraph that mentioned high and low points would suffice, and perhaps the most recent ratings results (not from ten years ago). Twice I've deleted ratings lists that were more than a decade old and had no real context, but they have been added back in.

Can we make a decision on listing/not listing ratings results for all the soaps? I don't see why we need to show the data for all the soaps, but if the results are somehow notable (DOOL's best week ever, worst week ever, etc.), I think it makes sense to say how DOOL did. Doc502 21:11, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lisa?

Who the heck is Lisa? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blakebs (talk • contribs) 05:52, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

Lisa is a waitress at the Brady Pub, who has been there since its opening in 1992. She is an off-and-on character who isn't seen that often, and hasn't had a story of her own. At first I was skeptical about keeping her on the list, but I think I'd keep her. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 07:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John Black, since 1986?

I've corrected this twice and it has been reverted twice by some anonymous IP. Drake Hogestyn has not played the character of John Black since 1986. It should be noted that for five years, he played Roman Brady, because it leads a casual reader to believe that the John Black character has been on since 1986, which is not true. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 03:26, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TEK

In the comings and goings section "Tek Kramer" should be "TEK" as it stands for "Thomas Edward Kramer" It makes no sense to have "TEK Kramer"

While this is old I just have to say that he went by the name Tek so Tek Kramer is perfectly fine to have put Tek Kramer at the time. Jcar03 21:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hawk

Hi, I'm not one of the regular Days of Our Lives editors, so could use some help. Actor Austin Miller, who evidently played the character "Hawk" in the 2001-2002 season, is now gaining some notoriety as a contestant on the "Grease: You're the One that I Want!" competition. I'd like to link to the DOOY articles, but I can't seem to find anywhere that he's mentioned. Is there a list anywhere, or was his part too small to warrant inclusion on Wikipedia? --Elonka 06:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Its a nice bit of trivia. He was only on for about 20 episodes over the course of year though. 131.156.240.89 04:59, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Joy Bisco on contract?

Not so much that I'm doubting it, but I can't seem to find any official or truly valid resources that list her as being on-contract with the show -- it's only on some non-official webpages, and seems to have fireballed from there. Does anyone know of an official or sanctioned resource that advises of her status? When she was cast, it was stated at the time to be recurring. D'Amico 06:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, soaps.com got in touch with Bisco's agent and she signed a six month contract with the show at this time. Jcar03 21:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)