Talk:David Stove

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It would be very helpful if the article presented appropriate criticism of Stove's position.

I also dispute the point of view of this article. I ran by Stove's views in The Rationlaity of Induction by those interested in such matters. It is a terrible argument. He is "confused indeed" said one. David Stove simply is not a good philospher.

I'd like to see a little more arguments, gentlemen. Here ...

I DISPUTE THE POINT OF VIEW OF THIS ARTICLE FOR SCOTT CAMPBELL IS A FOLLOWER OF DAVID STOVE AND THE BIAS STILL SHOWS : "witty attacks...etc"

... and here. --84.146.40.95 01:36, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

1 Recent edits
2 Death
3 NPOV?
4 NPOV editing
5 ...NPOV editing?
6 ...NPOV editing??

[edit] Recent edits

In recently going through and trying to clean up the POV of the older entry, I believe there are several statements, which seem to be the original author's interpretations and not Stove's. For example:

"What he calls the 'Cave Men' theory - a view that T. H. Huxley often resorted to - says that while the "Darwinian struggle" no longer occurs in extant human populations it did so amongst cave-men"

If the statement about Huxley is not part of Stove's argument then it should, it seems to me, have some citation to document that it is correctly attributed to Huxley.

I did not add a section of criticisms of Stove's view, but I agree with the comments at the top of this page that this entry should have such a section, as do most other entries about philosophers.--Calamus 2355 EDT, 31 July 2006

[edit] Death

This article implies Stove died of cancer. However I have been told by a reliable source that his death was due to suicide. Does anyone know the full story? -- FP 02:41, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

I've got the full story and added to the article. -- FP 03:02, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

The addition contained one error, which I (who am David Stove's son) have taken the liberty of correcting. My mother did not predecease Dad; although she had a massive stroke less than a year before Dad's death, she actually survived him by seven years. -- User:Respighi (a.k.a. R. J. Stove), 14:06, May 6, 2006

[edit] NPOV?

Could this entry possibly be any more starry-eyed and adoring?

"...easily the wittiest philosopher of all time..." "...witty and devastating..." "...a semi-mythical status in philosophy of science circles..." "...Stove mercilessly and hilariously exposed the methods by which Popper, Kuhn, Lakatos and Feyeraband managed to make their philosophies seem respectable..." "...What made Stove a great thinker..." "...brilliantly original argument..."

I mean come on. Can comeone clean this drool up so it's a little more in line with the NPOV policy?

[edit] NPOV editing

I've edited the text to make it more netural. The anonymous commentator above might like to read it again.

Scott Campbell.

There's no doubt that Stove could be hilarious. The first part of "Four Modern Irrationalists" is a complete hoot. It reminds me a bit of the monologues of Australian comedian Paul Hogan. I actually disagree with Stove about almost everything, but I've never read anything by him that is not instantly engaging, whether delightful or infuriating.

[edit] ...NPOV editing?

I don't know anything about David Stove except what I read in this wikipedia article., but if this is what the "more neutral" version of the article looks like I'd be terrified to see what the previous version was like. It's obviously a good thing for the article to present Mr. Stove's views, at the article as it stands is laudibly comprehensive in that respect. But this is wikipedia, so it needs to be written as [i]descriptions[/i] of Mr. Stove's views, whereas this is just relentless advocacy for Mr. Stove's views. --awk