Talk:Dawood Ibrahim

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Contents 1 This article is POV 2 POV tag- Voting 2.1 In favor of the POV tag 2.2 Not in favor 2.3 Couldn't Care Less 3 Hajji Mastana 4 links with mqm

[edit] This article is POV

I have no sympathy for Ibrahim or for that matter muslims in general. However this article is definitely POV. Say things like "the son of a legend married the daughter of a Gunda" or "he will not attend the reception in Dubai due to the "small matter" of being declared an international terrorist by the US" are completely unnecessary POV sentences. An encyclopedia states facts. It does not make snide remarks or use epithets like Gunda. BTW I have no problem with calling Ibrahim a terrorist since I consider this an established fact just as Osama is a terrorist. However the rest of the article bashes Ibrahim unnecessarily. Just state the facts as succintly as possible. The whole section on the marriage is just filled with garbage and is generally peripheral to everything else

[edit] POV tag- Voting

User:Freestylefrappe claims this article to be baised. The world knows that Dawood Ibrahim runs the biggest illegal empire in the world. Calling him a Mafia don is not a POV, its a fact. --IncMan 04:57, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

• The irony of someone who's obviously emotionally biased in regards to the article's content accusing another of bias is, hopefully, not lost on the crowd. More to the point, the commonly-held format in any and all publications of any repute is to use terms such as "accused of" and "allegedly" until a criminal has been tried and convicted in a court of law. Regardless of how obvious it may be that Dawood Ibrahim has committed these acts, it cannot be stated that he has because it has not yet been proven. By all means, if you can prove he's guilty, then you should be bringing your evidence to the attention of the Indian police, not arguing about it on Wikipedia. In the meantime, please adhere to publishing common sense. Gila m0bster 04:38, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and while we're at it, this thing needs proper citing format. I don't know what parts of the article are citing what outside links. Gila m0bster 04:42, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In favor of the POV tag

• Innocent until proven guilty. I feel that if the phrasing is changed to "allegedly" or "is generally thought to be responsible for" or "is wanted on charges of..." would be more neutral. The way it is now...it just doesnt seem NPOV. freestylefrappe 20:17, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

The fact that Ibrahim is a underworld don is widely accepted. Problem is that, Dawood Ibrahim has successfully foiled all Indian attempts to catch him. Osama has not yet been proven guilty, does that mean he's innocent? --IncMan 20:23, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

Osama admitted his role in 9/11 and previous attacks...as far as I can tell from the Dawood Ibrahim page he still maintains his innocence, or at the very least has yet to go out and admit he is respoinsible. This is the major difference. freestylefrappe 20:08, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

Then why doesn't he surrender himself and come up with evidences proving his innocence? 1000s of people have testified against him. If Dawood Ibrahim was innocent he would have faced the charges against him instead of hiding in Pakistan and UAE. Mumbai Police has never got a chance to put up a case against him because Pakistan refuses to extradite him to India. Why? thats anyone's guess. In such a scenario, I regard a person guilty until proven innocent. By the way, Osama praised the 9/11 attacks but never admitted his role in them. --IncMan 06:24, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Osama bin laden, Teleban and Lashkar i taibba are not terrorists or terrorist organizations. they are terrorists only for those who see them as a threat to 'their own personal' interests. unfortunately for the world, they are the ones who control the media and have somewhat successfully brainwashed the public into believing that OBL, teleban and mujahideen are infact violent thugs. but in general, muslims all over the world support jehadi politics if not their tactics. this article is definately biased. OBL and mujahideen were considered heros 20 years back, they r considered terrorists now, who know what they would be after another 20 years? --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.252.96.16 (talk • contribs) 00:15, 25 July 2005.

Heros don't fight like cowards. Terrorising innocent people is a coward act. By the way, this article is on Dawood Ibrahim and his underworld/illegal business, not on so-called Jehadis. --IncMan 06:24, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Not in favor

• --IncMan 04:57, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

• Hitler, Stalin, Osama all were not convicted of any crime. If there should be a NPOV tag in front of this article there should be one in those articles also. This is utter nonsense. --DuKot 15:50, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

• I agree that dawood is a terrorist of the worst kind because he finances terrorism against innocent people, while he lives a luxurious life. i dont care what his philosphy is, but drug dealing, prostitution and killing innocents isnt sanctioned by ISLAM the last time i checked. BTW Drugs are how he earns his cash, if the prophet were alive today he would definitely condemn this man. Funny how a CROOK has gained the cloak of respectability by putting on the cloak of radical islam.

[edit] Couldn't Care Less

• The article needs a lot more improvement before this topic is even discussed. There needs to more information about his past, how he came to be, how far was his reach, how much power he still holds, and most of all: what the authorities say about him and how they are trying to catch him! And someone please explain to me why the second paragraph in background has 'according to United States'?? Since when did they become the leading authority on him?

hydkat 20:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hajji Mastana

Dudes! How come there absolutely no mention of Hajji Mastana?? For pity's sake if you are going to give a history of the man atleast give a correct account about it! They are tons of stuff written about this guy.

hydkat 14:12, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

dawood ibrahim most dreaded don is under pakistans protection what can united states do about it???.U.S.never been clear about its foreign policy .which ever faith man follows it is wrong if one smuggles drugs, arms ,kills people .definately he will be punished on earth or after death. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.64.130.129 (talk • contribs) 16:44, 11 March 2006.

Now im not doubting that Dawood Ibrahim is an extemely controversial figure. However, the article needs to be extensively revised. I'm pretty sure someone has done a copy paste job from an Indian newspaper on the latter section of the article. The latter part should be removed until someone who is knowledgble on the matter will write it in an unbiased manner. Sandbreak 04:04, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] links with mqm

no one has mentioned about dawoods links with MQM